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Re: Let's Read: Warrior Cats Series

Postby MockSun » Sun Jan 25, 2015 2:08 pm

Ravenpaw, Ravenpaw. He could've been a really good character, inside the clan or out, if only they hadn't thrown him away before he played any role besides proving Tigerclaw's evil (because it wasn't obvious enough). Heck, in TNP, they had a perfect opportunity to bring him back to ThunderClan when the clans had just started travelling to their new territory and stopped at Barley's barn. But nope, no Ravenpaw for you.
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Re: Let's Read: Warrior Cats Series

Postby sweet tooth » Sun Jan 25, 2015 2:12 pm

MockSun wrote:Ravenpaw, Ravenpaw. He could've been a really good character, inside the clan or out, if only they hadn't thrown him away before he played any role besides proving Tigerclaw's evil (because it wasn't obvious enough). Heck, in TNP, they had a perfect opportunity to bring him back to ThunderClan when the clans had just started traveling to their new territory and stopped at Barley's barn. But nope, no Ravenpaw for you.

Oh my god. That would be the perfect opportunity. Tigerclaw is dead and its now or never. In fact, he should of joined as soon as Tiger died.
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Re: Let's Read: Warrior Cats Series

Postby MockSun » Sun Jan 25, 2015 2:32 pm

;;Scar wrote:
MockSun wrote:Ravenpaw, Ravenpaw. He could've been a really good character, inside the clan or out, if only they hadn't thrown him away before he played any role besides proving Tigerclaw's evil (because it wasn't obvious enough). Heck, in TNP, they had a perfect opportunity to bring him back to ThunderClan when the clans had just started traveling to their new territory and stopped at Barley's barn. But nope, no Ravenpaw for you.

Oh my god. That would be the perfect opportunity. Tigerclaw is dead and its now or never. In fact, he should of joined as soon as Tiger died.


Glad I'm not the only one who feels that way. I wish that Ravenpaw played a bigger role in the books, honestly, he was one of my favorites when I was younger. I never understood why Firepaw didn't try to bring him back as soon as Tigerclaw was banished. (Or if he tried, I don't remember... Then again, I did accidently skip over Rising Storm, maybe he visited Ravenpaw then?)
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Re: Let's Read: Warrior Cats Series

Postby Arcaii » Sun Jan 25, 2015 2:33 pm

Chapters Twenty-Two and Twenty-Three

Firepaw notes that since the rain has stopped, he can smell the scents slowly returning, which doesn't make any sense whatsoever, because the rain would wash away those scents instead of just covering them momentarily. Tigerclaw even says in the previous chapter that the rain would cause problems for trackers, so I don't know what Erin Hunter was thinking here.

Firepaw also notes that his fur is so wet that it clings to his body, and he's glad, because he doesn't want Graypaw to notice that it's bristling along his back. This also makes no sense. If it's too wet to rise, then he shouldn't be concerned about it.

The two cross over into ShadowClan territory without encountering anyone until they see Yellowfang. I'm not sure why there aren't any cats out keeping a eye out for the inevitable ThunderClan patrol, but whatever. Yellowfang says that she could smell that one of the ShadowClan cats, Clawface (sounds like a Bond villain), near the nursery. So why didn't anyone else notice that scent? ShadowClan isn't exactly famous for smelling subtly - they're specifically described as having a foul stench. The fact that only she noticed is total bull.

What's also bull is Brokenstar sending out apprentices as young as three moons old, and making them warriors at five moons. I find it amusing that Bluestar could blatantly order to speed up the process of making apprentices warriors and potentially send them out too young and that's just fine, but what's important here is the fact that it's not considered obvious yet.

Let's say a cat becomes a warrior at around a year old. An apprentice is six moons old at the youngest. Here are two images of a six month old and a year old cat, respectively.

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Now here are two images of a three month old and a five month old cat, also respectively:

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If you'll notice, the two bottom cats look vastly different in size and appearance than the two top cats. The five month old kitten doesn't even look that similar to the six month old kitten, and all that's separating them is 3 weeks.

Brokenstar has been a leader for at least two months, likely more. It's said on the wiki that he immediately makes a kit an apprentice, even though they're too young, almost right after he comes home from the Moonstone. This means that he's gone to at least a couple of Gatherings with several tiny, very young-looking cats, and no one has either noticed or said anything about it.

Apparently every single cat in the forest is a complete moron.

Why am I surprised.

Yellowfang tells the story of how she got exiled from the Clan - Brokenstar killed two kittens, and when he has her examining them, he tells the mother that it was the medicine cat that killed them. Yellowfang didn't even try to protest this, apparently, because "the leader's word is law" or some stupid crap like that. Hey, remember when Yellowfang had a supreme reputation amongst all four Clans, and thus would be extremely unlikely to harm anyone, because her job is the exact opposite of that? Erin Hunter doesn't.

A ThunderClan patrol arrives within ShadowClan territory, Firepaw hides with Yellowfang and Graypaw, and the three come up with a plan to gather assistance from both the elders of ShadowClan and the ThunderClan patrol. Firepaw goes to find the patrol, which consists of Whitestorm, Darkstripe, Mousefur, Runningwind, and Willowpelt, and convinces them to help him raid ShadowClan. Yellowfang shows up with 3 other cats, all elders.

A group of 11 cats assaulting a Clan of at least 13 named cats isn't too bad, but I recall several cats of different colors being mentioned in the previous battle, and none of those colors show up in the allegiance, so it's likely the number is higher. I can't help but think that they should at least send someone back for more cats to come in during the second part of the fight.

Also, I'd like to note that the only elder in the ShadowClan allegiance is Ashfur. Why aren't the other elders mentioned? He's one of the cats brought in by Yellowfang, so I don't know why the other ones aren't noted.

Whatever. The elders say that it's likely that the rest of ShadowClan would turn against Brokenstar if they see that he might be defeated, and the group heads off to attack.

Up next: Chapter Twenty-Four.
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Re: Let's Read: Warrior Cats Series

Postby Arcaii » Sun Jan 25, 2015 2:35 pm

And just because I'm nice, I'll finish up the book tonight. Expect a Final Thoughts right after Chapters Twenty-Four and Five.
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Re: Let's Read: Warrior Cats Series

Postby sweet tooth » Sun Jan 25, 2015 2:43 pm

Arcaii wrote:And just because I'm nice, I'll finish up the book tonight. Expect a Final Thoughts right after Chapters Twenty-Four and Five.

YAAYY MORE HORRIBLE BOOKS
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Re: Let's Read: Warrior Cats Series

Postby Arcaii » Sun Jan 25, 2015 4:20 pm

Chapters Twenty-Four and Twenty-Five

The fact that Brokenstar is so focused on his Clan being skilled fighters that they have to eat crowfood just to get by is absolutely astonishing. I'm amazed that the entire Clan isn't incredibly sick from that.

The ThunderClan cats hear fighting, and so they run forward to help. Wait, Yellowfang, I thought you were supposed to trick ShadowClan into a false sense of security, and then give a signal for the others to charge into camp. And for that matter, why weren't there any guards outside the camp? Why wasn't anyone other than the elders outside, waiting to catch sight of ThunderClan, so they could run home, warn Brokenstar, and give ShadowClan time to prepare for the assault?

Wait, what's that over there? Is that the script?

Well, anyway, the camp erupts in battle. I find it hilarious that all Firepaw has to do is bite a sensitive spot to send his attackers fleeing, which-

Hey, that reminds me. Have you noticed that the ThunderClan cats never just flee one at a time into the bushes, but every other Clan does? In the one battle we've seen where ThunderClan loses, Redtail had to give the order, but it's never mentioned that a warrior from another Clan says, "Retreat!". They just all run away separately, like rats.

How is this Clan possibly a threat when they aren't working as a single unit? How could they have overwhelmed WindClan if they're all underfed, all afraid, all choosing when to leave the fight without concern for their Clanmates? That doesn't seem like danger - that seems like Brokenstar has no idea what he's doing and that results in his Clan being uncoordinated. Probably why he's so easily defeated, I guess.

Speaking of, we see Yellowfang personally tussling with Brokenstar, and he boasts that she'll be easier to kill than his father. I don't know why Yellowfang ever thought that a separate patrol had killed Raggedstar, given that she's seen how evil Brokenstar is.

But get this - he doesn't just rant about how he killed Raggedstar, but he also killed the two kits!

RIGHT IN FRONT OF HIS ENTIRE CLAN, IN THE MIDST OF BATTLE, WITHOUT STOPPING TO MIND HIS SURROUNDINGS!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Oh, Brokenstar, how could I have ever seen you as a serious villain? You are one of the most laughable concepts within the Warriors series - and that's saying something, considering there's a talking badger and cats with magical powers after you're dead. You make incredibly stupid decisions, you boast and threaten at the most inopportune times, your Clan is weak and underfed, and you could easily be destroyed by your own medicine cat. How on earth were you ever a viable threat?

I'm sure everyone here already knows the answer. If you don't, it's Erin Hunter.

How else could a cat like this possibly succeed? How else could he defeat a larger Clan with his own being frail and scared out of their minds? How else would be get away with blaming the most popular medicine cat in all the Clans on two murders, and blaming another Clan on the murder of his father with no evidence to back it up? How else could he steal kittens and scare a force as powerful as RiverClan into giving up their territory?

If it wasn't for the Hunters demanding that he pose as a threat to ThunderClan, this cat would have failed and died within one month of his leadership. In fact, scratch that - he would have been chased out the second he came home and announced a four moon old kitten as an apprentice.

But I'll stop the "Reason You Suck" speech here. I'm sure the next book or so will showcase his pitiful nature for me.

Brokenstar is attacked by Firepaw, and the rest of ShadowClan begins to turn on him. Brokenstar is allowed to flee, but threatens Firepaw by saying, "This isn't over, apprentice". Why does Firepaw get all the negative attention from the villains? Why didn't Brokenstar just threaten Yellowfang, who would be more sensible of an opponent?

Oh, that's right. Firepaw's the hero of the story. Of course. How silly of me.

ShadowClan thanks ThunderClan for helping to chase away Brokenstar, and Whitestorm gives them one moon to hunt in peace. I assume this means that if they absolutely need to, they can hunt in ThunderClan's territory. I wasn't aware that Whitestorm had the authority to allow that, but whatever. Yellowfang decides to stay with ThunderClan, since they have no medicine cat now, and everyone goes home.

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So no one considered looking at Spottedleaf's claws before this? Really? Am I honestly supposed to believe that?

Bluestar appoints Yellowfang as the new medicine cat, and Firepaw announces that Ravenpaw was found dead. I'm amazed that he didn't mention this before, or even tell Whitestorm, and the fact that no one decides to go out and look for his body is stupid, but another case of script-reading.

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BUT YOU LITERALLY JUST-

YOU IMPLIED JUST NOW-

AND SPECKLEDTAIL AND LONGTAIL AND DARKSTRIPE-

I-

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOKAY. ALRIGHT. OKAY. I'M JUST GLAD THIS STUPID BOOK IS GOING TO BE OVER SOON.

So, Bluestar decides that it's time for Firepaw and Graypaw to become warriors. Little weird that they get named before their senior apprentices, but whatever. Firepaw becomes Fireheart, and Graypaw becomes Graystripe. They go off for their silent vigil that every new warrior undergoes the night they become a warrior, which can be inconvenient if the leader decides to graduate them before sundown. As they walk, Tigerclaw threatens Fireheart, and Fireheart starts to tell Bluestar, but she shooes him off.

Really, Fireheart? Now? Now is when you decide that it's best to tell Bluestar? Right in the middle of this very important ceremony?

Whatever. Fireheart sits down for his vigil, and stares at Tigerclaw, promising to himself that he's ready for the challenge of making such an enemy.

Stay tuned for the epilogue!
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Re: Let's Read: Warrior Cats Series

Postby sweet tooth » Sun Jan 25, 2015 4:28 pm

AHA
HA
HAAAAAA
ITS FINISHED
ONLY 300 MORE CRAPPY BOOKS TO GO
Ahaaaaaa

Sorry I'm done with large text I'm just so happy its done
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Re: Let's Read: Warrior Cats Series

Postby shortstop » Sun Jan 25, 2015 4:29 pm

Congrats Arcaii, you made me laugh so hard I snorted XD
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Re: Let's Read: Warrior Cats Series

Postby MockSun » Sun Jan 25, 2015 5:17 pm

You know... I never realized how bad of a villain Brokenstar was, but thinking about he really does make no sense.

Anyhow, congrats on finishing the first book. Looking forward to about 300 more. ^^

How did this series go on so long?
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