[Shaynn]

I'll be really sad to see Kiamaras stop. I also agree with the nursery thing, about having limited slots. You could even make it seasonal, like a season breeding and only a couple.

[Doodles]

Ok I was honestly holding my tongue but when your logged onto the computer and it's early; I really don't consider it a time in which I think but rather just do. I'll probably regret saying this as my ask or my inbox is probably going to get blown up with "Well I guess you hate kiamaras then don't you?" I have to disagree with Alva. For quiet a few reasons actually. For one I wanted to point out; the adopts aren't closing tomorrow. I mean honestly I don't think I can see artists making 150ish Kiamaras in just the ending months of 2013. I personally feel it will be around May or so before we actually see the ending five hundred. Which is what, about five or four months right? If people have been planning the births, and relationships for so long then I would assume they've already started a relationship? If not I don't see a point in saying people have been planning. Unless someone has initiated a relationship of some sort I don't see how the future is planned. Frankly unless you've tried to start something with the other owner (kiamara relationship wise), there was no real planning as the other owner might just plainly deny the relationship. Maybe you planned them out with your own kiamaras, or talked to someone and they agreed. 5 months or so, so start on your relationship. Not to sound rude but to me 4 months (the general wait time before a kiamara can have a baby) seems like a lot. Four months just doesn't seem to be 'rushing it' to me. Rushing it would be getting a kiamara pregnant, and then forcing babies in the next coming days. Now that is forcing babies/families. Everyone needs to keep in mind that really while the adopts are closing it's not right around the corner right now. Think of it like having a birthday in January; it's two months away. Would you consider that around the corner? My Birthday is on the 2nd of Jan, and you don't see me already saying. "OH Heyy guys my birthday is real soon you better start thinking about a present for me." For one that's rude, and second it's two months away. The closing im 99% won't be happening in 2013; that would just be too 'soon' to have 150ish pushed out. Personally I think that im sorry for having to burst anyones bubble if I did. Kiamaras are pixels; and I know it was mentioned somewhere as someone else said this too, just not sure where/who. A kiamara is never 'overdue'. They're not people where it's after nine months and then they need to have a baby. If you want to role-play a kiamara overdue thats fine, but a kiamara being 'overude' isn't a standing argument. Kiamaras can be 'weeks overdue' or simple give birth 'on time'. A kiamara could be pregnant for a month, or four months. Really depends on the owners; and if you have the potion that skips the period you have to wait. Half of you are complaining about both rushing families and wanting to your your baby and twin potions, or binkies. Well for one; waiting till January and then using a Binkie and a Twin Potion wouldn't be rushing it. A two month relationship and then a commitment. Some of you saying you've been planning it forever. If you plan something you also take into account the bad outcomes of this all; which means some of you would have planned a backup plan if kiamaras would have closed, yes? I'm sorry if I come off as rude or crude but when it comes down to it; not every single kiamara is going to have children. You don't want to rush things? That's fine, you can still have kiamaras date and be mates they just won't have children. Honestly though did any of you expect that every kiamara every to have a mate was going to have babies? People grow old and never have children; so why cannot kiamaras? I didn't want to be the one to point this out, but when you post around saying "oooh I've waiting so long. Oooh I had so much planned." If your kiamara is a baby, a toddler, a young teen. Quiet honestly I understand plotting relationships; but babies? Did anyone really expect kiamaras to go on and on? At some point it would either close, or people would loose interest and it would turn into a tumble downhill. Yeah I know a lot of people don't agree with the closing, but a lot of people do. It's two different sides in this, and both have utterly different views.
I'm basically going to go through in a sort of break down, explaining what I don't like about Alva's idea. I'm sorry if anyone is ofended by me simply opposing the idea; but seeing as everyone seems so uerly happy about it acting like agreeing will simply make it be put into place. We have to understand that they're closing for a reason. Beofre I break down Alva's post I want it to be clear I'm not doing it to be i'm doing it to express how I feel about it. Just like people above this post are agreeing; i'm going to disagree.

To start, we're saying this now so the issues can be resolved before the deadline, and we ALL have time to think through this.
I don't really see an issue; what I personally see is a bunch of people unhappy with the outcome with this. People need to understand that likley the decission to close things and not keep things open was a final verdict among staff. I'm pretty sure someone brought it up and discussed it; and so i'm almost one hundred precent sure that they dicussed that issue of the nursery and decided to close it as well. This would mean it was already thought through; so why think through it again because people don't like the verdic? It's like a cour case in my view. Once a jury, or staff in this case, decide on an answer there is no really going back and saying "Oh well we thought about it over the phone; he's guilty not 'not guilty'. It just doesn't work like that. Generally unless new evidence in discovered the verdic stays.

Secondly, with the complaining issue, that will always be present no matter what happens. Heck, it's happening as we speak! The thing that needs to happen is you need to straight-up tell them no, and if they continue to cause a problem after x amount of warnings, report them to CS.
I'd like to point out that both Apple and Mordacious have both said they came to the answer of 'no' when it came to the nursery. You're telling them to basically grow a backbone and tell you guys a specific answer; well they did that twice now, but it seems you wern't happy with that 'no' Alva and so you tried constructing a plan. Not to sound rude here but why ask them to 'straighten-up and tell them no,' when they'e done so already but yet you ignored it. I know your trying to help but a no was delivered twice, how many Mods need to tell you 'no' and other people 'no' until it gets through their skulls. One should be plenty but it seems it was not.


We honestly thought about keeping the nursery open, but you guys have to keep in mind a few users can ruin it for all of you. We want Kiamaras to have a nice long run, and then stop.

Keeping the nursery running would only cause havoc. With the little time artists have, they'd be pressured into creating babies for a closed species. Not to mention you'll always have those users who will complain and gripe over how "slow" they are or how "half asked" it is.

It's something we decided on as a team, and we get how you all feel towards it, but you have to look at the downfall of it all.

In the meantime, chill. 130 ish away? Come on now.




Ah, I also have a question. Why did you decide to close the nursery as well? Sorry if it's too blunt of a question.


Because the nursery would become a breeding frenzy where people would only be breeding just to get a kiamara, since it would be the only way to get them.
Don't say "no we wouldn't do that" because yes, you would. (not directing that at you personally, by you i mean the community)

And everyone, remember. This isn't happening tomorrow. We have about 130 kiamaras to go. Its going to take a few months, at least. Don't freak out now, its stressing me out a lot.



Pushing the blame on a few users should not justify your reasoning for completely shutting-out the idea.
Why not? The thing is, the nursery would end up in a frenzy, and people would be pushing breedings just to get a kiamara. Some again will say they're not; but it's just something people are going to deny because who honestly would say 'yeah it is because of that.'? Shutting out the idea now prevents an issue later out; that might end up stressing staff out and making it harder than it is with the nice closing we have now. Not to be mean, but honestly would you want to see the nursery full of babies because people want so badly to fill up their slots. Once their slots get full they'd push gifting it to friends or putting it up for ordinary adoption. Closing would then have become pointless as the flow was still going around.

Also, understand that it takes a lot of courage to bring these things up to the staff because, well, honestly I'm worried I'll get bashed for stating my opinion. Please take this seriously and professionally, and do this for all the questions asked.
I just wanted to point out on your ask that you were very rude to some of the people who actually pointed out questions that were honest and more than likely completly seriously. Yet you brushed them off and acted like they were insulting your courage and you as a person. For example one pointed out that litters are still new kiamaras and you lashed out. If you want to be taken seriously you need to not act so immature about it when people anonymously ask you about things. How can the mods take you seriously when you act like that to others who point out a flaw?

To continue this, shutting down the nursery at #500 will not solve the problem with everyone practically pulling babies out of their Kiamaras. Everyone will feel rushed to get relationships sped-up and get the family they've always wanted.
Frankly you can't rush it much if you get your kiamara into a relationship now. Two months of being mates before the kiamara can get pregnant, then the two month gestation period. This means thats about four months unless you use a binkie the it's whenever the artist opens their slots. That would mean four months of RP'ing them our, interacting them together, etc. Not to be mean; but that is not rushed at all, sorry. Either way babies are going to be rushed because people will want to get their kiamaras bred before it gets to be chaos in the nursery; keeping it open simply won't fix he problem. People will want to grow them quickly so they can bred those kiamaras over again as well.

The nursery will remain open, but will only open up every few months, at convenient times for each nursery staff member.
That would make every go mad trying to get a slot, not trying to shoot it down right off the bat but it's honest. People would want to quickly get in a bred their kiamaras; knowing everyone wanting their kiamaras bred at this point who knows by how much that would be up by the time we go to something like this. That could be almost 10 pages full of people wanting and complaining about not getting a slot or making up excuses. That would be a hell for everyone. It would be harder to keep track of everything because everyone would be rushing around instead of sitting down and actually thinking this through because they know it's only open once a month. It's not even really once a month now at this point; and people seem to be pretty fine with it.

The staff can volunteer themselves to do this, or new, trusted members can be hired.
Frankly I don't think hiring new staff with fix the chaos and stress issues. Even with a ton of staff members that means more coordinating work and more trying to organize. Even if a trusted member is hired how would that help much? If there were three archivists, that would mean three people would need to try and work together get along; and coordinate. Three people whom would at some point have opposing opinions. Lets say more artists were hired; even if it was pretty easy to open slots and make more babies how many new kias would be made past 500? 100? 200? 500 kiamaras, which means 250 couples; which would mean at the least 150+ Babies if everyone tries to push children out of their kiamaras butts.

Litters and growths will be the only things produced, not new Kiamaras.
Litters are new kiamaras. Plain and pretty simple; I know on your ask you snapped at someone about this to let me expand on this. Litters are kiamaras, and while you mean contest wise who is to stop the owners from wanting to hold a contest so they could give the baby away. Some owners might not want to gift them; and so saying 'well force them to keep/gift'. That wouldn't work either because then people would complain they don't want to gift the baby to anyone and so a contest would have to be run; thus turning it into an normal adoption.

IF NEEDED, you can reduce the 2 litter limitation to just one so it reduces the amount of Kiamaras being released.
That still doesn't do much, going back to the '150+' idea. If that were to go on, 150 couples with single litters is 150 babies. Multiply that by two and that is 300 babies. 300 new kiamaras. That is still a lot, even if there was a 2 litter limitation. Not to count in the fact that 40% of those liters would be twins, unless a twin potion is used for the breeding(s). So as an estimation, there would be around 350-400 new babies. That would end up being more than half of the 'normal' kiamara population as is.

Remember, by doing this, you won't feel pressured to get all the babies done before the shut-down, and you should NEVER feel rushed about getting them done if you do go through with this proposal.
That's actually not true, this would mean artists would need to get however many litters they open their slots for done within a month or even less. That's pushing an artist to make the babies by a certain day which is still putting pressure on artist. People would/could complain about the litter not coming out fast enough, not getting twins, litters not getting certain markings, favorite artist not open, their kiamara being 'overdue' for a month, not getting a slot, not being on to get a slot, slots not opening when they want them, and the list goes on. Artists and Mods would still be pressured; and while they ca report them it still wouldn't solve the issue as people would still do it knowing the most they'd get from CS is a board warning, and with Kia's maybe a big warning for harassment and if it persists, then a ban.

One of the main points I'm trying to get across is that I feel as though you guys are not keeping an open enough mind to consider these things. I'd appreciate it if you could take these things into consideration, discuss them, and get back to us and share the results publicly.
They had an open mind, because this was all discussed. Under the asked questions there was a thing about the nursery; which means they discussed it and talked about the issues, the pros and the cons. Which would mean at one point they did actually look at it with a huge open mind. Who is to say they're not keeping an open mind? Do you have proof of this? I honestly don't think just because they shoot down an idea or say 'no' to it, doesn't mean they're shooting down the ideas because they don't want to be open-minded about it. That's like me saying your not open to the thought of being turned down; it's just a have to thing.

Sorry for being so 'no' about it; but I felt like someone needs to point out the issues in the idea and how it could/would end up being a pretty bad idea as there would either way be chaos. The adopts were closed for a reason; one of which i'm pretty sure they didn't want the adoptions becoming so huge and out of hand it becomes over-run and too much for Mods/Apple/Artists to handle. We just have to accept the fact that the adopts are closing at 500. The Fanclub will still be active; you can still get art; you can still enjoy the species. There just won't be any new kiamaras coming out. I don't know why that's such a big problem for you guys especially some of you who own 3 or 4 kiamaras. One would think an owner would be happy with the fact they own a kiamara in the first place. One would think the non-owners would be the ones putting up most of the fighting. As said they're closing at 500, which isn't super close right now. It would be pretty hard for Artists to push out 140/150 kiamaras by the end of December. For one people celebrate Holidays in the next two months. Each month (November and December) have a holiday in them, of which people are probably going to be spending with family. So really in those times im sure not all the artists are going to want to be online making and judging kiamara contests.
Sorry to the staff for not only writing so much, but adding fuel to these flames. I just felt like something needed to be said; and while i'm not the best person to be saying it. Actually I shouldn't be saying it at all, it's just been hard holding my tongue on this. Then seeing so many people posting on the topic I just ended up shoving my morals down a hole and writing my opinions, thoughts, and views. Which in the end also contribute to the community and help it grow.

//Slithers into the darkness//
~ Doodles

[Temperance.]

{ Alright guys?
I understand all of you have super strong opinions and want to share your ideas....
but the outcry against this and the overwhelming complaints to keep the nursery open doesn't really help your case.
I think the basic tone of mood for everyone (that you all want the nursery to stay open) has been set.
So with that done can you all please stop posting on here with complaints.
It's overwhelming to apple and the rest of staff, and we get you don't approve but it is MONTHS away, and if, IF, there is going to be a change it'll be something that occurs after the staff has debated it through thoroughly and reached our own decision.

I appreciate all the feedback but I think we get it now ;D
Thanks guys <3
~Kat

[henley]

We all love kiamaras very much, and think we'll all be sad to see them close. But this isn't our choice y'all, this is for the mental health and well-being of the staff just appreciate kiamaras while you can and don't try and change the staff's minds.

[Dragon Documentary]

I personally am not freaked out at all. I can't wait to see the effort put into the next 130 Kiamaras!! The competition is going to be fierce, but it'll be worth it <3 I totally trust Apple's decision. Besides....can't Kiamaras still have mates, just not babies? I, for one, am totally alright with the decision. I mean....really, it's Apple's species x'D She can decide to what she wants with it.

You guys have to remember the species are /pixels/. Your life won't end if your Kiamara can't have a baby <3

[rainbowdash462]

What's going on? I am so confused. School has been keeping me busy and I have no idea what's going on. Can I get filled in?

[palmsprout]

And everyone, please realize that the closing is months away. Small changes regarding the nursery and other parts of kiamaras will be discussed. The staff discuss everything thoroughly, and there most likely will be future changes. (other than canceling the closing. kiamaras will close at 500, that's a decision that won't be changing)

What's going on? I am so confused. School has been keeping me busy and I have no idea what's going on. Can I get filled in?

please just read. Go back and read. People dont have time to explain everything to any person who does not go back and find the original announcement.

[freckledfangirl]

Nuh... .n.

[Temperance.]

{ If you're confused as to what's going on read back about five pages or so.
Honestly, it doesn't take much effort to read things over and most of us don't have time to give recaps.
You can also PM someone who's been posting here if you really are incapable of reading it yourself, but asking for a "recap" or to be "filled in" is considered spam.

And from this point on, whether you agree with it or not, take it to the fanclub, and even there remember that this isn't something to be argued about. Staff has CLEARLY heard your opinions on the matter and we don't need more complaints. Besides that it is ultimately Apple's decision as it is her species, and while your concerns have been noted please do not pester her or any other member of staff in regards to the species closing.

There are still going to be at least a few months before we reach 500, so there's really no reason to freak out, especially when we're kindly giving you this much time to come to terms with it ^^

Everyone should just take a step back, take a deep breath, and enjoy these last 130 kiamaras. We don't know what the future may hold and turning this into a big stressful deal makes it far less likely that the staff will be interested in catering to your wishes.

EDIT: ninja'd by apple xDDD

[~punkstache]

I just have a quick question in regards to nursery growths. Will we have to have our Kia aged before the closing?