Christians on CS!

[SamhokuFoopets]

I think that curse words shouldn't be used as a Christian because you are trying to be separate from the world. I know people have different convictions and it is different everywhere in the world. But as a Christian you should try not to be or act like the world. Which I believe would include how you speak as well as how you act.

[Dactyl]

I think that curse words shouldn't be used as a Christian because you are trying to be separate from the world. I know people have different convictions and it is different everywhere in the world. But as a Christian you should try not to be or act like the world. Which I believe would include how you speak as well as how you act.

I dont think that should be true..
You shouldnt separate yourself from the world, but you should differentiate yourself from the world. To separate is to be an isolationist, or an elitist. Christianity is based on the teachings of jesus who did not do that at all, but did the exact opposite. He went INTO the world, and hung out with the prostitutes and social rejects. He drank wine, he partied at crazy wild parties. But he was different because he based everything he did on positivity and kindness and did everything he could do to improve peoples' lives.

If more christians were a part of this world, imagine what a world it would be.

[SamhokuFoopets]

I think that curse words shouldn't be used as a Christian because you are trying to be separate from the world. I know people have different convictions and it is different everywhere in the world. But as a Christian you should try not to be or act like the world. Which I believe would include how you speak as well as how you act.

I dont think that should be true..
You shouldnt separate yourself from the world, but you should differentiate yourself from the world. To separate is to be an isolationist, or an elitist. Christianity is based on the teachings of jesus who did not do that at all, but did the exact opposite. He went INTO the world, and hung out with the prostitutes and social rejects. He drank wine, he partied at crazy wild parties. But he was different because he based everything he did on positivity and kindness and did everything he could do to improve peoples' lives.

Would you like to give me verses to back up every one of your statements? Especially the wild party ones? He was on the Mount of Olives to teach, he was crucified. I know people who believe that drinking beer is okay. Alright, I can accept that, but some people are so tempted by the desire to get drunk that they cannot even have 1 sip. My Grandma used to have a sip of wine before her meals.

"Drunkards will not inherit the Kingdom of God." That is in the bible. I see nothing wrong with having one beer or one sip of wine as long as you don't get drunk, but you have to watch that line.

Where in the bible did Jesus use a curse word? You have to be careful with the character of Jesus or you could be on borderline blasphemy.

[Dactyl]

I think that curse words shouldn't be used as a Christian because you are trying to be separate from the world. I know people have different convictions and it is different everywhere in the world. But as a Christian you should try not to be or act like the world. Which I believe would include how you speak as well as how you act.

I dont think that should be true..
You shouldnt separate yourself from the world, but you should differentiate yourself from the world. To separate is to be an isolationist, or an elitist. Christianity is based on the teachings of jesus who did not do that at all, but did the exact opposite. He went INTO the world, and hung out with the prostitutes and social rejects. He drank wine, he partied at crazy wild parties. But he was different because he based everything he did on positivity and kindness and did everything he could do to improve peoples' lives.

Would you like to give me verses to back up every one of your statements? Especially the wild party ones? He was on the Mount of Olives to teach, he was crucified. I know people who believe that drinking beer is okay. Alright, I can accept that, but some people are so tempted by the desire to get drunk that they cannot even have 1 sip. My Grandma used to have a sip of wine before her meals.

"Drunkards will not inherit the Kingdom of God." That is in the bible. I see nothing wrong with having one beer or one sip of wine as long as you don't get drunk, but you have to watch that line.

Where in the bible did Jesus use a curse word? You have to be careful with the character of Jesus or you could be on borderline blasphemy.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se ... ersion=NIV

"Ecclesiastes 9:7 ESV / 13 helpful votes
Go, eat your bread with joy, and drink your wine with a merry heart, for God has already approved what you do."

1 Peter 4:3 ESV / 8 helpful votes
For the time that is past suffices for doing what the Gentiles want to do, living in sensuality, passions, drunkenness, orgies, drinking parties, and lawless idolatry.

Proverbs 31:6 ESV / 7 helpful votes
Give strong drink to the one who is perishing, and wine to those in bitter distress;

1 Corinthians 6:12 ESV / 5 helpful votes
“All things are lawful for me,” but not all things are helpful. “All things are lawful for me,” but I will not be enslaved by anything.

Deuteronomy 14:24-26 ESV / 5 helpful votes
And if the way is too long for you, so that you are not able to carry the tithe, when the Lord your God blesses you, because the place is too far from you, which the Lord your God chooses, to set his name there, then you shall turn it into money and bind up the money in your hand and go to the place that the Lord your God chooses and spend the money for whatever you desire—oxen or sheep or wine or strong drink, whatever your appetite craves. And you shall eat there before the Lord your God and rejoice, you and your household.

Isaiah 65:8 ESV / 3 helpful votes
Thus says the Lord: “As the new wine is found in the cluster, and they say, ‘Do not destroy it, for there is a blessing in it,’ so I will do for my servants' sake, and not destroy them all.

The bible has nothing against wine, just against drunks.
I never said jesus cursed people? Because he wouldnt. But his disciples, and the people around him did all the time. The people he hung out with were not the best people. Paul used to kill christians.

also this is what I mean by arbitrary curse words...

" Jesus said, "Damn the flesh that depends on the soul. Damn the soul that depends on the flesh.""

also..

"His disciples said to him, "When will the kingdom come?"

"It will not come by watching for it. It will not be said, 'Look, here!' or 'Look, there!' Rather, the Father's kingdom is spread out upon the earth, and people don't see it.""

"3. Jesus said, "If your leaders say to you, 'Look, the (Father's) kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the (Father's) kingdom is within you and it is outside you."

"6. His disciples asked him and said to him, "Do you want us to fast? How should we pray? Should we give to charity? What diet should we observe?"

Jesus said, "Don't lie, and don't do what you hate, because all things are disclosed before heaven. After all, there is nothing hidden that will not be revealed, and there is nothing covered up that will remain undisclosed.""

11. Jesus said, "This heaven will pass away, and the one above it will pass away.

The dead are not alive, and the living will not die. During the days when you ate what is dead, you made it come alive. When you are in the light, what will you do? On the day when you were one, you became two. But when you become two, what will you do?"

14. Jesus said to them, "If you fast, you will bring sin upon yourselves, and if you pray, you will be condemned, and if you give to charity, you will harm your spirits.

When you go into any region and walk about in the countryside, when people take you in, eat what they serve you and heal the sick among them.

After all, what goes into your mouth will not defile you; rather, it's what comes out of your mouth that will defile you."

Also, would it be considered a sin to walk into a church and flip tables upside down and yell at people?
jesus did that, but he never sinned... so is usurping authority a sin?

[SamhokuFoopets]

If you read in Romans it does talk about when you can usurp authority. When the law becomes a terror to the righteous. Calls good evil and evil good. I am about to go, but I will send a PM with everything else later...

Give me a verse where an apostle swore, please.

Jesus was cleaning his Fathers house. My dad is going to be preaching on that next week. They where misusing his fathers house.

[Dactyl]

If you read in Romans it does talk about when you can usurp authority. When the law becomes a terror to the righteous. Calls good evil and evil good. I am about to go, but I will send a PM with everything else later...

Give me a verse where an apostle swore, please.

Jesus was cleaning his Fathers house. My dad is going to be preaching on that next week. They where misusing his fathers house.

yes, but it's all about context you see...
to the jews that were worshipping in the synagogue, he completely befouled the place and sinned.
If a christian came in and did that to a church they would believe him to be doing the same. It's all a manner of perspective.

Also it would be the equivalent of a person of another religion coming into your place of worship and flipping tables.
Yes, you may usurp authority when the law becomes a terror to the righteous. Though many christians do not do this, and allow their laws to become terror.

and again with the swearing.... it wont translate. I could pull a hundred verses of the apostles saying an english swear word in context. Like how jesus said "damn". It wont translate. That is why I say swear words are arbitrary.

Jesus never spoke english.. He spoke hebrew. In hebrew, swearing is along the lines of "I befoul your bretheren and wish ill upon you and your family in the most vile way possible, may these things happen to you" instead of "you are a poopface" in english.
English "curses" really arent curses.
for instance, the most common english curse essentially translates to "may you have sex". While a common hebrew curse at the time translates to "you are acting like a gluttonous philistine" It's arbitrary. And doesnt translate to what is socially called "cursing".

[Supernuk]

I think that curse words shouldn't be used as a Christian because you are trying to be separate from the world. I know people have different convictions and it is different everywhere in the world. But as a Christian you should try not to be or act like the world. Which I believe would include how you speak as well as how you act.

I dont think that should be true..
You shouldnt separate yourself from the world, but you should differentiate yourself from the world. To separate is to be an isolationist, or an elitist. Christianity is based on the teachings of jesus who did not do that at all, but did the exact opposite. He went INTO the world, and hung out with the prostitutes and social rejects. He drank wine, he partied at crazy wild parties. But he was different because he based everything he did on positivity and kindness and did everything he could do to improve peoples' lives.

If more christians were a part of this world, imagine what a world it would be.

Just my little comments as to what I believe about the topics discussed.

Jesus did not come to make everyone's lives better. He said He would split families and that His followers would suffer daily by carrying their own cross throughout their lives. He also did not come to "party" with a bunch of sinners, but to show them the light and to show others who thought they were "holier" that they needed a Savior too. Jesus didn't come to "hang" but to save. He was certainly not always positive because He did preach on hell and the consequences of sin. It is true that we have to be in this world because we live here but we cannot be of it. "Of it" meaning acting like it while saying you're still Christian. We have to be the salt and light and if we look like darkness, well, what's the point of saying we're Christians? To save ourselves? If Jesus looked like darkness, how could He possibly have hoped to save others and bring them into the light? If cursing, drinking, partying, anything makes you look like darkness, well, I don't believe God's glorified. As Christians, we are supposed to live a life glorifying God. Leading a displeasing life to God is sin.

To say Jesus "hung" with prostitutes and was a "major party animal" is, in my opinion, pretty bad. I will have to agree with Sam on saying that it can be considered borderline blasphemy. He didn't go to the woman of the well saying "Hey yo, let's party at your places and I'll meet your 5 husbands!" He said that He was the living water and would save her from her lifestyle. Pretty big difference from the way you're portraying Him.

Finally, Jesus is authority. He wasn't usurping it because He is authority. If the Jews at that time would've known that, they would've 1. praised Him as Lord, 2. seen their sin in the temple with their money changing and selling of over-priced offerings, and 3. turned away from their sin. He is God. He was, is, and will continue to be their God. Who was really the authority in that situation?

[SamhokuFoopets]

I think that curse words shouldn't be used as a Christian because you are trying to be separate from the world. I know people have different convictions and it is different everywhere in the world. But as a Christian you should try not to be or act like the world. Which I believe would include how you speak as well as how you act.

I dont think that should be true..
You shouldnt separate yourself from the world, but you should differentiate yourself from the world. To separate is to be an isolationist, or an elitist. Christianity is based on the teachings of jesus who did not do that at all, but did the exact opposite. He went INTO the world, and hung out with the prostitutes and social rejects. He drank wine, he partied at crazy wild parties. But he was different because he based everything he did on positivity and kindness and did everything he could do to improve peoples' lives.

If more christians were a part of this world, imagine what a world it would be.

Just my little comments as to what I believe about the topics discussed.

Jesus did not come to make everyone's lives better. He said He would split families and that His followers would suffer daily by carrying their own cross throughout their lives. He also did not come to "party" with a bunch of sinners, but to show them the light and to show others who thought they were "holier" that they needed a Savior too. Jesus didn't come to "hang" but to save. He was certainly not always positive because He did preach on hell and the consequences of sin. It is true that we have to be in this world because we live here but we cannot be of it. "Of it" meaning acting like it while saying you're still Christian. We have to be the salt and light and if we look like darkness, well, what's the point of saying we're Christians? To save ourselves? If Jesus looked like darkness, how could He possibly have hoped to save others and bring them into the light? If cursing, drinking, partying, anything makes you look like darkness, well, I don't believe God's glorified. As Christians, we are supposed to live a life glorifying God. Leading a displeasing life to God is sin.

To say Jesus "hung" with prostitutes and was a "major party animal" is, in my opinion, pretty bad. I will have to agree with Sam on saying that it can be considered borderline blasphemy. He didn't go to the woman of the well saying "Hey yo, let's party at your places and I'll meet your 5 husbands!" He said that He was the living water and would save her from her lifestyle. Pretty big difference from the way you're portraying Him.

Finally, Jesus is authority. He wasn't usurping it because He is authority. If the Jews at that time would've known that, they would've 1. praised Him as Lord, 2. seen their sin in the temple with their money changing and selling of over-priced offerings, and 3. turned away from their sin. He is God. He was, is, and will continue to be their God. Who was really the authority in that situation?

I agree with everything Supernuk said. Thank you for helping me not have to do as much with this.

[Dactyl]

"Finally, Jesus is authority. He wasn't usurping it because He is authority. If the Jews at that time would've known that, they would've 1. praised Him as Lord, 2. seen their sin in the temple with their money changing and selling of over-priced offerings, and 3. turned away from their sin. He is God. He was, is, and will continue to be their God. Who was really the authority in that situation?"

he was not authority at the time. You need to look at the context. Also, if jesus appeared and started doing that with your church, you wouldnt view him as authority. There is more that meets the eye. Also, you are contextualizing what I am saying. I am not saying that he was a "party animal" but hung around those types. He went /into/ the darkness to bring it light. He didnt stay out in the light looking at the darkness and sneering at it. He got his hands dirty and went in and got to understand situations. THATS what jesus is. He also said the light comes from within. How would you know if your church is wrong if jesus didnt tell you so? And if he did, would you recognize it as jesus?

102. Jesus said, "Damn the Pharisees! They are like a dog sleeping in the cattle manger: the dog neither eats nor [lets] the cattle eat."

101. "Whoever does not hate [father] and mother as I do cannot be my [disciple], and whoever does [not] love [father and] mother as I do cannot be my [disciple].

98. Jesus said, "The Father's kingdom is like a person who wanted to kill someone powerful. While still at home he drew his sword and thrust it into the wall to find out whether his hand would go in. Then he killed the powerful one."

97. Jesus said, "The [Father's] kingdom is like a woman who was carrying a [jar] full of meal. While she was walking along [a] distant road, the handle of the jar broke and the meal spilled behind her [along] the road. She didn't know it; she hadn't noticed a problem. When she reached her house, she put the jar down and discovered that it was empty."

[SamhokuFoopets]

"Finally, Jesus is authority. He wasn't usurping it because He is authority. If the Jews at that time would've known that, they would've 1. praised Him as Lord, 2. seen their sin in the temple with their money changing and selling of over-priced offerings, and 3. turned away from their sin. He is God. He was, is, and will continue to be their God. Who was really the authority in that situation?"

he was not authority at the time. You need to look at the context. Also, if jesus appeared and started doing that with your church, you wouldnt view him as authority. There is more that meets the eye. Also, you are contextualizing what I am saying. I am not saying that he was a "party animal" but hung around those types. He went /into/ the darkness to bring it light. He didnt stay out in the light looking at the darkness and sneering at it. He got his hands dirty and went in and got to understand situations. THATS what jesus is. He also said the light comes from within. How would you know if your church is wrong if jesus didnt tell you so? And if he did, would you recognize it as jesus?

102. Jesus said, "Damn the Pharisees! They are like a dog sleeping in the cattle manger: the dog neither eats nor [lets] the cattle eat."

101. "Whoever does not hate [father] and mother as I do cannot be my [disciple], and whoever does [not] love [father and] mother as I do cannot be my [disciple].

98. Jesus said, "The Father's kingdom is like a person who wanted to kill someone powerful. While still at home he drew his sword and thrust it into the wall to find out whether his hand would go in. Then he killed the powerful one."

97. Jesus said, "The [Father's] kingdom is like a woman who was carrying a [jar] full of meal. While she was walking along [a] distant road, the handle of the jar broke and the meal spilled behind her [along] the road. She didn't know it; she hadn't noticed a problem. When she reached her house, she put the jar down and discovered that it was empty."

He is the Authority, but He was crucified because they did not recognize Him as the Authority. They did not recognize Him as the Lamb of God. And when they did he went and cleansed the temple. In fact, it was almost immediately after, according to Mark.

I have to go, so I cannot say anymore about it, but if you wish to PM me you may.