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Re: "The" Rares List Guide [pg. 509 gap list update!]

Postby guineapigsrock100 » Mon Jun 03, 2013 1:32 am

Hekomi wrote:The store pets are all liable to move.

The problem is, basing them on pure rarity would be quite hard. We actually don't know where things actually are rarity wise because Nick and Tess keep that info pretty close. So even if we did go by just rarity alone, demand is still mixed into it.

well, i thought the list took rarity and demand into consideration. i was wondering why i see the red cerberus all the way up in the september list even though it came in april 2010 after the seal dogs, which are all the way down as mid advents. is it because of its demand? the raven dog is so popular that it goes for high main list pets even though it's so low, and its supply is always low (compared to the black advent or joker) so it should at least be near the cerberus :P
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Re: "The" Rares List Guide [pg. 509 gap list update!]

Postby incognito! » Mon Jun 03, 2013 3:41 am

I definitely think the raven dog should be moved up, though I'm probably an inexperienced voice compared to the rest of you. I've only seen like, one fair line swap and the demand is getting higher as it is. Moving it up would reflect what it's going for a little better.

As I've mentioned before somewhere, demand and supply go hand in hand. You can't just ignore demand, it's part of economy. CS is like a simulation only with cute adoptables. cx

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Re: "The" Rares List Guide [pg. 509 gap list update!]

Postby Kyar » Mon Jun 03, 2013 2:27 pm

rocketeer. wrote:I definitely think the raven dog should be moved up, though I'm probably an inexperienced voice compared to the rest of you. I've only seen like, one fair line swap and the demand is getting higher as it is. Moving it up would reflect what it's going for a little better.

As I've mentioned before somewhere, demand and supply go hand in hand. You can't just ignore demand, it's part of economy. CS is like a simulation only with cute adoptables. cx

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That's true - demand is very important - but at the same time the raven isn't near as rare as the other pets on that line it's already on. It was only rare when it first came out and stayed that way for at least a few months if I remember right. I have thought about this a bit lately but I really don't think it's a major thing. I know I've seen the raven go for main list pets but that is when demand is sky-high. I've also swapped a raven for lolita at least once. We're just coming down from a raven demand-high so it's hard to say exactly where it needs to be. Personally I wouldn't even consider bringing it up above a mid advent but even so I'm not sure it really needs to go too high. I really think 1-2 lines would be the most you'd want to move it.

That's part of it too - as soon as it moves up demand will spike again. Having it higher on the list would give people more reason to want more overpay.
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Re: "The" Rares List Guide [pg. 509 gap list update!]

Postby Celozon » Mon Jun 03, 2013 2:52 pm

Kyar wrote:
rocketeer. wrote:I definitely think the raven dog should be moved up, though I'm probably an inexperienced voice compared to the rest of you. I've only seen like, one fair line swap and the demand is getting higher as it is. Moving it up would reflect what it's going for a little better.

As I've mentioned before somewhere, demand and supply go hand in hand. You can't just ignore demand, it's part of economy. CS is like a simulation only with cute adoptables. cx

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That's true - demand is very important - but at the same time the raven isn't near as rare as the other pets on that line it's already on. It was only rare when it first came out and stayed that way for at least a few months if I remember right. I have thought about this a bit lately but I really don't think it's a major thing. I know I've seen the raven go for main list pets but that is when demand is sky-high. I've also swapped a raven for lolita at least once. We're just coming down from a raven demand-high so it's hard to say exactly where it needs to be. Personally I wouldn't even consider bringing it up above a mid advent but even so I'm not sure it really needs to go too high. I really think 1-2 lines would be the most you'd want to move it.

That's part of it too - as soon as it moves up demand will spike again. Having it higher on the list would give people more reason to want more overpay.



Honestly, I'm not sure I'd see it as 'more reason to want overpay." people are still going to be willing to offer just as much for a pet as before, they aren't going to be willing to offer more overpay if it moves up a few lines and they are already offering main list. They would still offer the same main list as before. People who have the pet are already expecting, and getting, overpay. If it is moved up, it means the pet's value has gone up. They are already getting offered more because the pet is higher on the list, I doubt people will start expecting even higher main list just because it goes up a few lines.

I will add to this that I personally have not been into rares list trading and paying attention when pets are moved up to see how they are affected, so no I don't know for certain what would happen, but this is just coming from my own experience. I personally think, that if a pet is already getting a lot of overpay, like the Raven dog is, then its value has already gone up, and the only thing the rares list is doing by not changing the value, is drilling into people's heads that the pets value has not gone up. If people are consistently offering main list for raven dogs, even though they know what the raven dog is 'really' worth, than I think that means its value has increased. Regardless of how people would treat the pet if it moved up, the rares list is supposed to be reflecting the values of the pets in both demand and rarity. And store pets are constantly going up in demand because there are more and more users that want them, and they are not being re-released. I think if the rares list starts refusing to move pets because 'rarity-wise its not worth anywhere near that much' or 'its not as rare as some of the pets its going to be above' then its starting to reflect only the pets rarity, and not the demand. A lot of people depend on this guide for trades, if a user gets a raven dog, they may accept a swap for a same-tier pet when it is fair, but little did they know, several other people are willing to offer much more. Is it wrong to accept overpay offers? Because thats what some people are now making it out to be, only fair offers are ok and you are 'feeding demand' if you accept overpay.

Yes, every once in a while you can find someone willing to swap a Raven dog, but 99% of the time those users are either like the user described above "Stop feeding demand!" or they don't realize how much overpay people are willing to offer for Raven dogs or they just want the pet your offering so much that they are willing to offer the Raven dog for it. But how many people have to be willing to offer overpay for a pet for it to be enough to move a pet up the list?

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Re: "The" Rares List Guide [pg. 509 gap list update!]

Postby vvoland » Mon Jun 03, 2013 3:15 pm

Just a note about the raven

It's definitely not that rare of a pet. I remember for like a month after it was no longer available, it was rare, and then it fluctuated back up to very rare. I think based on rarity, and factoring in reasonable demand, its placement is pretty good.
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Re: "The" Rares List Guide [pg. 509 gap list update!]

Postby FoxerOwl » Mon Jun 03, 2013 3:20 pm

My opinion may not matter, but I agree with Megalithic.

I don't think the Raven needs to be moved, as it's placement is pretty sturdy as it is. I think that even if you move it up a few lines, people will freak and demand everyone to overpay once more.

People are already overpaying as it is, and if it's moved people will think it's rarity is much higher than it is, thus saying that's its worth in demand has fluctuated as well and will want a Sept. List + for it.

It's placement right now, for me, seems fine and manageable. If you move it up, it'll take months, maybe even a year,
(okay maybe an exaggeration) for the demand to die down. Even then, people will want overpay for it.

Sure, it's demand is high, but move it up a few more lines and it's demand might stay sky-high forever.
(once again perhaps an exaggeration.) I think it's placement, for now at least, is fine.

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Re: "The" Rares List Guide [pg. 509 gap list update!]

Postby Solloby » Mon Jun 03, 2013 3:23 pm

Re the Raven dog, I think its demand boom is too recent to warrant considering adjusting its Rares List position. Up until earlier this year it was going for around its list value, and its possible the demand levels may return to what they were before this recent surge in overpays. As a general rule it is a bad idea to move any pet whose value is currently fluctuating, and I'd put the Raven dog firmly in that category.
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Re: "The" Rares List Guide [pg. 483 draft gap breakdown list

Postby Azuri » Mon Jun 03, 2013 3:27 pm

Kevinsaurus wrote:
Blizzardclaw wrote:on the topic of moving pets, i beleive the raven dog should be moved up one teir, my reasons are as fallows

1) the raven easily goes for high advents, (teir 7 to sockdog*), grinners, cakedogs and the occasional main list.

2) I have never seen a fair teir swap **

3) they seem to have more demand then anything else on the same teir

4) store pets, as of this moment, are not rereleased and gain greater value as they grow older

5) the raven has more demand then its litter mate, the patchwork, so like the lolita and green android it should be moved up


~Please note that this is not a baised conclusion because i want to trade them for higher worth, even though i have one and have auctioned another one, i constantly see offers of bordercollies, blue spotted advent, cookies and grinners on the one i still have

I have also seen a number of frustrated people complaining that they cannot get a teir swap to a raven, or even trade a seal pps to one~

also note that i am not trying to start a debate and i honestly believe that a teir up could eleviate some frustration, though i do understand if it stays the same


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* sockdog only, i have never seen anything else
** this is subjective to what i have viewed and my not always be the case

It's pretty generally established that store pets gain value over time, with the older store pets being worth more than the newer ones. It's also pretty well established that their movement on the lists will change every now and then upwards just given the nature of store pets (in the aspects of rarity, age, cost, and demand). It's definitely something to consider with the lists, but I think for now we've still got some potential discussion about the main list and certain gaps we'd need to resolve, and I think it'd probably be best to stick with that for now. We'd probably have to examine the september list too afterwards before even moving to the advent list, so I'd probably hold off on this thought for now.



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Re: "The" Rares List Guide [pg. 509 gap list update!]

Postby nickjr » Mon Jun 03, 2013 3:31 pm

When was the raven last moved? If it was, for example, two year ago, then maybe it should be moved; if it was last moved pretty recently, then maybe not.
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Re: "The" Rares List Guide [pg. 509 gap list update!]

Postby Solloby » Mon Jun 03, 2013 3:44 pm

I can't find when the last store pet move was; I agree with your thinking there though Nickjr. If it has been 2 rereleases since the store pets last moved then they probably should get a minor boost to accommodate for their reduced supply. Otherwise we should probably wait for another rerelease.

I think once the gaps list is all sorted out it might be a good time to start looking at the UR pets (new and old) and Store pets since they are the most heavily affected by rereleases, and hopefully they will have settled down a bit more by then.
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