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Re: I used to feed my doggy poison. :D

Postby Jazi » Sat Apr 14, 2012 6:28 am

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BrutusTheBeefcake wrote:
Jazi wrote:As said before, many people see their dogs as "doing just fine" until they switch to a very high quality food or even raw. I have seen no one properly switch their animals over and say that they haven't noticed a huge difference in health and appearance.

I could "do just fine" eating nothing but candy, mcdonalds, and pizza. As a college student, I've done that some months. However I always notice an improvement in my overall health and concentration when I eat actual meals that are at least healthier for me than that.


I switched them to different kinds and they do fine. No health/appearence difference at all. They all are really active too.


Yes but what kinds of food? Are you talking about really high quality foods or stuff that is really simiilar to Dog Chow and Kibbles N' Bits? And you can't expect instant results. Dogs usually need to be on the same diet for several weeks to a month before you start to see significant imrpovement.

x2 It was about 5 weeks before I saw a noticeable difference in Saffron's coat and eyes and a few more before she started shedding weight.

Of course, switching from IAMs to Purina isn't going to show you anything. Jumping from Kibbles N Bits to Orijen will definitely show a huge improvement. All of the foods you're listing are pretty awful. Taste of the Wild, EVO, and Orijen are the three big ones that I push for anyone starting to look around for good food.
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Re: I used to feed my doggy poison. :D

Postby IAmLink » Sat Apr 14, 2012 6:29 am

BrutusTheBeefcake wrote:Well we fed them Old Yeller dry food, Kibbles 'n Bits, Ol' Roy, and Dog Chow or IAMS.


That would be why. None of those brands are very good, and Ol' Roy is just terrible.

If you want to get a good, high quality dog food, then you need to look at the ingredients. Real meat should always be the first ingredient at least. But, as I've said before, I would only use kibble that had at least the first three ingredients listed as real meat.
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Re: I used to feed my doggy poison. :D

Postby Jazi » Sun Apr 15, 2012 11:20 am

Jazi wrote:PurinaOne Beyond Salmon and Rice

Salmon, chicken meal, whole brown rice, soybean meal, whole barley, whole oat meal, animal fat preserved with mixed-tocopherols (form of Vitamin E), soy protein isolate, brewers dried yeast, dried egg product, dried beet pulp, natural flavor, fish oil, phosphoric acid, calcium carbonate, whole cranberries, caramel color, dried tomatoes, dried spinach, salt, potassium chloride, taurine, choline chloride, calcium phosphate, Vitamin E supplement, zinc sulfate, ferrous sulfate, niacin, manganese sulfate, Vitamin A supplement, calcium pantothenate, thiamine mononitrate, copper sulfate, riboflavin supplement, Vitamin B-12 supplement, pyridoxine hydrochloride, folic acid, Vitamin D-3 supplement, calcium iodate, biotin, menadione sodium bisulfite complex (source of Vitamin K activity), sodium selenite.


Taste of the Wild, Canyon River

Trout, ocean fish meal, sweet potatoes, potatoes, canola oil, pea protein, potato protein, smoked salmon, natural flavor, choline chloride, DL-methionine, taurine, mixed tocopherols, dried chicory root, tomatoes, blueberries, raspberries, yucca schidigera extract, dried Enterococcus faecium fermentation product, dried Lactobacillus acidophilus fermentation product, dried Lactobacillus casei fermentation product, dried Lactobacillus plantarum fermentation product, dried Trichoderma longibrachiatum fermentation extract, zinc proteinate, vitamin E supplement, niacin, manganese proteinate, copper proteinate, zinc sulfate, manganese sulfate, copper sulfate, thiamine mononitrate (vitamin B1), vitamin A supplement, biotin, potassium iodide, calcium pantothenate, riboflavin (vitamin B2), pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), vitamin B12 supplement, manganous oxide, sodium selenite, vitamin D supplement, folic acid


EVO, Herring and Salmon

Herring, Salmon Meal, Salmon, Herring Meal, Peas, Eggs, Herring Oil, Pea Fiber, Natural Flavor, Apples, Sunflower Oil, Carrots, Cottage Cheese, Dried Chicory Root, DL-Methionine, taurine, Vitamins (Ascorbic Acid, Vitamin E Supplement, Betaine Hydrochloride, Niacin Supplement, Vitamin A Supplement, Calcium Pantothenate, Thiamine Mononitrate, Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex, Riboflavin Supplement, Beta Carotene, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Biotin, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Folic Acid), Minerals (Zinc Proteinate, Iron Proteinate, Copper Proteinate, Manganese Proteinate, Calcium Iodate), Direct Fed Microbials (Dried Lactobacillus acidophilus Fermentation Product, Dried Lactobacillus casei Fermentation Product, Dried Enterococcus faecium Fermentation Product)


BOLD is real meat.

ITALICS are things that a carnivore wouldn't need in such large amounts, some people argue that carnivores don't need them at all.

BLUE are things that are suspicious, such as "natural flavor" (could be ANYTHING).

Remember that the higher up a product is mentioned, the more of it there is in that ingredient. Looking at the ingredients, it's not hard to see what food clearly ranks superior, and this is just for cats.


A look into ingredients and how to tell the difference in quality. Obviously looking from Purina to EVO, there is a huge difference in what's in the food and that is what you want to look for. If you switch from a food made of mostly "chicken byproduct meal" to a food made of "turkey byproduct meal"... well, of course there won't be much change if any at all. Switching from "chicken byproduct meal" to 3-5 ingredients of real meat on the other hand...

EDIT: For example, the brands you've listed...

Ol Yeller
Ground yellow corn, meat and bone meal, soybean meal, poultry by-product meal, wheat middlings, animal fat (preserved with BHA), animal digest, brewers rice, salt, brewers dried yeast, brewers dried grains, dried whey, propionic acid (a preservative), choline chloride, calcium carbonate, rice mill by-product, ferrous sulfate, zinc oxide, vitamin A/D3/E/B12 supplement, red 40, manganous oxide, copper sulfate, niacin supplement, calcium pantothenate, menadione sodium bisulfite complex (source of vitamin K activity), ethylenediamine dihydriodide, thiamin mononitrate, riboflavin supplement, colbalt carbonate, pyridoxine hydrochloride, folic acid, biotin, sodium selenite


Kibbles N Bits
Corn, soybean meal, beef and bone meal, ground wheat flour, animal fat (BHA used as preservative), corn syrup, wheat middlings, beef, water sufficient for processing, animal digest, propylene glycol, salt, hydrochloric acid, caramel color, potassium chloride, sorbic acid (used as a preservative), sodium carbonate, minerals (ferrous sulfate, zinc oxide, manganous oxide, copper sulfate, calcium iodate, sodium selenite), vitamins (vitamin E supplement, vitamin A supplement, niacin supplement, D-calcium pantothenate, riboflavin supplement, pyridoxine hydrochloride, thiamine mononitrate, vitamin D3 supplement, folic acid, biotin, vitamin B12 supplement), choline chloride, titanium dioxide (color), calcium sulfate, red 40, yellow 5, yellow 6, BHA (used as a preservative), potassium sorbate, DL-methionine.


Ol Roy
Ground yellow corn, meat and bone meal, soybean meal, chicken by-product meal, wheat middlings, animal fat [preserved with BHA and citric acid], natural flavor, brewers rice, salt, calcium carbonate, potassium chloride, choline chloride, color added [red #40, yellow #5, blue #2], zinc sulfate, vitamin E supplement, ferrous sulfate, zinc oxide, niacin, copper sulfate, vitamin A supplement, biotin, manganous oxide, calcium pantothenate, vitamin B12 supplement, thiamine mononitrate, pyridoxine hydrochloride, menadione sodium bisulfite complex [source of vitamin K activity], riboflavin supplement, sodium selenite, calcium iodate, folic acid, vitamin D3 supplement, cobalt carbonate


Purina Dog Chow
Whole grain corn, poultry by-product meal, corn gluten meal, animal fat preserved with mixed-tocopherols (form of Vitamin E), meat and bone meal, brewers rice, soybean meal, whole grain wheat, egg and chicken flavor, animal digest, calcium phosphate, salt, calcium carbonate, potassium chloride, L-Lysine monohydrochloride, choline chloride, added color (Yellow 6, Yellow 5, Red 40, Blue 2), zinc sulfate, Vitamin E supplement, ferrous sulfate, manganese sulfate, niacin, Vitamin A supplement, copper sulfate, calcium pantothenate, garlic oil, pyridoxine hydrochloride, Vitamin B-12 supplement, thiamine mononitrate, Vitamin D-3 supplement, riboflavin supplement, calcium iodate, menadione sodium bisulfite complex (source of Vitamin K activity), folic acid, biotin, sodium selenite.


IAMS
Chicken, Corn Meal, Chicken By-Product Meal (Natural Source Of Chondroitin Sulfate And Glucosamine), Ground Whole Grain Sorghum, Chicken Meal, Dried Beet Pulp, Chicken Flavor, Chicken Fat (Preserved With Mixed Tocopherols, A Source Of Vitamin E), Fish Oil (Preserved With Mixed Tocopherols, A Source Of Vitamin E), Dried Egg Product, Potassium Chloride, Brewers Dried Yeast, Salt, Monosodium Phosphate, Caramel, Choline Chloride, Fructooligosaccharides, Minerals (Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Oxide, Manganese Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Manganous Oxide, Potassium Iodide, Cobalt Carbonate), Vitamins (Ascorbic Acid, Vitamin A Acetate, Calcium Pantothenate, Biotin, Thiamine Mononitrate (Source Of Vitamin B1), Vitamin B12 Supplement, Niacin, Riboflavin Supplement (Source Of Vitamin B2), Inositol, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Source Of Vitamin B6), Vitamin D3 Supplement, Folic Acid), Vitamin E Supplement, Calcium Carbonate, L-Lysine Monohydrochloride, Dl-Methionine, Rosemary Extract.


The added color is red, for things that are red flags and should be avoided at all costs. Dogs cannot digest corn nearly as readily as peopel believe... we as humans can't even, nor can cows. By-product meals are also bad news.

It's not much of a surprise you didn't see any difference in your dogs switching around from bad brand to bad brand. Like I said that's like switching your favorite food from candy to twinkies to cake to cookies... either way it's still not healthy OR what you need. Same with dogs.
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Re: I used to feed my doggy poison. :D

Postby IAmLink » Sun Apr 15, 2012 11:47 am

Great comparison post Jazi! :thumbup:
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Re: I used to feed my doggy poison. :D

Postby rachiechu888 » Sun Apr 15, 2012 11:52 am

People are so greedy... The only reason there is not as much good food is that all people want is money. Also, can someone make a thread like this for cats, so I can show it to my mom? I already know that things like Purina are bad, but my mom buys it because it's cheap. (Funny, because my mom is one of those people who is obsessed with eating healthy and stuff)
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Re: I used to feed my doggy poison. :D

Postby IAmLink » Sun Apr 15, 2012 11:55 am

RED & Half Moon wrote:People are so greedy... The only reason there is not as much good food is that all people want is money. Also, can someone make a thread like this for cats, so I can show it to my mom? I already know that things like Purina are bad, but my mom buys it because it's cheap. (Funny, because my mom is one of those people who is obsessed with eating healthy and stuff)


That's exactly why most vets push Science Diet (which is basically crap), because they get paid by the company to sell it in their office :roll:
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Re: I used to feed my doggy poison. :D

Postby Jazi » Sun Apr 15, 2012 12:29 pm

Just to prove a point...

Science Diet (Advanced Fitness)
Chicken, Whole Grain Corn, Whole Grain Sorghum, Whole Grain Wheat, Chicken By-Product Meal, Soybean Meal, Corn Gluten Meal, Animal Fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols and citric acid), Brewers Rice, Chicken Liver Flavor, Lactic Acid, Soybean Oil, Flaxseed, Iodized Salt, Potassium Chloride, Choline Chloride, Vitamin E Supplement, L-Lysine, vitamins (L-Ascorbyl-2-Polyphosphate (source of vitamin C), Vitamin E Supplement, Niacin, Thiamine Mononitrate, Vitamin A Supplement, Calcium Pantothenate, Biotin, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Riboflavin, Folic Acid, Vitamin D3 Supplement), Calcium Carbonate, minerals (Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Oxide, Copper Sulfate, Manganous Oxide, Calcium Iodate, Sodium Selenite), Taurine, preserved with Mixed Tocopherols and Citric Acid, Phosphoric Acid, Beta-Carotene, Rosemary Extract.


:roll: speaks for itself, really.

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The first three I posted were cat food formulas from Purina, EVO, and Taste of the Wild. :3 I can track down some more if you want me to.
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Re: I used to feed my doggy poison. :D

Postby arcтυrυѕ » Sun Apr 15, 2012 4:54 pm

I feed my dog this one brand called Logic, which is good, and Taste of the Wild as dry food. We feed him raw and have the dry food for when people watch him so they don't have to deal with raw meat, which bothers people for some reason. We always have dry food out for him if he wants it, but he doesn't eat it. He likes his Northwest Naturals, raw food and he eats it frozen or thawed even though we try to leave it to thaw.
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Re: I used to feed my doggy poison. :D

Postby Dakonic » Sun Apr 15, 2012 5:53 pm

And to add to it, I believe the Old Yeller brand had a very serious recall and was no longer produced? I remember something about a serious recall on it. *shrug*
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Re: I used to feed my doggy poison. :D

Postby Marley.&.Me » Sun Apr 15, 2012 6:01 pm

Dakonic wrote:And to add to it, I believe the Old Yeller brand had a very serious recall and was no longer produced? I remember something about a serious recall on it. *shrug*


Must not because they're still selling it, atleast where I live.
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