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Postby *StormCloud* » Fri Oct 11, 2024 4:36 pm

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it's storm !!! welcome to our abode >:)

my poetry ALSO will never see light of day.
im proud of it in my own little grimy hands but aint nobody gonna see my emotional turmoil

the 'writing last 20% of manuscript' and 'final edits' being so low is SO RELATABLE. ive written more words than ive spoke in my entire life, probably, and yet i just now finished my first manuscript. id be happy to help motivate you >:) and if youd like feedback, im ur guy fr fr

FANTASY/ROMANCE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. so sorry im a freak and thats what my Bloodborne is >:) i will gladly listen and provide my feedback. ive been told far and wide that im quite a yapper when it comes to drooling and frothing at the mouth over other peoples' ideas (and my own ok)

and don't worry about being busy !! anytime you get a chance to pop in you're welcome and i'll yap with you and share my two cents >:)

its so good to have you storm :>



TY!! I love talking about my work and talking through some of the plotting can be super helpful! Here's a (hopefully brief) outline to give you an idea of where I'm at:

Background; the fantasy world I'm working in is relatively low-magic - there are elves (think Tolkien-esque), dwarves (maybe?) wyrlings (general term for minor-magic creatures) around, but they are few and far between and are often thought to have died off or retreated to the far corners of the world. There are mages, but the mages are typically pretty limited - they are highly specialized and usually only capable of one type of magic (not going to go into too much detail on that but I do have an in-depth magic system). Currently the "cultivated" lands of the main continent are dealing with a really severe famine/crop disease that is causing a shift in populations & politcal climates. The famine also has a magical/evil element but I'm still figuring out what that looks like.

MCs;
    Fenri, MMC - Technically the prince of a small mountainous kingdom (that is really key for it's mountain passes/transport of goods, and also le special ore that can only be mined here) but he is a younger sibling and this kingdom allows the title to pass female heirs so he's just living his chill life as keeper of the aerie. "But everything changes when" his small nation is forced to go to war, one thing leads to another and basically he is forced to agree to a royal marriage with a neighboring kingdom in exchange for their support in said conflict.

    Bastian, MMC - (name is in the works, don't know if I love it but I need to call him something for now) he is a Guardsman - part of an old order of elves & men who have dedicated portions of their lives to service (often as recompense for wrongdoing). Also - still figuring this out, but Elves have this sort of hibernation thing they can do when gravely injured - Anyway he wakes up at the start of the book from this hibernation-like state and realizes that A. he isn't at home. B, hundreds of years have passed, C, he has no idea what happened to the Elvish capital (his home) and D, he has the magically calling to find & protect someone via his Guardsman oath. (Alternatively, I could ditch the whole Guardsman thing & just have him randomly happen to find Ari?? Need to figure this out too...)

    Lez'Ari/Ari, FMC - she is a mage who has trained since she was young at the Mage's Keep, a little stronghold where the big-main-kingdom-which-still-needs-a-name trains/brainwashes all their mages. It just so happens that she is one of the few exceptions to the whole "mages can only use one type of magic" thing and is actually freakishly powerful, which relates to how she was orphaned as a young child. Our story with her starts as she is "graduating" from mage school and being taken (under heavy guard) (side eye to big-main-kingdom-which-still-needs-a-name) to the capital.

    Couple things on the plot;
    To be clear - big-main-kingdom-which-still-needs-a-name (hereby known as BMKWSNAN) is also the one that is attacking Fenri's kingdom - BMKWSNAN is kind of desperate because of the famine but also has always been power hungry and using this as an excuse. Bastian intercepts Ari before she can reach the capital and has to try to convince her that BMKWSNAN is not a great as she thinks it is - in time to A, save her life, and B, hopefully use her powers to help prevent the approaching war. Fenri is kinda off doing his own awesome thing for most of the (first) book but his plot is very relevant to the main conflict politically.

    What I'm struggling with plot-wise;
    - Naming countries lol
    -I can't decide the logistics of the famine / source of evil / main source of conflict? The war with BMKWSNAN is a major conflict in book one, but dealing with the famine / evil is going to be a big deal and the main focus of the next book. And also very important to the world building, to understand how that works.
    - Honestly can't decide on the romance - either A, how romance-centered I want this to be, or B, whether I ultimately want Ari to end up with Bastian or Fenri? I kind of have two diverging plot lines where one of the guys... well.... spoilers, but it's the kind of thing that would be very helpful to know now lol. Happy to provide more character info/sketches if that helps.
    - I also had this related idea on the romance where because of the magical blood in elves, elvish touch has the power to effect human's emotions, it's a pretty small influence but it has lead to elves viewing relationships between elves & humans as icky because..... yeeaaah you get the idea. Which means that when Bastian clearly-and-inevitably falls for Ari, he has some serious moral quandaries about the whole situation (all of which is unknown to Ari since elves aren't around much anymore and not much is known about them). And I can't decide if I like this because of the drama/discourse it adds, or if it actually complicates things beyond a point of fixing. :')
    - I need to make a map and got into a very, very deep map-building software rabbit hole. Please send help.

    yeah hopefully that is brief enough lol. I appreciate thoughts from anyone on this c:


last edit for the night... probably.... but I also get really excited and might have left out some key details for that to make sense, feel free to ask questions as well!!

- Just kidding, another edit -
So I was reading about your book Ten! First thought - dumb question here probably but oc just means original character right? Does that just mean any character that is yours and not fanfic, ect, or does it mean something else too?
I am super curious about your Bloodborne/blood-arts, is that the werewolf-esque faction in your books? This totally sounds like something I would read!
Also, don't know if this is allowed here but I'm curious what your favorite authors/books series are? If you don't mind sharing c:

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Re: | Writers' Abode |

Postby tenor » Sat Oct 12, 2024 2:33 am

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imma do this piece by piece so forgive me >:)

The famine also has a magical/evil element but I'm still figuring out what that looks like.

is this meaning that the famine is gonna be like an antagonist on its own? like something causing the famine? that would be SO NEAT esp if you had a species that thrives off taking from the land to grow power >>>>>>>> but if i misread this then oopsie!!

"But everything changes when" his small nation is forced to go to war, one thing leads to another and basically he is forced to agree to a royal marriage with a neighboring kingdom in exchange for their support in said conflict.

"everything changed when the fire nation attacked" ahh
asdfghjkl i love this already go on go on, fenri >>>>>>

A. he isn't at home. B, hundreds of years have passed, C, he has no idea what happened to the Elvish capital (his home) and D, he has the magically calling to find & protect someone via his Guardsman oath. (Alternatively, I could ditch the whole Guardsman thing & just have him randomly happen to find Ari?? Need to figure this out too...)

atla inspired >>>>
ok i love the idea of guardsman esp if you want to make him severely overpowered (imma read up on ari and expand this thought)

she is one of the few exceptions to the whole "mages can only use one type of magic" thing and is actually freakishly powerful,

freakishly overpowered FMC is so boss of you. ari best girl >>>>>

Bastian intercepts Ari before she can reach the capital and has to try to convince her that BMKWSNAN is not a great as she thinks it is - in time to A, save her life, and B, hopefully use her powers to help prevent the approaching war. Fenri is kinda off doing his own awesome thing for most of the (first) book but his plot is very relevant to the main conflict politically.

in my novel, ten is separate from the rest of the crew for the first half of the book too >:) i kinda love this tho.
interest in what perspective you're using ? are you having fenri's pov and then bastian's, or just third person and going back between bastian/air and then fenri?

- Naming countries lol

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mine are so cool actually im so proud of
the north, healing arts, light arts country is "astria" (stars/celestial)
then the south, blood-arts, dark-arts is "tullohusk" (just a spookier more deathly name that i enjoy saying)
the east, with a bunch of trees and forest and lush greenery thats rarely inhabited is "marsht" (marsh....lol)
and the west, with a bunch of riots and anarchy and over-populated cities that are basically destroyed is "grendyl" (named after chaotic and grieving grendel from beowulf bc im a fool for beowulf)
i like symbolic names if you cant tell. then just 'tullohusk' LOL is so random but im a fool for it

-I can't decide the logistics of the famine / source of evil / main source of conflict? The war with BMKWSNAN is a major conflict in book one, but dealing with the famine / evil is going to be a big deal and the main focus of the next book. And also very important to the world building, to understand how that works.

commented on this in like the first feedback note so this is gonna be a short comment but i am very intrigued by this idea and would LOVE to help you figure this out >:) esp if we could tie it to fenri's story

- Honestly can't decide on the romance - either A, how romance-centered I want this to be, or B, whether I ultimately want Ari to end up with Bastian or Fenri? I kind of have two diverging plot lines where one of the guys... well.... spoilers, but it's the kind of thing that would be very helpful to know now lol. Happy to provide more character info/sketches if that helps.

im a fool for romance. my halith and amethyst end up together , then ive got a few other characters that pop in here and there as other side romances throughout the novel.
but for your lil trio, i would love to help you brainstorm your romance >:) my book is pretty chill and laid back. its got about one action scene per arc (theres 3 arcs total within Bloodborne, and one over-arching storyline). so basically 4 big scenes of action. but really thats only about 50 pages worth of the 500 ? everything else is character building and quests, a lot traveling and silly goofy scenes, and romance >>>> i don't have anything too adult in there, since im gearing my audience for a young-adult audience (altho i have written some adult scenes and my draft was more adult, i tried to tone it down so i could let my sis read the manuscript). feel free to expand more on this 🗣️🗣️🗣️

- I also had this related idea on the romance where because of the magical blood in elves, elvish touch has the power to effect human's emotions, it's a pretty small influence but it has lead to elves viewing relationships between elves & humans as icky because..... yeeaaah you get the idea. Which means that when Bastian clearly-and-inevitably falls for Ari, he has some serious moral quandaries about the whole situation (all of which is unknown to Ari since elves aren't around much anymore and not much is known about them). And I can't decide if I like this because of the drama/discourse it adds, or if it actually complicates things beyond a point of fixing. :')

ok but complicated romance is one of my favorite things >>> traumatic romance (not abuse but just weird ways of falling in love) is so nice. for example, my characters halith (hal) and amethyst pretty much hate each other for the first while bc hes a standoff jerkface. but then he goes psycho and bites her and for an undisclosed (spoiler) reason, he isn't able to kill her. the confusion stops his manic episode and it creates a soul-bind between the two.... usually when a fullblood bloodborne bites another person, it draws the lifeforce out of the victim and they die instantly. but a fullblood bite also creates a link so the fullblood can manipulate the blood of the victim. so thats what happened. halith bit amethyst and it created a blood-link so the blood in her is basically his own, and they are pretty much tied to each other even tho they hate each other.... they warm up to each other quick bc he feels so guilty about it (it was an accident, he loses control and goes manic when he goes psycho [the actual term for his psycho-mode is bloodlust ok])
anyways, halith and amethyst's romance/friendship was literally only possible bc he bit her and basically ruined the rest of her life (with their blood being linked, anytime halith gets hurt, the same injury happens to amethyst, but halith's blood can cure any wound on amethyst and amethyst's blood can cure halith's wounds. its a lot)
that was a lot but in summary, i think as long as you write it well and flesh out the characters, you can make anything work :>

- I need to make a map and got into a very, very deep map-building software rabbit hole. Please send help.

i want to know your software
i made a sketchup map:
( https://www.instagram.com/p/DA1KXRlvtrV/ if you have instagram )
but it sucks marbles :<

So I was reading about your book Ten! First thought - dumb question here probably but oc just means original character right? Does that just mean any character that is yours and not fanfic, ect, or does it mean something else too?
I am super curious about your Bloodborne/blood-arts, is that the werewolf-esque faction in your books? This totally sounds like something I would read!

YES ! oc = original character , so not fanfic/ previously used/ real life characters.
i say oc a lot in exchange for mc sometimes oof its just my past wattpad/ao3 writer self coming out im sorry lol
and the bloodborne/blood-arts is vampiric (halith, amethyst, ten, and a few more side characters [halith and ten are part of the royal family bloodline so they are fullblood aka overpowered and go into bloodlust when they have a rush of adrenaline + an open wound] [amethyst is just a normal bloodborne, can manipulate her blood and spilled blood] ), -- my werewolf-esque watchdogs dont have blood-arts ( tanner and a few side characters [female watchdogs look like humans, live as long as humans, cant transform, but have healing powers that are stronger than the northern healing magic in astria] [male watchdogs live until theyre killed, so literally could live forever if no one is able to kill them, transform into half-human half-dog super-strong, and are guardians to a chosen master. in tanner's case, halith.] )
i hope that answered everything you were confused on. its pretty complicated so feel free to ask more lol! im sorry im a yapper

Also, don't know if this is allowed here but I'm curious what your favorite authors/books series are? If you don't mind sharing c:

🗣️🗣️ this is gonna be so disappointing to hear, but im an upper-class english major so i have not read for pleasure in 4+ years. well, except being a beta reader to my pookie (@bud). i love fantasy genre, i wouldve probably loved twilight as a youngster but never got into it. i was definitely more on wattpad/ao3 reading fanfic and original works by smaller authors. i love civil chaos books (divergent/legend/giver) and i read quite a few fantasy novels as a youngster (dreamhouse king series/the dog warriors spin-off i forget what its called/ranger's apprentice, etc etc)

im sorry wow that was a lot i am a top-tier yapper

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(see my insta https://www.instagram.com/tenordoodles/ for character sketches. i aint an artist by any means and i cant draw the same face twice and my anatomy is crapoodie but yea)

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      Postby marinara sauce » Sat Oct 12, 2024 3:53 am

            i'm new to the writers' abode!

            you can call me: my username, or torrin ☝️☝️
            my pronouns are: she/her !!

            here's a bit about me/ my writing journey: i love to write short stories! therefore, character & world building is my forte - i love brainstorming different ideas & characters for my writing. i’m heavily influenced by twilight, warrior cats (as well as the survivors series), & the umbrella academy! i haven’t had an oc in years due to the fact that i love changing around characters often. most of what i write consists of romance, fantasy, and action. i love a good romance trope! i’m always thinking of new things to write about which is why i struggle staying committed to writing a lengthier story

            anything else? i love to info dump about my characters!! most of them have eeeeeeeeeelaborate backstories & such, designing and putting together characters and building a world around them is the best part x)
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      Re: | Writers' Abode |

      Postby tenor » Sat Oct 12, 2024 4:04 am

      marinara sauce wrote:
            i'm new to the writers' abode!

            you can call me: my username, or torrin ☝️☝️
            my pronouns are: she/her !!

            here's a bit about me/ my writing journey: i love to write short stories! therefore, character & world building is my forte - i love brainstorming different ideas & characters for my writing. i’m heavily influenced by twilight, warrior cats (as well as the survivors series), & the umbrella academy! i haven’t had an oc in years due to the fact that i love changing around characters often. most of what i write consists of romance, fantasy, and action. i love a good romance trope! i’m always thinking of new things to write about which is why i struggle staying committed to writing a lengthier story

            anything else? i love to info dump about my characters!! most of them have eeeeeeeeeelaborate backstories & such, designing and putting together characters and building a world around them is the best part x)


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      YIPPEEE MARINARA SAUCE / TORRIN (imma use torrin from now on what a cool name >>:) )
      welcome to our abode !!! >:)

      asdfghjkl a lot of my stories in the past are also short stories until i finally nailed down this novel >:)

      SURVIVORS THANNK YOU I WAS LOOKING FOR THAT >:))) i literally just mentioned that in my last post to storm lolll oopsie , i just called it the dog warrior-spin-off.

      i am also an absolute freak for fantasy/romance/action btw >:) it seems we will get along just swell >:)

      PLEASE info dump about your characters / world around them !! i would love to know if you have some characters or just character-types that are consistent throughout your short stories !! (personally, i think my character ten or a character suspiciously similar to ten has been around all of my stories since 2012, hence why i've taken up his name as my own , hes my main pov in most of my stories [ ... even tho my character tanner in my current series is literally me just dogified, but we wont talk about that. i like the name and character design of ten more ] )

      im SO HYPED to hear more from u torrin >:))) i love character backstories >>>>> esp trauma / loss unfortunatelly , a majority of my characters have been through hell

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          Re: | Writers' Abode |

          Postby *StormCloud* » Sat Oct 12, 2024 4:18 am

          tenor wrote:
          The famine also has a magical/evil element but I'm still figuring out what that looks like.

          is this meaning that the famine is gonna be like an antagonist on its own? like something causing the famine? that would be SO NEAT esp if you had a species that thrives off taking from the land to grow power >>>>>>>> but if i misread this then oopsie!!


          No that's exactly right! So I think it would be cool if the famine has a scientific cause - like an actual plant disease, it's a mutated gene or mold or something (which they don't understand, obviously) that is spread too fast and taking out all their crops. And because the crop is ruined, they don't have enough seed to replant for next year. #peasantproblems

          I'm thinking that either there is some nasty creature that feeds off of death/decay caused by the physical disease, or that the mutated plant genes are caused by whatever evil presence our real "bad guy" or evil force of nature is. Does that make sense? So they have to address the physical aspect of the plague but also take out the evil source.

          tenor wrote:
          "But everything changes when" his small nation is forced to go to war, one thing leads to another and basically he is forced to agree to a royal marriage with a neighboring kingdom in exchange for their support in said conflict.

          "everything changed when the first nation attacked" ahh
          asdfghjkl i love this already go on go on, fenri >>>>>>


          Yes I love his plot line, basically the neighboring country wants his older sis for marriage, but since she is heir to the throne and has been raised for it / the people love her, Fenri offers himself instead <3 He is my favorite, he doesn't have any powers or anything but he is just *cool*, he's a very laid back, free-spirited guy and is suddenly forced into this world of politics that he never thought he'd have to deal with!

          tenor wrote:
          A. he isn't at home. B, hundreds of years have passed, C, he has no idea what happened to the Elvish capital (his home) and D, he has the magically calling to find & protect someone via his Guardsman oath. (Alternatively, I could ditch the whole Guardsman thing & just have him randomly happen to find Ari?? Need to figure this out too...)

          atla inspired >>>>
          ok i love the idea of guardsman esp if you want to make him severely overpowered (imma read up on ari and expand this thought)


          Yeah so I was not going for atla at all, but I see the connection XD. I haven't 100% decided if I want the other elves to be around & just hiding, or all in hibernation, or what exactly, but it is a plot later in the books that they need help from the elves so he takes Ari back to the city of the elves....

          Currently he is not super OP, other than being an elf and being naturally faster/stronger than humans. And he has sick fighting skills. And minor magic. Okay maybe he is a little OP....

          tenor wrote:
          she is one of the few exceptions to the whole "mages can only use one type of magic" thing and is actually freakishly powerful,

          freakishly overpowered FMC is so boss of you. ari best girl >>>>>


          ik ik, but I am trying to make her more unique and not stereotypical overpowered FMC. She is really reserved from all her mage training (explained more later), and ACTUALLY clever (not like Violet-Sorrengail-clever, where everyone says how smart she is but 0.0) but Ari has trouble relating to people & sometimes difficulty processing emotions, also due to her upbringing. She also sucks at phsyical combat because that's not what she has trained in.

          I think of her and Bastian (thoughts on the name, btw?) as Ice and Sunshine. She is cold & reserved by nature and he is warmth & laughter. He can kick butt, of course, but his go-to mood is jovial. The one thing he takes very seriously, however, is his duty as a Guardsman.

          tenor wrote:
          Bastian intercepts Ari before she can reach the capital and has to try to convince her that BMKWSNAN is not a great as she thinks it is - in time to A, save her life, and B, hopefully use her powers to help prevent the approaching war. Fenri is kinda off doing his own awesome thing for most of the (first) book but his plot is very relevant to the main conflict politically.

          in my novel, ten is separate from the rest of the crew for the first half of the book too >:) i kinda love this tho.
          interest in what perspective you're using ? are you having fenri's pov and then bastian's, or just third person and going back between bastian/air and then fenri?


          So far I have been writing in 3rd person, but I might switch for a more personal/intimate take. It will be mostly from Ari & Fenri's povs, with some from Bastian here and there.

          tenor wrote:
          - Naming countries lol

          this
          mine are so cool actually im so proud of
          the north, healing arts, light arts country is "astria" (stars/celestial)
          then the south, blood-arts, dark-arts is "tullohusk" (just a spookier more deathly name that i enjoy saying)
          the east, with a bunch of trees and forest and lush greenery thats rarely inhabited is "marsht" (marsh....lol)
          and the west, with a bunch of riots and anarchy and over-populated cities that are basically destroyed is "grendyl" (named after chaotic and grieving grendel from beowulf bc im a fool for beowulf)
          i like symbolic names if you cant tell. then just 'tullohusk' LOL is so random but im a fool for it


          Those are really cool, I like when fantasy names are close enough to familiar names that we know what is being reference but it still sounds unique.

          tenor wrote:
          -I can't decide the logistics of the famine / source of evil / main source of conflict? The war with BMKWSNAN is a major conflict in book one, but dealing with the famine / evil is going to be a big deal and the main focus of the next book. And also very important to the world building, to understand how that works.

          commented on this in like the first feedback note so this is gonna be a short comment but i am very intrigued by this idea and would LOVE to help you figure this out >:) esp if we could tie it to fenri's story


          Ohhhhhh I actually really like that idea, it would be pretty easy to tie that to Fenri's story!

          tenor wrote:
          - Honestly can't decide on the romance - either A, how romance-centered I want this to be, or B, whether I ultimately want Ari to end up with Bastian or Fenri? I kind of have two diverging plot lines where one of the guys... well.... spoilers, but it's the kind of thing that would be very helpful to know now lol. Happy to provide more character info/sketches if that helps.

          im a fool for romance. my halith and amethyst end up together , then ive got a few other characters that pop in here and there as other side romances throughout the novel.
          but for your lil trio, i would love to help you brainstorm your romance >:) my book is pretty chill and laid back. its got about one action scene per arc (theres 3 arcs total within Bloodborne, and one over-arching storyline). so basically 4 big scenes of action. but really thats only about 50 pages worth of the 500 ? everything else is character building and quests, a lot traveling and silly goofy scenes, and romance >>>> i don't have anything too adult in there, since im gearing my audience for a young-adult audience (altho i have written some adult scenes and my draft was more adult, i tried to tone it down so i could let my sis read the manuscript). feel free to expand more on this 🗣️🗣️🗣️


          Ahhhhh that's so much content, proud of you! 500 pages is not easy dude. I feel that with the adult stuff, I have never written that kind of thing but I'm a little torn because it could be fun but also I want my book to be classy and friendly to younger audiences.

          Okay so basically I had originally intended for Ari & Bastian to be end game, but I'm a sucker for plot twists and I had this idea that Bastian could die near the end of book 1 while protecting Ari, and Ari and Fenri later get together (although.... type their names out next to each other just now I realized I probably want to change the spelling of one of them so they both don't end in i?) So I LOVE Ari and Bastian together, but I also love the idea of finding romance again in unexpected places / after all hope is lost ect, so I could really enjoy the Fenri/Ari romance too. (I'm a big fan of giving characters trauma and letting them have realistic responses to it) But I'm definitely not going love-triangle though, I won't make Ari pick XD

          tenor wrote:
          - I also had this related idea on the romance where because of the magical blood in elves, elvish touch has the power to effect human's emotions, it's a pretty small influence but it has lead to elves viewing relationships between elves & humans as icky because..... yeeaaah you get the idea. Which means that when Bastian clearly-and-inevitably falls for Ari, he has some serious moral quandaries about the whole situation (all of which is unknown to Ari since elves aren't around much anymore and not much is known about them). And I can't decide if I like this because of the drama/discourse it adds, or if it actually complicates things beyond a point of fixing. :')

          ok but complicated romance is one of my favorite things >>> traumatic romance (not abuse but just weird ways of falling in love) is so nice. for example, my characters halith (hal) and amethyst pretty much hate each other for the first while bc hes a standoff jerkface. but then he goes psycho and bites her and for an undisclosed (spoiler) reason, he isn't able to kill her. the confusion stops his manic episode and it creates a soul-bind between the two.... usually when a fullblood bloodborne bites another person, it draws the lifeforce out of the victim and they die instantly. but a fullblood bite also creates a link so the fullblood can manipulate the blood of the victim. so thats what happened. halith bit amethyst and it created a blood-link so the blood in her is basically his own, and they are pretty much tied to each other even tho they hate each other.... they warm up to each other quick bc he feels so guilty about it (it was an accident, he loses control and goes manic when he goes psycho [the actual term for his psycho-mode is bloodlust ok])
          anyways, halith and amethyst's romance/friendship was literally only possible bc he bit her and basically ruined the rest of her life (with their blood being linked, anytime halith gets hurt, the same injury happens to amethyst, but halith's blood can cure any wound on amethyst and amethyst's blood can cure halith's wounds. its a lot)
          that was a lot but in summary, i think as long as you write it well and flesh out the characters, you can make anything work :>


          ..... Okay, I'm sold, when can I read this???
          (Also that's helpful, I'll have to think more on this but it's good to know that you think it's doable.)

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          - I need to make a map and got into a very, very deep map-building software rabbit hole. Please send help.

          i want to know your software
          i made a sketchup map:
          ( https://www.instagram.com/p/DA1KXRlvtrV/ if you have instagram )
          but it sucks marbles :<


          I downloaded Nortantis, which is good, and there was another one that I can't find now that let you mess with planet temperature, tectonic plates & time lapse and all sorts of stuff - which was really cool, but I actually know how my world should look I just need help getting it *pretty* and those softwares mostly use randomly generated stuff and let you edit it.

          tenor wrote:YES ! oc = original character , so not fanfic/ previously used/ real life characters.
          i say oc a lot in exchange for mc sometimes oof its just my past wattpad/ao3 writer self coming out im sorry lol
          and the bloodborne/blood-arts is vampiric (halith, amethyst, ten, and a few more side characters [halith and ten are part of the royal family bloodline so they are fullblood aka overpowered and go into bloodlust when they have a rush of adrenaline + an open wound] [amethyst is just a normal bloodborne, can manipulate her blood and spilled blood] ), -- my werewolf-esque watchdogs dont have blood-arts ( tanner and a few side characters [female watchdogs look like humans, live as long as humans, cant transform, but have healing powers that are stronger than the northern healing magic in astria] [male watchdogs live until theyre killed, so literally could live forever if no one is able to kill them, transform into half-human half-dog super-strong, and are guardians to a chosen master. in tanner's case, halith.] )
          i hope that answered everything you were confused on. its pretty complicated so feel free to ask more lol! im sorry im a yapper


          No problem! Your world sounds super cool, like I said it definitely sounds like something I would read & want to know more about!

          tenor wrote:🗣️🗣️ this is gonna be so disappointing to hear, but im an upper-class english major so i have not read for pleasure in 4+ years. well, except being a beta reader to my pookie (@bud). i love fantasy genre, i wouldve probably loved twilight as a youngster but never got into it. i was definitely more on wattpad/ao3 reading fanfic and original works by smaller authors. i love civil chaos books (divergent/legend/giver) and i read quite a few fantasy novels as a youngster (dreamhouse king series/the dog warriors spin-off i forget what its called/ranger's apprentice, etc etc)


          Ahhhhhh that makes sense. I was a stem major, but a huge english/writing nerd and actually worked at the writing center for a while at my community college. Also, I barely have time to read physical books anymore but I go through audiobooks like they're nothing, 10/10 would recommend if you have a commute or anything like that.

          Anyway. That took a while :') Thanks for taking the time to respond so thoroughly!

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          Postby tenor » Sat Oct 12, 2024 4:57 am

          *StormCloud* wrote:-snipp- doing bit by bit again!!


          No that's exactly right! So I think it would be cool if the famine has a scientific cause - like an actual plant disease, it's a mutated gene or mold or something (which they don't understand, obviously) that is spread too fast and taking out all their crops. And because the crop is ruined, they don't have enough seed to replant for next year. #peasantproblems

          I'm thinking that either there is some nasty creature that feeds off of death/decay caused by the physical disease, or that the mutated plant genes are caused by whatever evil presence our real "bad guy" or evil force of nature is. Does that make sense? So they have to address the physical aspect of the plague but also take out the evil source.

          as a freak for bad guys im definitely leaning towards the second option >:) im also not very knowledgeable about plants/science, so that sways my bias as well !! i'd definitely try to mark down what you want ur bad guy to be, cuz that'll decide this, basically >:) if he is a mad scientist or somethin he could have created the mutated gene to cause the famine on purpose :> but because of my area of expertise in creating absolutely chaotic and psychopathic characters, i would be doing the evil bad guy that perhaps uses the life from the land to gain power , esp if he was on the throne/on the council/military general of the opposing nation >:)

          Yes I love his plot line, basically the neighboring country wants his older sis for marriage, but since she is heir to the throne and has been raised for it / the people love her, Fenri offers himself instead <3 He is my favorite, he doesn't have any powers or anything but he is just *cool*, he's a very laid back, free-spirited guy and is suddenly forced into this world of politics that he never thought he'd have to deal with!

          asdfghjkl im so excited to eventually hear about how he's gonna tie into ari n bastian's storyline , and genuinely just to hear about how you're executing his perspective of things happening disconnected from the other two :>>> fenri sounds so chill im <3

          Yeah so I was not going for atla at all, but I see the connection XD. I haven't 100% decided if I want the other elves to be around & just hiding, or all in hibernation, or what exactly, but it is a plot later in the books that they need help from the elves so he takes Ari back to the city of the elves....

          Currently he is not super OP, other than being an elf and being naturally faster/stronger than humans. And he has sick fighting skills. And minor magic. Okay maybe he is a little OP....

          ITS OK TO HAVE MULTIPLE OP CHARACTERS >>>>>> esp if ur evil guy is gonna be an absolute chaos hellbringer >:)
          well you could have it to where all the other elves are still in the city of elves but there might be some reason they can't leave ?? but bastian wakes up from his hibernation being, well, not in it. and so he would be like the only elf or a VERY RARE OCCURRENCE outside of the city :>

          Bastian (thoughts on the name, btw?)

          i have a minor character i wrote my whole draft manuscript as 'stan' and changed him to 'stoic' 🗣️🗣️🗣️ so you could just see where his name leads you and if you like it at the end. its not a chore to 'replace all' LOL
          but bastian is giving 'big, burly, strong, disney princess love interest type' so if that's the vibe you're going for, bet. i love the name bastian >:)

          ik ik, but I am trying to make her more unique and not stereotypical overpowered FMC. She is really reserved from all her mage training (explained more later), and ACTUALLY clever (not like Violet-Sorrengail-clever, where everyone says how smart she is but 0.0) but Ari has trouble relating to people & sometimes difficulty processing emotions, also due to her upbringing. She also sucks at phsyical combat because that's not what she has trained in.

          I think of her and Bastian (thoughts on the name, btw?) as Ice and Sunshine. She is cold & reserved by nature and he is warmth & laughter. He can kick butt, of course, but his go-to mood is jovial. The one thing he takes very seriously, however, is his duty as a Guardsman.

          the more you talk about ari the more im in love w her ok
          the 'ice and sunshine' trope is so cute 'black cat and golden retriever' vibes. im shipping these two rn , also bc fenri aint a part of their storyline yet. BUT these two could always be best buds / a duo and then fenri and ari get together if u wanted to do that. anything you think of that clicks in ur mind, im confident you could make work >:)

          So far I have been writing in 3rd person, but I might switch for a more personal/intimate take. It will be mostly from Ari & Fenri's povs, with some from Bastian here and there.

          ive always done first-person but it really just depends on the vibe you want !! third-person is sometimes easier bc you can tell what everyone's thinking, esp if bastian has some thoughts that wouldn't be spoken in ari's first-person pov. but :> creative freedom is a thing and you could totally do first-person with all of them switching out depending on the scene !

          Ohhhhhh I actually really like that idea, it would be pretty easy to tie that to Fenri's story!

          i wanna hear more about fenri's storyline 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️ and how you think you could tie together the big bad evil of the famine to fenri's storyline >:) it would def give fenri some spotlight just in case readers get so involved in ari/bastian that they push aside poor fenri <3

          (although.... type their names out next to each other just now I realized I probably want to change the spelling of one of them so they both don't end in i?)

          not me having 'tanner and tenor' which sound suspiciously close..... LOL i think its the end of the world for characters' names to sound close :> its up to you !! it would be a cute lil foreshadowing if u ended up having those 2 together

          Ahhhhh that's so much content, proud of you! 500 pages is not easy dude.

          -pepe shy-
          :> thanks

          I feel that with the adult stuff, I have never written that kind of thing but I'm a little torn because it could be fun but also I want my book to be classy and friendly to younger audiences.

          also you can always make 2 books , esp if u print the younger audience one and then just include adult parts / change up the story a bit for an online adult version >:)))) creative freedom >>>>> (i thought about doing this but ugh what a hassle. ill keep my adult version in my own grimy lil hands

          Okay so basically I had originally intended for Ari & Bastian to be end game, but I'm a sucker for plot twists and I had this idea that Bastian could die near the end of book 1 while protecting Ari, and Ari and Fenri later get together (although.... type their names out next to each other just now I realized I probably want to change the spelling of one of them so they both don't end in i?) So I LOVE Ari and Bastian together, but I also love the idea of finding romance again in unexpected places / after all hope is lost ect, so I could really enjoy the Fenri/Ari romance too. (I'm a big fan of giving characters trauma and letting them have realistic responses to it) But I'm definitely not going love-triangle though, I won't make Ari pick XD

          !! bastian dying >>>>>> A+ plot twist esp as a guardian :>> that is actually so crazy of you
          and of course ari and fenri could just be friendly buds until later on after ari processes her grief <3
          theres so many possibilities, honestly, with this >:)

          ..... Okay, I'm sold, when can I read this???
          (Also that's helpful, I'll have to think more on this but it's good to know that you think it's doable.)

          (im still in the process of narrowing down prologues bc genuinely 100+ pages are just prologue EUGH but if youre willing to bypass and ignore that i am pretty much done w it -shrug- )

          I downloaded Nortantis, which is good, and there was another one that I can't find now that let you mess with planet temperature, tectonic plates & time lapse and all sorts of stuff - which was really cool, but I actually know how my world should look I just need help getting it *pretty* and those softwares mostly use randomly generated stuff and let you edit it.

          asdfghjkl i tried using an ai software somewhere for it and it just lookin goofy ahh
          we need a good map-making software :< i'll check out nortantis if i ever get bored enough >:) at least for my manuscripts, rn my sketch is fine enough LOL

          I barely have time to read physical books anymore but I go through audiobooks like they're nothing, 10/10 would recommend if you have a commute or anything like that.

          please if you have any recommendations that wouldnt cost an arm and a leg , and a place to listen to them, i would be 100% down. again, probably centered around fantasy/romance genre >:)


          asdfgjgjkl i love hearing about ur story so far. theres so many possible ways it could go and i am so hyped to keep hearing about it
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              | Writers' Abode |

              Postby marinara sauce » Sat Oct 12, 2024 5:46 am

              tenor wrote:SURVIVORS THANNK YOU I WAS LOOKING FOR THAT >:))) i literally just mentioned that in my last post to storm lolll oopsie , i just called it the dog warrior-spin-off.

                    LMAO yes of course, glad i could help
                    i loved reading erin hunter books, i am committed to reading warriors until they give up on making new books :twisted:
                    i’m actually almost caught up now! i binge read a BUNCH of warriors books and now i’m only two books away from being on their most recent release 😭😭 i haven’t been reading since third grade to NOT know what the heck the endings gonna look like!!

              tenor wrote:PLEASE info dump about your characters / world around them !! i would love to know if you have some characters or just character-types that are consistent throughout your short stories !![/size]

                    i think i misspoke in my first post (i haven’t spoken of having an OC in years as you can tell), i create all of my characters, i just don’t have one that i’ve used more than twice anywhere and have multiple pieces of art for… if that makes sense? i haven’t been this involved since 2018 so forgive me if i sound uneducated 😭

                    i used to have a changeling oc named Alabama in 2015-16ish that i loved dearly and was involved in almost all of my stories. just as a different life form. she is who i can tell you the most about! pretty much the only exception to what i said above about my characters lol
                    she’s quite unlike an average changeling (who shifts forms at will and is aware of this). i liked to think that whenever she changed into another being it was unintentional. she would also take on a new set of memories, personality, etcetera. the only thing that stayed the same was her looks (entirely brown fur with white paws - as a human she’d always wear white gloves / arm warmers)! i enjoyed the idea of that because then i wasn’t writing new material with an ”old” character. i think that’s just how my brain (who thinks at a speed of five hundred miles per hour) rolls! 🏎️
                    however it is not easy living that way and i think an existential crisis is inevitable after living ten different lives as one soul LOL. i never wrote about that specifically but if i were to revisit her character it would be something along the lines of her ‘gaining consciousness’ / becoming self aware and spiraling downhill as she tries to find a sense of self (spoiler alert: she can’t because her whole life has revolved around the fact that she lives OTHER lives)… which ends in her demise x_x . OR i could give her a love interest who helps her out with the hefty task of self-discovery... and could also help with honing her ability… i might have just figured out a new story!? :0

                    she was based in a multiverse world with pretty much every movie/book/show that i’ve ever wanted to write about. everything’s occurring in the same universe. my logic is flawed there but this is my writing so let’s just pretend it’s not. she was a warrior cat at some point and not long after she was a high school student! LMAO

                    i definitely write about different characters who have been through similar situations or have lived similar lives! there have been a few instances where my stories are inspired by my thoughts or what i’ve lived through. and there are multiple characters that have been based off of myself or people that i know!
                    there are quite a few characters throughout my writings that—if they lived in the same universe—could definitely hit it off and be best friends lol.
                    i think i like to write about and create antags the most, creating a character that opposes the protag is so fun, muahaha

              tenor wrote:im SO HYPED to hear more from u torrin >:))) i love character backstories >>>>> esp trauma / loss unfortunatelly , a majority of my characters have been through hell

                    thank you!!! same here!!!
                    also this is true for me too, a majority of my characters have trauma. unfortunately it adds character :what:
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              Re: | Writers' Abode |

              Postby tenor » Sat Oct 12, 2024 6:22 am

              marinara sauce wrote:--snippy poo-- going bit by bit !!



              i loved reading erin hunter books, i am committed to reading warriors until they give up on making new books :twisted:
              i’m actually almost caught up now! i binge read a BUNCH of warriors books and now i’m only two books away from being on their most recent release 😭😭 i haven’t been reading since third grade to NOT know what the heck the endings gonna look like!!

              this is so insanely committed of you 😭😭😭

              i create all of my characters, i just don’t have one that i’ve used more than twice anywhere and have multiple pieces of art for… if that makes sense?

              oh of course !! you're ok ! i strictly was wondering, especially with short stories, if some side characters or anything were similar :> (or main characters being super similar!) no worries !! i think i might be a special case using ten in most of my work haha, all of my other characters are always unique, but ten sticks around in alternate universes >:)

              i used to have a changeling oc named Alabama in 2015-16ish that i loved dearly and was involved in almost all of my stories. just as a different life form. she is who i can tell you the most about! pretty much the only exception to what i said above about my characters lol
              she’s quite unlike an average changeling (who shifts forms at will and is aware of this). i liked to think that whenever she changed into another being it was unintentional. she would also take on a new set of memories, personality, etcetera. the only thing that stayed the same was her looks (entirely brown fur with white paws - as a human she’d always wear white gloves / arm warmers)! i enjoyed the idea of that because then i wasn’t writing new material with an ”old” character. i think that’s just how my brain (who thinks at a speed of five hundred miles per hour) rolls! 🏎️

              alabama sounds so cool ! esp if she's in multiple works as a different personality you could always make alternate universes and excuse it as that >:) if i ever publish more than one book w ten (which i probably wont honestly, if i start another series itll be with fresh characters), but i could always just pass it off as alternate universes >:) would make up for alabama's change of personality, different family structure, friends, etc!!

              however it is not easy living that way and i think an existential crisis is inevitable after living ten different lives as one soul LOL. i never wrote about that specifically but if i were to revisit her character it would be something along the lines of her ‘gaining consciousness’ / becoming self aware and spiraling downhill as she tries to find a sense of self (spoiler alert: she can’t because her whole life has revolved around the fact that she lives OTHER lives)… which ends in her demise x_x . OR i could give her a love interest who helps her out with the hefty task of self-discovery... and could also help with honing her ability… i might have just figured out a new story!? :0

              OK DISREGARD WHAT I SAID, THIS THIS THIS!
              especially if she's able to learn to control the ability that would be so insane :> and you could flesh out the ability a bit more to make it beneficial to the story somehow ? >:) cuz honestly right now it just sounds so miserable for poor alabama 😭😭

              she was based in a multiverse world with pretty much every movie/book/show that i’ve ever wanted to write about. everything’s occurring in the same universe. my logic is flawed there but this is my writing so let’s just pretend it’s not. she was a warrior cat at some point and not long after she was a high school student! LMAO

              why is this so cute 😭😭😭 you can have whatever logic you wanna have 🗣️🗣️🗣️ esp if youre able to get the reader to understand it >:) alabama COULD always just be a kitty/human crossover so depending on the person she has to be to fit the new persona, she could switch between human and kitty :> and that would make sense both for her past stories with you and if you ever wanted to write a drawn-out piece :O

              i definitely write about different characters who have been through similar situations or have lived similar lives! there have been a few instances where my stories are inspired by my thoughts or what i’ve lived through. and there are multiple characters that have been based off of myself or people that i know!
              there are quite a few characters throughout my writings that—if they lived in the same universe—could definitely hit it off and be best friends lol.

              MEEEEEEE ME ME ME ME
              all of my characters have little bits and pieces of trauma or relationships that correlate to my experiences :> i love using writing as a way to work through my own crap LOL like watching my characters burn and break down then either 1- spiral into oblivion or 2- turn out ok :> im just a sucker for emotional turmoil i think, and making my own experiences relate to the story >:)

              i think i like to write about and create antags the most, creating a character that opposes the protag is so fun, muahaha

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              CREATING ANTAGONISTS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
              i love the foil trope of an antagonist that is just the dark version of the MC,
              or literally just the opposite of everything about them - my character ten goes through a phase in my second book where he spirals and goes insane and literally starts seeing a hallucination who becomes the antagonist for a while (he's 'the man in the mirror' , literally just ten but with all of his physical trauma and emotional trauma telling ten to do bad things and ten listens bc well hes just listening to himself at the point)
              i love developing chaotic and psychopathic characters >:)

              a majority of my characters have trauma. unfortunately it adds character :what:

              😭😭😭😭 i feel for my characters and rereading my book im always like 'why did i do that😭' buuuut its always relevant to the plot and makes the characters who they are and i just have to keep reminding myself of that 😭


              are you looking to ever make a series ? :> this whole alabama shtick could be pretty cool and there's so many possibilities that would actually be so swag in a series of short stories (like magic tree house type biz where its all like 50-100 page one-offs about the same characters with a big overarching storyline)

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                  Postby *StormCloud* » Sat Oct 12, 2024 7:22 am

                  It's too much work to get the quotes right on mobile so bare with me :')

                  1. Evil bad guy/plague situation
                  Yeah at this point I'm basically assuming that I will need to have a physical antagonist of some sort, I'm just working on coming up with something that isn't cliche! It's hard when I've heard so much of this genre, I want to come up with something cool/unique but also fits the vibe of the book?? My best idea closest thing to a good idea right now is this - some sort of necromancer or ancient mage who is rallying an army behind the scenes (and manipulating our main country's leadership is part of that), he may not have created the plague but he did magically alter it/tie it to his wraiths/shadow beasts so that where the plague spreads, his minions gain power.

                  There's also a form of magic called shadowing walking (or soul casting, haven't decided which) which is pretty much what it sounds like, let's the mage leave their body and walk as ghost basically - so I could potentially have the big Antag be a shadow walker who had also learned to inhabit other bodies.......... Oooooooh I like of like this.
                  Anyway. Moving on for the moment.

                  Wait wait okay!! Here is the idea: big antagonist is actually a council of ancient mages who got stuck in that shadow form, but during a traumatic/fatal event that left their consciousnesses tied together. Therefore they now are some sort of multiple -personality spectral blorb who all have the general intent to get enough power to restore their physical forms, but disagree how to do it.

                  I like this a lot. Am I crazy?

                  Side note - this would definitely be a problem big enough for multiple OP characters lol

                  Fenri
                  Sorry ten, he actually has the least developed plot line :') but I will update yoooooooooou

                  Bastian
                  He's definitely not big-burly-disney-prince type, he is an elf so slim/graceful ect, but I I think I was drawn to the name because the word bastion reminds me of protection / beacon of Hope and that does very much reflect his character. I could probably find a more elvish sounding name for him though.

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                  Re: | Writers' Abode |

                  Postby Little Trickster » Sat Oct 12, 2024 7:34 am

                  Okay, I just had an idea for a character, what do y'all think?

                  Her name is Alex Davis and she's an inter dimensional time traveling detective. She has a shape shifting time machine with a mind of its own. Random quirk is she never uses doorknobs and no one knows why. She usually goes by Davis
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