✨ Trading New OMGSRs Discussion

[lil rascal]

I don’t want to say combine all the threads but since there are so many I’m going to just share a link to a post by me that also links to another post by me so I can share my opinion, lol. Basically, I’ve always managed to get these pets (usually offsite or C$ trades) but this is the first time I’ve felt like it might be possible for me to participate in this trading scene of pets for pets, and these are my thoughts on value. (All opinions my own/unrelated to being staff.)

Forum/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=4899188&start=90#p142997062
Edit: fixed link
Please especially look at the last paragraph of that post.

Hope people go and read this linked post as it eloquently sums up what some of us have been saying here.

I find it crazy that CS has gotten to the state that C$ and offsite trades are the only way to trade without going stir crazy, and even they’ve skyrocketed for high rarity in recent years. Surely we should be wanting a reasonable way to trade onsite?

Loelya it is hard keeping up with the multiple threads discussing the same thing but I don’t know if combining them at this stage is a good idea as I would worry it would stop people posting if their points were overlooked and not included as being significant parts of the discussion. In a rush and don’t know if that makes sense but just don’t want people to stop posting now that there’s finally some conversations going.

[Cavus]

^ I agree that store pets are very different to regular release pets. Maybe they should be a separate discussion to the other OMGSRs.

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I don't really get why people want OMGSRs to trade 1:1 when they won't trade lower rarities 1:1? People talk about how much the older commons are worth more than the newer commons. Why are the OMGSRs different? They may be less age based but they still have a breadth of rarity and demand, just like the commons. If we are to say that 1 common = 2 commons if there is a large rarity/demand gap between them, why wouldn't 1 omgsr = 2 omgsr if they have the same gap?

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Snipping the quote.

Hey Solloby!

I think a lot of people are thinking what is being said here is a 1:1 swap, but they aren’t seeing some of (at least my) responses about that.I don’t think anyone here has said OMGSR trades have to always be 1:1 swaps, but what has been said is how crazy it is that people pay a lot for one pet, and that has been made normal. What you said about 2:1- that seems reasonable depending on demand (cuz demand will always be in play) but when it comes to 4+ for one, that’s where I feel like we are getting into dangerous territory where overpayment becomes a norm.

Even with these trades, imo, those are a HECKN LOT of (not just normal but WL) pets including the OMGSR on the other persons side for just 1 pet. But even then, threads told you they were underpaying. It has become a norm to overpay on CS, and I think that is in part due to inflation of demand. It makes me wonder if that person would have even suggested that trade if they knew everyone thought it was underpay. They might have held off because they were told they didn’t have enough, which would have in turn kept you from the trade that made you happy and made them happy based on what everyone else thought. To me, that’s a serious problem since the fun of CS was trading and seeing what trades you can make with others.

As much as I choose to overpay for things (even just regular commons lol) I don’t think everyone wants to do this, especially when every high value pet counts. It’s nice that these people had all these pets to trade, but not everyone does, and I’m not just talkin newer players. I’ve been on CS since 2012 and I still don’t have that many pets to trade for just 1.

I am so happy you were happy with the outcome, and that you got a lot of pets for your 2, but the problem is the mentality that that still “wasn’t enough”.

It’s all based on a thread, and despite you being absolutely okay with these trades whether people felt it was unfair or not, the problem is still that people said you needed more. This mentality only then keeps people from trading because they are worried what they are trying to suggest would be considered underpay, and CS users are notorious for being rude when you do send a trade and they think you are purposefully underpaying. That is a toxic issue that holds people back from just trading and working something out with the other person.

Also I appreciate you sharing your experience too! For me I probably would have felt heartbroken about how I was robbed back then because of what threads were saying only to look back now and be like “yo idk what the heck they were talking about.” Lol

[Solloby]

Solloby

I think its super important to be happy with your trades. If getting value back was important in those trades then id feel different but you seem to love what you got thats all that matters. That first one though makes my heart hurt thinking what that low ID would have been looking at its date but again. you were happy and they were so who cares what others think! I have overpaid like mad for stuff i wanted too. My first skelebun i paid over 20 non for as i was so excited to get the rarest pet in the game

I actually still have his littermate who has an even lower ID at 957 c:

I think that people forget that demand matters a lot less with wishlist pets compared to if you are looking for trading stock.

One of the things I hated most about fair trade thread before it was cleaned up, is that it didn't matter how unfair a trade was rarity wise, if a pet was low demand people would basically say it's worthless don't trade for it. Like I'd share a trade for a rat on my wishlist, and people would say "the rat is low demand so I wouldn't accept that" even though my pet was lower rarity aka the other trader had considered the demand and adjust their ask accordingly. But I wanted the rat so why did the demand matter?

People would get stuck with pets tainted with the "low demand" label that they could not trade out unless they practically gave them away for a pet two rarity tags lower purely because people in FTT would tell the traders on the other end "their pet is lower demand, I wouldn't accept it" while completely ignoring the fact that the supposed low demand pet was *significantly* rarer and harder to find. Worse still, a lot of the so-called "low demand" pets weren't even low demand. People said Zebras were terrible demand. Back in ye olde days, Nick posted in the forums a couple of times with a list of the "most wishlisted pets" on the website. Guess which pets were near the top of the list? Zebras.

Sorry for the tangential rant. Sometimes I wish we had demand indicators based on number of pets wishlisted by active players. But that would probably destroy the CS economy haha. Let's not ask for that.

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but.it.isnt.overpay

a sunback is 4 nons, a Sunjewel 3, so, you need to add 1 non to add up to the value of an Sunback. An OMGSR is not automaticly same valued as another OMGSR. There can be an omgsr that has only 100 copies, it wont be less rarer then a pet that has still 7k copies in the game (a drastic example ^^) so....you say its a fair swap...an omgsr that is only 100 times in the whole game, for an pet that is 7k times in a game so its more likely to be found then the one with 100 copies (where, again an extrem example!! maybe 50 copies are on inactive accounts)

Ok I've missed what part of this conversation is about, but I just wanted to point out that Sunjewels are rarer than Sunbacks. Sunjewel was the rare outcome of the litter, we knew that back in 2008. So the idea of Sunbacks going for more than Sunjewels confuses the heck out of me, ngl.

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Lacuna, I love your post on the other thread! It's fantastic <3
And yes, in case anybody was confused my opinions are just my own and not as a staff member. As an archivist I don't have access to any insider knowledge about pet rarities, I just have memories from 2008 when I first played the game.

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Also I appreciate you sharing your experience too! For me I probably would have felt heartbroken about how I was robbed back then because of what threads were saying only to look back now and be like “yo idk what the heck they were talking about.” Lol

That's basically exactly how I felt haha. I had no idea how toxic FTT was in those days. I hope it's a lot better now, I do know a bit of a crackdown happened during the dismantling of the Rares List. I must admit that I don't visit FTT anymore though, but I have been a bit slack with my UR trading so I haven't really had the need. I am behind by quite a few years now, they are hard to keep up with.

For me if I want to trade for a high value pet like an OMGSR UR, I will forum search my pets and their pets to try and work out what other people are trading them for.

[SolarSonnet]

I've missed a lot of conversation so I'm just gunna weigh in on one thing from the above post:

I'd love to hear takes from people who were actually around in 2008. Like, what the ACTUAL common, uncommon and rare outcomes of the litters were. Because I think that's going to be our most reliable information about how "rare" pets are.

Hearing that the Sunback was not the rare outcome is genuinely surprising considering it goes for more than the Sunjewel now.

I know that, technically, more people with Sunbacks could have gone inactive than people with Sunjewels, and now the Sunback could be rarer. But, like, hearing that the Sunjewel was definitely rarer back then makes me think they should probably at least evenly swap?

[Solloby]

Forum/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=2631
I made this back in 2008, but the site was very new so it was based on very small amounts of litters (plus rarity tags did NOT exist, so the rarities listed were my GUESSES, not actual fact). The one thing I am a little confused about is why I thought Dogtag was rarer than Moonswirl. I am not confident in that assessment at all.

But I am 100% positive that Sunjewel is rarer than Sunback, that's the way it definitely was in 2008, and it went OMGSR long before Sunback as well. Let me find some rarity facts about these litters... here we go:

Sunjewel
August 2011: VR to OMGsr!
? 2011: OMGsr to VR!
January 2012: VR to OMGsr!

Moonswirl
November 2011: VR to OMGsr!
December 2011: OMGsr to VR!
April 2012: VR to OMGsr!

Dogtag
December 2011: VR to OMGsr!
December 2011: OMGsr to VR!
May 2012: VR to OMGsr!

July PPS
June 2012: VR to OMGsr!

Sunback didn't hit OMGSR until 2013, and it went at exactly the same time as Nonswirl, Nontag, Nonjewel, and interestingly Coontail. Forum/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=485908&p=65146406#p65146406

So Sunback shouldn't be worth more than 1 Non because it's the same rarity as a Non. Maybe a little could be added for demand, but multiple nons? Why?

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Unrelated, but while I was looking for my old 08 guide, I stumbled upon a rat rarity guide I made a few years ago. I might go through some of these rats to see if they have all stayed within their rarity groups, or if the new rarity change has separated any of them.
Forum/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=4342372

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Ok what is up with these OMGSRs? They didn't make it into the Rat Rarity Guide because they weren't VR when some of the other ones were. But now they are OMGSR? These are such random rats too, just normal litter outcomes. What's even more unexpected is that they've leapfrogged rats that were previously higher rarity than them - Tier 7 on my rarity guide.

March 09:


April 09:


July 09:


No other random pets from these Jan - June 09 are OMGSR except for ones already on our radar as high rarity - Nick Unicorn, Rose Rat, WWA, Dark Shima BFW, Racecar Spider.

I see Deer PPS went OMGSR too, which is interesting. It was never given the attention Wolf PPS was, yet now it shares a rarity tag.


PPS lightning pony is OMGSR, plus this random BFW.


2009 is a very interesting year rarity-wise.

[SolarSonnet]

(snip)
Sunjewel
August 2011: VR to OMGsr!
? 2011: OMGsr to VR!
January 2012: VR to OMGsr!

Moonswirl
November 2011: VR to OMGsr!
December 2011: OMGsr to VR!
April 2012: VR to OMGsr!

Dogtag
December 2011: VR to OMGsr!
December 2011: OMGsr to VR!
May 2012: VR to OMGsr!

July PPS
June 2012: VR to OMGsr!

(snip, but also the rat thing o: )

This is SUPER interesting! It might just be a factor of, again, people going inactive with more of a certain pet on their account, it's interesting that the threshold has changed so much, though.

I didn't know that there didn't used to be rarity tags.

I was just thinking earlier that part of me wishes rarity tags didn't exist, and then everybody would just be trading on vibes and demand alone and if you liked a pet's design more, you'd keep it. And there'd be a couple of people trying to keep count of pets and making up what they think the rarities would be and it'd just be a huge mess, so it probably wouldn't be a good idea.

[lil rascal]

I’m not from ‘08 but back when I joined in ‘11 it was considered common knowledge that the Sunjewel was much rarer than the Sunback and Non-Jewel. In fact back then the Sunjewel was considered the elite of the elite and would never have swapped 1:1 for an UR Tiger, let alone require additional pets on the Sunjewel side.
The Old FTTs are quite interesting to get an idea of what the general trade values of some pets were back then. I think many people would be amazed at how the views on higher pets have changed over the years.

I’ve always found it interesting that the Dogtag and Moonswirl went up, down and up again so closely together, they were obviously almost identical in numbers.

[Metax]

Not sure if this has been posted here yet, but check out the CS OMGSR Pet Popularity Poll thread by ♥Princess of Lions♥. The more responses this gets, the better. c:

[Bluefly26799]

I actually still have his littermate who has an even lower ID at 957 c:

I think that people forget that demand matters a lot less with wishlist pets compared to if you are looking for trading stock.

One of the things I hated most about fair trade thread before it was cleaned up, is that it didn't matter how unfair a trade was rarity wise, if a pet was low demand people would basically say it's worthless don't trade for it. Like I'd share a trade for a rat on my wishlist, and people would say "the rat is low demand so I wouldn't accept that" even though my pet was lower rarity aka the other trader had considered the demand and adjust their ask accordingly. But I wanted the rat so why did the demand matter?

People would get stuck with pets tainted with the "low demand" label that they could not trade out unless they practically gave them away for a pet two rarity tags lower purely because people in FTT would tell the traders on the other end "their pet is lower demand, I wouldn't accept it" while completely ignoring the fact that the supposed low demand pet was *significantly* rarer and harder to find. Worse still, a lot of the so-called "low demand" pets weren't even low demand. People said Zebras were terrible demand. Back in ye olde days, Nick posted in the forums a couple of times with a list of the "most wishlisted pets" on the website. Guess which pets were near the top of the list? Zebras.

Sorry for the tangential rant. Sometimes I wish we had demand indicators based on number of pets wishlisted by active players. But that would probably destroy the CS economy haha. Let's not ask for that.

Oh my god, I love the low ID's. I regret trading mine off so bad. I had a GWJ is ID 222 before but ended up trading it away :')


Honestly thats why i hate the FTT. And not a little I resent that thread with a passion. I do pretty much solely list trades and while I can definitely be wrong and things like TDs and items which I also trade can have such a mixed value I try to always send fair trades. I see so many of mine end up on the FTT as its usually big trades and of course I have no issue with people asking advice / getting opinions. But I cant stand the amount of replies that are "Well its fair but yours has more demand so i wouldnt"...

So many of my trades get cancelled this way and it drives me nuts. supply + demand = value. The pets value has demand taken into account, you dont then have to add another penalty to it for being lower demand.

Dont get me wrong. I can be the same way. But I am playing this game to trade, not collect. So for me trading down demand just isnt logical or something im interested in but for pets that I am seeking, I pay an arm and a leg. If its something you're after and its fair then I dont see why adding the demand penalty makes sense.

At the moment thats why im pushing so hard the Successful trades thread > Forum/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=4150112

This is in my opinion this sites best resource that isnt used nearly enough. Its no one persons opinion. It isnt bias. Its the community's most recent trades involving the pet you search and what it went for.

Also on the zebra note - I cant speak for others but the fact they are released throughout the year kinda keeps them balanced so they never have the greatest demand as I can always get them if im after them. But thats just my experience with them.

[Loelya]

I’m not from ‘08 but back when I joined in ‘11 it was considered common knowledge that the Sunjewel was much rarer than the Sunback and Non-Jewel. In fact back then the Sunjewel was considered the elite of the elite and would never have swapped 1:1 for an UR Tiger, let alone require additional pets on the Sunjewel side.
The Old FTTs are quite interesting to get an idea of what the general trade values of some pets were back then. I think many people would be amazed at how the views on higher pets have changed over the years.

I’ve always found it interesting that the Dogtag and Moonswirl went up, down and up again so closely together, they were obviously almost identical in numbers.

this stuff is super fascinating to me, I remember seeing some traces of this when doing rarity research in 2019. I knew before now that the sunjewel was more popular/considered more rare than the sunback, but I actually never knew it was considered so much higher than the UR tiger!