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[moonbeam.]

wanted to add an update with some of the visual change suggestions ive seen. ive almost certaintly missed something so please feel free to quote anything i looked over. link to Lacuna's original compilation

want to start this off by saying that visual accessibility is not a one size fits all, and options are ideal. hopefully any visual changes will be toggleable so that anyone can chose what helps them best :3

-a mockup of the star rarity bar on page 50. made by Pyromaniacal. (a later suggestion was to make custom rarities on this system a shooting star, which is very cute to me. This whole stars concept is just really good)



-a color suggestion and mockup from LostInTheEcho on page 58. ill be using the first option because it works the best in my opinion.



-color suggestions from Zeroness using the mockup by LostInTheEcho on page 62. ill be using the colors marked as option number 1 because they work the best in my opinion



- a suggestion to use a bar with numbers in place of shapes on page 40. mockup of what that might look like (forgive me for my art skills lol)

LostInTheEcho Colors


Zeroness colors


-im just gonna copy Lacunas interpretation of my original post because its worded better then i ever could

-snip-
There are 3 categories and the colors I suggested are like so: common (blue/green), uncommon (yellow/orange) and rare (red/purple) that take up approximately 1/3 of the bar each. While it can be hard to determine an exact color for people with visual impairment/colorblindness, a section of an approximate color and a symbol is more noticeable. So, if you determine which third you're in a symbol would be used instead of just stars:
- Stars - stay for the OMG rarities
- Square - for the Extremely rarities (a square and an E are a similar shape)
- Triangle (upside down) - for the Very rarities (upside down triangle and V are similar shape)
- Circle - for the plain common, uncommon, and rare labels, which also acts as a divider between rarities
-snip-

i think trying to make a visual for this really helped me understand some issues im having with both my suggestion, and the suggested rarity names, and i hope it can help other people as well


LostInTheEcho colors



Zeroness colors

my takeaways:

youll notice that common and uncommon are both similar in color, and right next to each other, so the circle distinction is doing... well probably more confusion then clarification

it could potentially also be hard to understand and remember that VERY common means MORE common. and VERY uncommon means LESS common. theres not a clear pattern in word usage, (shown at the top of the image) which could make it difficult to understand or remember

im not.. necessarily in the best state of mind to write out my thoughts carfeully and completely, so im trusting someone later on in the forum to help haha! hope this is useful to someone!

Ngl I love the first one (the one with the stars), it looks very nice and adorable ❤️

[tiredddd]

I think that adding all the shapes and stuff to the rarity bar will make it sm more confusing to new users.

[Silver Tiger~]

The shapes seem needlessly complicated, since we already have the rarity bar itself, the name of the rarity, and possibly the color depending on how we do it.

I do like the lines to show how rare something is or isn't.

[Luscitrea]

As an autistic person, I don't really like either of the most commonly referred to colour suggestions. I think it would throw me off a lot if the main colours would change - esp. having the uncommon so green in either choice is gonna upset me probably. Additionally I think with LostInTheEcho colours the two OMGs are too close which won't be confusing but is still weird, and with Zeroness colours I really dislike the pastel pink for rare. In general I do think it would be good if there were a couple colour themes for users to choose from, but I'm just gonna throw a few options in the ring that maybe aren't as great for visually impaired people but would be easier to digest for people like me who don't deal with change too well.


The first one I did, and potentially the one I like most. The colours are similar to where they are currently with a couple ones thrown inbetween. Might want to swap the common colour out with the one in option 2 though, on second thought.


A bit brighter in general, with the main difference being that the vuc/suc/r colours are a little less close to each other. Not sure if I like the OMGSR colour though, and maybe sc/vc are too close to each other.


An attempt at playing with lightness of colours to still be able to tell the differences well when saturation is low. It kind of works, but I don't really like it.

[mechaerial]

I made a mockup of the "star" rarity bar system using colors and graphics similar to the current rarity bars, plus a potential proposition for colors - though I'll admit I worked this up before seeing Fellefan's colors a few pages ago, and mine are fairly different & a little rough around the edges. More of a proof of concept / general visualization than anything, though at least with the star system if the colors are more similar it matters somewhat less. (There can also be an argument for similar colors suggesting that the different rarity categories are closer to each other than the old/current ones, and encouraging more trading up/down/between tiers.)

tbh this is definitely my favourite mockup so far, simple, easy to understand, and not hard to look at. The way the stars are also handled like a bar means that it should work for people who have trouble with colours (in theory since i dont know anyone who does that i can ask) as they can just see how filled up the bar is. I also personally think that colour choice is very nice and not so different that it would throw me off, since my main identification of rarity is with colour.

[LostInTheEcho]

@Luscitrea:
While I’d also like to keep the colours as close to current ones as possible I think it sadly ends up being too many oranges that would be hard to differentiate. As can be seen just below. Personally I can’t see a clear difference between vu, eu and r and I don’t have any problem with my colour vision.

Colours suggested by Luscitrea

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I think it would end up being the same problem as there was with the very common label that got changed change suggestion
change announcement. Where (at least one part of) the problem was that looking through groups to find pets and sort by rarity, finding a vc pet among many commons was difficult since they were so alike.

(I do of course see that they are different when next to each other but I don’t think that if I was shown one that I could confidently put it in one category or another without outside reference)


I’m not going to discount that it could be a better change for you (and others), these are just the issues I can find with it. (As well as that I’d like the colours to be just a little bit brighter, but that’s mostly personal preferrence)


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So, new suggestion from me, that has sat for some days but I feel might be good to throw out there.

My new suggestion

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Difference between this and my last suggestion
- 2 blue colours instead of 3
- Lighter green/teal-ish is vc while common is a green closer to the current one
- One more orange-yellow colour
- 2 pinks instead of one, light and dark
- only one purple, to make omgsr stand out more

Pros (as I see them)
- blue/greens are all common of some kind, uncommons are yellow/orange, and rares being red/pink + purple for omgsr
- closer to current rarity colours (I do not think another yellow/orange can be added though as they are difficult to distinguish so there will be differences for r, vr)
- omgsr is the only purple and is nice and bright instead of the darker one in my last suggestion



Possible cons:
- yellow / orange colours too similiar
- the vc being harder to distinguish, just like before
- rare is now red instead of orange
- vr is now pink instead of red

Possible solutions to cons
- make vc brighter to be more different from c
- ?


I’m leaving it at this as I currently can’t come up with something more to say but I’m sure I’ve missed a ton


Edit: I’d like to add shortly that when addressing Luscitrea I was mostly (only) looking at their first suggestion, as they said they liked it most. Otherwise I see that we have pretty similiar ideas with their 2 and 3 and my latest. And that’s mostly just a matter of tweaking colours to be the most visible as can be, which I think I’ll leave up to staff from this point.


My first suggestion:

[ShadowKatto]

I made a mockup of the "star" rarity bar system using colors and graphics similar to the current rarity bars, plus a potential proposition for colors - though I'll admit I worked this up before seeing Fellefan's colors a few pages ago, and mine are fairly different & a little rough around the edges. More of a proof of concept / general visualization than anything, though at least with the star system if the colors are more similar it matters somewhat less. (There can also be an argument for similar colors suggesting that the different rarity categories are closer to each other than the old/current ones, and encouraging more trading up/down/between tiers.)

tbh this is definitely my favourite mockup so far, simple, easy to understand, and not hard to look at. The way the stars are also handled like a bar means that it should work for people who have trouble with colours (in theory since i dont know anyone who does that i can ask) as they can just see how filled up the bar is. I also personally think that colour choice is very nice and not so different that it would throw me off, since my main identification of rarity is with colour.

Unfortunately, I think the empty stars for OMGSC would be changed because the still growing labels use the empty bars, and if we were to start representing rarities with the stars, the still growing/unknown “rarity” would be empty.

[Metax]

I made a mockup of the "star" rarity bar system using colors and graphics similar to the current rarity bars, plus a potential proposition for colors - though I'll admit I worked this up before seeing Fellefan's colors a few pages ago, and mine are fairly different & a little rough around the edges. More of a proof of concept / general visualization than anything, though at least with the star system if the colors are more similar it matters somewhat less. (There can also be an argument for similar colors suggesting that the different rarity categories are closer to each other than the old/current ones, and encouraging more trading up/down/between tiers.)

tbh this is definitely my favourite mockup so far, simple, easy to understand, and not hard to look at. The way the stars are also handled like a bar means that it should work for people who have trouble with colours (in theory since i dont know anyone who does that i can ask) as they can just see how filled up the bar is. I also personally think that colour choice is very nice and not so different that it would throw me off, since my main identification of rarity is with colour.

I also like the stars the most. OMGSC perhaps could be slightly altered to not get confused with unknown rarities.
Maybe those could have a question mark layered on top just like now.

[Arukardis]

I made a mockup of the "star" rarity bar system using colors and graphics similar to the current rarity bars, plus a potential proposition for colors - though I'll admit I worked this up before seeing Fellefan's colors a few pages ago, and mine are fairly different & a little rough around the edges. More of a proof of concept / general visualization than anything, though at least with the star system if the colors are more similar it matters somewhat less. (There can also be an argument for similar colors suggesting that the different rarity categories are closer to each other than the old/current ones, and encouraging more trading up/down/between tiers.)

tbh this is definitely my favourite mockup so far, simple, easy to understand, and not hard to look at. The way the stars are also handled like a bar means that it should work for people who have trouble with colours (in theory since i dont know anyone who does that i can ask) as they can just see how filled up the bar is. I also personally think that colour choice is very nice and not so different that it would throw me off, since my main identification of rarity is with colour.

I also like the stars the most. OMGSC perhaps could be slightly altered to not get confused with unknown rarities.
Maybe those could have a question mark layered on top just like now.

I agree, the stars look the best to me, very readable. For the unknown rarities, the stars could be empty and just state "unknown rarity" below and/or with a question mark on one or all the stars.

[piepinkpony]

I really like this colour set, and I agree on trying to keep uncommon yellow if possible!