WHY PEOPLE ARE QUITTING CS- A Discussion

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Re: WHY PEOPLE ARE QUITTING CS- A Discussion

Postby CanisCoyote » Thu Aug 10, 2023 6:32 am

Malleus wrote:
CanisCoyote wrote:One of the easiest things that we as users can do, is stop demanding wishlist pets only when trading. Let other people send FAIR trades that literally do not effect the value of your trade groups and benefit them. It doesn't hurt you for your trade groups to have different pets of the same value. It makes pets flow. It makes trading better. It gets pets out of the collective site's "for trade" groups and into collections. It makes people feel like trading is actually worth it.

Wouldn't it be nice if you could go to anyone's trade group and do a litter swap for some common outcome that you missed for the extra one you got without having to find someone who is in the EXACT opposite situation?

And when you get all the outcomes of a litter, what are you doing with all those extras? While you demand wishlist only, but you have nothing on your wishlist that are the same value?


I disagree with this, in terms of rare+ pets.

I never would have wanted to trade my rare pets for rare pets that were not on my wishlist, because then I would just never get anywhere and be completely stagnant in my collections. If I have pets of value I am okay with trading, then I certainly only want to get pets of value in return that I actually want, otherwise I'd just be in an endless loop of getting nowhere. And I have rarely, if ever, come into situations where rare+ pets outside of events were ever asked for in terms of something like a litter swap.

Now for anything uncommon and below, I can see your point in a sense, but still if I was only looking for one outcome from a monthly litter, I would only offer my doubles for my missing outcome until I achieved it, because again, I would never get anywhere in my collection if I was just doing a bunch of litter swaps and never achieving what I needed. Once I have all the outcomes, then yeah there's no point wishlist locking random trade uncommons and below.

That is what I did for the camping event. Mostly only swap for outcomes I was missing, then posted 'hey I'm offering litter swaps to anyone who needs them, go nuts' into the swap thread once I completed my collection. This to me, seems 100% reasonable.

But still, I don't think it's anything to get angry at users about, because there are plenty of reasons to only want wishlist pets.


If you trade your rares for equal value rares, you can still use those rares to trade for ones you want, is what I'm saying. You still would have pets that are the same value available to go and seek pets you want. It would make it easier for you to get the ones you want if more people didnt ask for wishlist only; imagine finding a rare you want in a trade group. You have pets that are fair for it. But they aren't on your partners wishlist. What are you going to do?

If your partner is ok just trading, then there is no need for having wishlist pets. You just send a fair trade. They accept and there is no loss to them. Just rotating what they have for trade.

But if your partner is only taking wishlist, then you are outta luck. Good luck finding another in a trade group. It's hard enough to even find a specific rare in a trade group. It's rare after all. This is what is frustrating. One of the key issues about this is that players have to have a huge amount of rare trade pets in order to have a chance at having one on someone else's wishlist, instead of being able to trade the ones that they have for anything fair. So they just sit. For trade. That's when trade groups are really truly stagnant.

I do understand wishlist only for being really hard to accomplish trades; 2008 very rare and omgsr pets, ur pets. These are so hard to find for trade it would be difficult to rotate trade stock. But for your average rare like from past holidays it doesn't really make sense to me. Also it just... helps other players?
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Re: WHY PEOPLE ARE QUITTING CS- A Discussion

Postby conarcoin » Thu Aug 10, 2023 8:01 am

Pinkie Cooper wrote:Obviously a VR from 2019 if that exists is worth less than one from 09, but that is obvious, and then adding in the demand that fluctuates constantly as everyone else has said.


Mostly an aside but I would like to note that in general older = worth more isn't believed because it's obviously factual, but rather because we have no way of measuring how ACTUALLY rare a pet is. There could be the same amount of this hypothetical 2019 VR in circulation as there is a hypothetical 2009 VR, but since users have no way of knowing this, dates are used as a guesstimate as to what pets are "rarer".

(I have a suggestion thread up about how this can be mitigated for more accurate judgements on rarity without giving exact pet counts)
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Re: WHY PEOPLE ARE QUITTING CS- A Discussion

Postby CanisCoyote » Thu Aug 10, 2023 8:14 am

conarcoin wrote:
Pinkie Cooper wrote:Obviously a VR from 2019 if that exists is worth less than one from 09, but that is obvious, and then adding in the demand that fluctuates constantly as everyone else has said.


Mostly an aside but I would like to note that in general older = worth more isn't believed because it's obviously factual, but rather because we have no way of measuring how ACTUALLY rare a pet is. There could be the same amount of this hypothetical 2019 VR in circulation as there is a hypothetical 2009 VR, but since users have no way of knowing this, dates are used as a guesstimate as to what pets are "rarer".

(I have a suggestion thread up about how this can be mitigated for more accurate judgements on rarity without giving exact pet counts)

The thought behind older = rarer is because the older a pet is, the more likely that it has found it way into someone's permanent collection, so there are less of them for trade. A newer pet may still be someone's extra that they got lucky and got two of, or don't really care for. But eventually, they settle into a group that gets locked.
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Re: WHY PEOPLE ARE QUITTING CS- A Discussion

Postby Mija24 » Thu Aug 10, 2023 8:16 am

conarcoin wrote:
Pinkie Cooper wrote:Obviously a VR from 2019 if that exists is worth less than one from 09, but that is obvious, and then adding in the demand that fluctuates constantly as everyone else has said.


Mostly an aside but I would like to note that in general older = worth more isn't believed because it's obviously factual, but rather because we have no actual way of measuring how ACTUALLY rare a pet is. There could be the same amount of this hypothetical 2019 VR in circulation as there is a hypothetical 2009 VR, but since users have no way of knowing this, dates are used as a guesstimate as to what pets are "rarer".

(I have a suggestion thread up about how this can be mitigated for more accurate judgements on rarity without giving exact pet counts)


I agree with this. Rare is rare like 1 dolar is 1 dolar. I mean the number of the pets adopted in 2008 and 2023 should be similar for the pet to be rare and not common so the 2022 rare is worth two 2023 and so on is just weird I mean I do not believe 1 2009 rare is worth xxxxxy 2023 rares. Why is the pet even rare then also I do have bigger problem to find some 2012/2013 even 2016 rares than 2008 or 2009 ones. This is just weird….. the actual Numbers for the pets on the site would be great help. Because at least we would know how many of the pets is there. Also it would prove 2023 and newer rares to be useful and be helpful to new Players. Because right now 2023 rare is useles for trading and you are just stuck.
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Re: WHY PEOPLE ARE QUITTING CS- A Discussion

Postby conarcoin » Thu Aug 10, 2023 8:18 am

CanisCoyote wrote:
conarcoin wrote:
Pinkie Cooper wrote:Obviously a VR from 2019 if that exists is worth less than one from 09, but that is obvious, and then adding in the demand that fluctuates constantly as everyone else has said.


Mostly an aside but I would like to note that in general older = worth more isn't believed because it's obviously factual, but rather because we have no way of measuring how ACTUALLY rare a pet is. There could be the same amount of this hypothetical 2019 VR in circulation as there is a hypothetical 2009 VR, but since users have no way of knowing this, dates are used as a guesstimate as to what pets are "rarer".

(I have a suggestion thread up about how this can be mitigated for more accurate judgements on rarity without giving exact pet counts)

The thought behind older = rarer is because the older a pet is, the more likely that it has found it way into someone's permanent collection, so there are less of them for trade. A newer pet may still be someone's extra that they got lucky and got two of, or don't really care for. But eventually, they settle into a group that gets locked.


This is also theoretically true, but the same can be said for popular newer pets that are rare, and also doesn't entirely account for rereleases pushing more older pets into circulation. I don't think you're wrong, but I also don't think it discredits my point c:
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Re: WHY PEOPLE ARE QUITTING CS- A Discussion

Postby CanisCoyote » Thu Aug 10, 2023 8:28 am

conarcoin wrote:
This is also theoretically true, but the same can be said for popular newer pets that are rare, and also doesn't entirely account for rereleases pushing more older pets into circulation. I don't think you're wrong, but I also don't think it discredits my point c:


ye, I absolutely think that the differences between years are too exaggerated at this point and its not really working...
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Re: WHY PEOPLE ARE QUITTING CS- A Discussion

Postby foxcloud19 » Thu Aug 10, 2023 10:52 am

CanisCoyote wrote:
conarcoin wrote:
This is also theoretically true, but the same can be said for popular newer pets that are rare, and also doesn't entirely account for rereleases pushing more older pets into circulation. I don't think you're wrong, but I also don't think it discredits my point c:


ye, I absolutely think that the differences between years are too exaggerated at this point and its not really working...


We really do need a better system to tell us the value of the pets. Omgsc, vc, c, uc, r, vr, and omgsr just aren't enough at this point. This is why trading is so confusing and a massive undertaking to even attempt to figure out. Honestly, it's kind of a nightmare and needs to be reworked. When I started playing more consistantly, I tried to open up a guide for trading and immediately got so overwhelmed I just said "nope" and closed it. I did go back and try to learn it, but man, it's just so confusing. I know it might not be for some people, but for many of us, it is just too much. Conarcoin has a great suggestion thread going to try to get the rarity system updated and we desperately, desperately need it.
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Re: WHY PEOPLE ARE QUITTING CS- A Discussion

Postby KhajiitKennedy » Fri Aug 11, 2023 12:09 am

Honestly I'm really starting to think that they don't care about the site, or at least don't care to update it past the simplicity that it is. Simple can be good but, come on listen to at least some of our suggestions and at least entertain the idea. I mean there are threads dating back 10 years for more pet organization. And I have yet to find a single word from any of the staff members about it.

And it's stuff like better organization and dark themes on mobile. Stuff that actually can help a a lot of people enjoy the site a lot more
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Re: WHY PEOPLE ARE QUITTING CS- A Discussion

Postby CanisCoyote » Fri Aug 11, 2023 7:33 am

KhajiitKennedy wrote:Honestly I'm really starting to think that they don't care about the site, or at least don't care to update it past the simplicity that it is. Simple can be good but, come on listen to at least some of our suggestions and at least entertain the idea. I mean there are threads dating back 10 years for more pet organization. And I have yet to find a single word from any of the staff members about it.

And it's stuff like better organization and dark themes on mobile. Stuff that actually can help a a lot of people enjoy the site a lot more


The pet organization one really gets me. I can imagine that sorting by archive could be a lot of work to do, especially if they had to change some kind of data for each individual pet outcome.

But alphabetical based on names? I cannot image that that would be nearly as much of workload. Alphabetical can potentially also be archival - at can be anything - it just puts the work on us to come up with a naming system that reflects how we want our groups to look. But with the mass renaming option already there, it would be alright and worth the time.
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Re: WHY PEOPLE ARE QUITTING CS- A Discussion

Postby ChocolateGryphon » Fri Aug 11, 2023 11:19 am

CanisCoyote wrote:
KhajiitKennedy wrote:Honestly I'm really starting to think that they don't care about the site, or at least don't care to update it past the simplicity that it is. Simple can be good but, come on listen to at least some of our suggestions and at least entertain the idea. I mean there are threads dating back 10 years for more pet organization. And I have yet to find a single word from any of the staff members about it.

And it's stuff like better organization and dark themes on mobile. Stuff that actually can help a a lot of people enjoy the site a lot more


The pet organization one really gets me. I can imagine that sorting by archive could be a lot of work to do, especially if they had to change some kind of data for each individual pet outcome.

But alphabetical based on names? I cannot image that that would be nearly as much of workload. Alphabetical can potentially also be archival - at can be anything - it just puts the work on us to come up with a naming system that reflects how we want our groups to look. But with the mass renaming option already there, it would be alright and worth the time.

Yes and honestly for the longest time I’ve been thinking there should be an option in the archive to put all pets you don’t already have on your wishlist so you don’t have to click each one individually. I remember it taking days of different shifts to click each one and not knowing if I could have missed one or not
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