WHY PEOPLE ARE QUITTING CS- A Discussion

[raiden]

This may seem a bit silly, but maybe we could have a staff member of the month/year award?
Users could vote for staff / or submit a ticket when a staff member has been particularly helpful or made their experience on CS better.
This way it could incentivize staff to be more considerate in how they may handle user interactions while also allowing the user base to show appreciation for the CS staff.


I like this idea! This may help ease some of the tension between staff positions and "regular" users and inspire users to interact more with staff members? I'd definitely participate if this were a thing! This would also be an indirect way for users to highlight what staff and their behaviors are well-received so it can be made known what we appreciate and what we don't!


Hey!! Im not trying to be rude- but could anyone who has had a blunt/rude message from mods post them for clarification? Im just curious as to what was being said exactly! Obviously take out any sensitive info (names, dates, places, etc) but i think that could help make things more clear! I understand it is likely that users no longer have the message but i just wanted to shoot my shot lol


This was MANY many years ago, so I definitely don't have the message anymore... mind you, I definitely broke the rules and needed to be reprimanded for it, I won't deny that at all - but the accompanying message felt personal in a way I still remember to this day. Like Celozon said, I think a degree of professionalism is expected of moderators (or, administrators/admin assistants) when correcting behavior. I don't want to incorrectly paraphrase because I don't remember the exact wording and I don't want to accidentally get something glaringly wrong, but part of the message after the "business" part of the matter (you broke rule xyz) certainly mentioned something about "my time", as in, how I as a user choose to spend my time online, and how this staff member disapproved of it. I was very much shocked at the time, and it still feels unprofessional to me even now -- it was NOT a "copy paste" type message like you typically receive from moderators, so it felt very much personal to me. I have had many other experiences with staff members in regards to answering questions about rules and correcting my behavior that did not feel as personal as this particular message did that day.

In regards to moderator interactions when it comes to correcting behavior, I've never taken it personally myself (other than that one exception I just described, haha) -- however, I know that tone and intention can be hard to navigate online for everyone involved. We have unlimited characters on forum posts and messages here on CS, so maybe staff could take advantage of this and add "reassuring" statements when correcting behavior? I'm thinking like, for example, "you broke rule xyz... you will not receive a board warning at this time, but please re-read the rules to make sure you don't make a similar mistake again. Send in a help ticket if you have any further questions for me, thank you!" -- exclamation marks can also go a HUGE way in defining a welcoming tone ;)

[mecha sonic]

not on the topic of what some of u all r currently discussing but ive been staring at this thread and i have a few thoughts. ofc theres no perfect way to fix this site but ill throw my hat into the ring why not.

• one of the main things i'd love is pound reminders. i never see if this thing is open unless it is by chance. the only way to track it is my manually checking it yourself or by using a discord bot. i don't want to join a server for this or throw it in my personal discord server to miss the opening and be greeted by pets that i see no use in getting. an optional, on site pop-up would be so helpful. actually thinking about it... main page side bar that has a pound/lost n found countdown and an event reminder? pop-ups could also be used but having something you can see at a glance at the front page would be neat. something like this possibly? idk i don't know graphic design.
  
• new store items that aren't limited. i get having the more elaborate and themed sets come and go is neat (i'd LOVE for them to be released though, cycled in every so often), but i'd love to see more general items. like nature type items that i can go and grab when i need them. there's also the opinion of making these much larger sets that come in sperate bundles. like a full nature set that can be broken down into flower items, tree items, etc. i also think some of the item sets that have been limited just don't really seem... worth it? if that makes sense? like i love all the little plants from the terrarium set but i don't see why it was limited? also the january 2022 wigs being limited hurts me so much.
  
• i know people don't like the idea but releasing old store pets. there's the argument that people may of paid real money for them and such but considering how uncommon it is to see higher rarity pets come from dec 18th (from what i have seen atleast) i don't see that as a problem? it's not as if orange cerberus pets are going to start raining, i think adding a few into the economy wouldn't kill it. making something possibly slightly easier to obtain wouldn't hurt. the only people it would "hurt" would be the people who want to keep on holding up/highering the value of a pet. and that just makes me more spiteful and want it to crash so y'know.
  
• and the last one is mini-events. small little events to keep people interested in-between the bigger events. maybe something that just tells a small tale, rather than when cs drops pets and items for one day and leaves it at that.

[howlingwolf909]

Just gonna throw 2¢ in quickly lol bc this is a sensitive topic, but wAy back when I was a wee bean, not even 13, I posted a "statement post" (me just saying something, not discussion) in the forums before fully understanding what forums were for. I was a Child who had never used internet before.

My post got closed and I got some warning I don't recall word for word, but it freaked me out so bad I stopped using forums for months, maybe more.

I don't recall if the mod was rude, but it was stern enough it scared me from trying to post for ages. So, as a certified Teacher myself, there is professionalism without sounding scary, rude, or blunt. Even just adding a "thank you!" at the is enough sometimes.

this is the kind of stuff that had kid me first playing on the website avoiding even TRYING to learn the forum. i think if i had given it a go and accidently did something wrong in my child naivete, and gotten what everyone is describing as the usual mod response which is stern, cold, blunt, and unforgiving.. i really think I would've quit the game much sooner just out of anxiety.

Fairly recently, I thread I posted on about lucid dreaming was locked. People were discussing whether or not they could lucid dream, what it was like, techniques to do it and so on. The thread was locked because "there is already a topic about dreams" (the "dreams you've had" thread), which was not quite the same thing. There was no opportunity to explain why we thought it was different and deserved its own thread and we did not want to take it to the dreams youve had thread because we did not suddenly want to start spamming about lucid dreams and going off topic, since the discussion was not strictly explaining lucid dreams you've had.
I took it in stride, but I hoped it wasn't the thread owners first attempt at making a topic, because being shut down so remorsefully without a chance to defend your thread's purpose is incredibly discouraging, especially to new users.
I feel bad whenever I see someone post a thread like "hi, i'm new" or "looking to make friends!" since those do not have a clear topic of conversation and quickly get locked. It does violate rules, and users should be aware of forum rules before posting, but it is a shame to see new users get shut down so wholly when they are likely just young and don't understand forum sites very well.
There was a time when the forums were absolutely hectic and this strict level of moderation was 100% necessary, but the user base has shrunk since then as well as forum activity, and it still seems as though some mods are still on edge from the times when threads were all over the place with redudant ones popping up everyday and users discussing completely irrelevant things.
I do think there needs to be more leniency, not with what is allowed to be discussed or language used, but with the margins that define what an acceptable forum topic should be. If someone in anime fan club asks another user how there day is going, if they did well on that test they were worried about, that should not be entirely discouraged. I know things on the forums have gotten out of hand before and that thread topics devolved into unrecognizable conversations, but it seems like new users are being punished for old users' mistakes. That is just my perspective, though.

i totally agree!!

[HEXORCISM]

i come back and there's over 100 pages and its gained another 9+ as i type this,,, i am Not reading all of that but i would love to show my support for some of the stuff in the spreadsheet. throwing all my thoughts in here (and the extra ones).
i am so sorry for my blocks of text in advance.

outside of general quality-of-life updates the user ads and custom items are probably my favourite. i would lose my mind over some of those things. so many threads are missed out on because they get buried, and i have met so many users who have no idea half the forums exist! i am just imagining all the traction that might be able to be pulled from ads for giveaways / adoption centres, discords / clubs / etc, discussion threads like this one, and art shops / species. i would really love if they could have basic categories when submitted (eg. trading, art, suggestions) so that maybe we could enable/disable which ones cater to us the most. i know i'd end up ignoring all of the ads completely if most of them were trade ads lmao. it'd double as a nice c$ sink i think. i'd probably attempt a cs minecraft server again, because one of the hardest things was finding people who wanted to play. half the forums are so slow you practically never get to bump (in addition to the aforementioned users who have no idea those categories exist), and if i'm paying that sort of money i want it to actually be used, you know? which sort of brings me to my next point: i think ads being subscription-based would be lovely, as i'd assume they'd have to be staff-approved and allowing them to auto-renew or "rent" them for longer periods could probably cut down on that approval process, saving staff a lot of time and users the wait (and you might be able to apply a discount of some sort). HOWEVER i know a lot of people just. disappear off of cs for periods of time, or if they're like me, don't have the best memory. and i'd hate to come back and find i have no c$ left (or, god forbid if the code allowed it, a debt) because i forgot about the subscription. but the site checks for inactive users somehow -- because the pets of inactive accounts aren't included in rarity calculations. so perhaps if the site marks the account as inactive, the subscription is auto-cancelled and the months leading up to that are refunded? although there's no way to retract whatever was gained from people seeing those ads, so just the auto-cancellation is probably enough.

and custom items,,, i'd love if those were tradeable. a lot of users don't draw or can't get the item Quite Right and others might want a specific style. perhaps go the way of flight rising skins/accents where multiple copies can be made. if it were allowed for users to transfer existing items to new species too i think it'd take a lot of pressure off of staff to do that themselves. maybe transferring items could be a voluntary process and not use the item, so it can be used by everyone who owns the item. the only issue i could see with custom items is replication of existing custom items (like the rainbow smoothie). i know they'd have to be staff-approved so i guess it'd just be done on a case-by-case basis, but at what point is it Okay to replicate the item because its so rare and inaccessible? what is considered too similar?

there'd have to be additional staff brought on for those approvals, but i'd assume the process for hiring would be easier than any other staff positions. just someone who says 'yes/no' and then maybe moves it along to nick or whoever.

one more really tiny gripe / suggestion: the ability to search the archive by BOTH artist and species. so many times i am looking for specific pet but dont know the date, but i can recognize the artist's style and either narrow it down to a handful or the exact artist. yet i am left to sift through pages and pages of pets because i can't narrow it down that much. or i just want to see if an artist has made a design for that species.
i'd also really love to be able to sort the item archive similarly to owned items: by species and/or placement. the current categories don't... do anything. there's too many items to be able to narrow anything down that way. it's like if the only way to browse your items was the 'all items' tab! i'd also love to be able to hover over an owned item and see its release date. a search bar in the archive would also be great since they have names unlike pets.
redoing the item archive this way would also make it way easier for custom item approval if that were ever implemented. much less time spent browsing for items to check if they're too similar to existing items and probably fewer slipping through the cracks.


and rule clarifications / updates... please. please. it's way better than it was in like 2019 but it still feels like there's a lot of unspoken rules and exceptions. i'd love for there to be an update log of changes, and for them to be posted on the front page. so many changes are just... never posted there. some i've only learned about because people mentioned them in discord, or vice versa. i reread the thread a week or two ago and a few times i had that 'was this always like that? or did they change something again and didn't notify anyone?' thought.

also big +1 on the staff-made rarity/value guide and stamps. i love stamps, one of my favourite things about summer events. and i rarely ever trade outside of buying some common pets with c$ because i just. don't understand any of it and the time and effort needed to be put in to understand isn't worth it at all to me. and the hostility? i feel that one. i can even put a 'i don't understand values very well so i'm sorry if this is unfair. feel free to edit it to make it more fair :)' and still receive hostile messages.

[Lokirin]

I never bothered keeping messages for that long, though I guess in hindsight theyd be useful here.

I have a question (that may have already been answered elsewhere in this fast moving thread):
Which staff positions are actually paid, and which are unpaid volunteer? Cause thats going to answer a lot as for the inconsistancy with mod posts

[angst]

my friend wound up quitting due to the staff and he wanted me to share his own testimony here so i thought i’d do that for him!! please don’t take this as attacking the mods because that’s not what this is by any means, i just figured because we’re on the topic of our poor experiences it would be worth sharing.


- i was temporarily banned for disagreeing with some action taken against me over my artwork, and the ban was because i spoke out about how i felt like i was being targeted/like i was literally being bullied and harassed by mods for doing quite literally nothing wrong; apparently i "insulted the staff" and was being "belligerent" simply for not agreeing and bringing up other issues about how i was being treated unfairly when half the time other issues regarding the same subjects were literally being performed by other users but they wouldn't receive any issue or feedback, especially if they were a popular artist

- i'd get in trouble for having a certain profile picture on th (which wasn't even a bad profile picture, it was literally an album cover), when i didn't even have my toyhouse linked on my profile. i was told to "either change my profile picture on toyhouse, a site they don't own, or figure it out" aka either change my profile picture on a site that wasn't even linked on my profile or posts and they didn't own, or get in trouble.

- got in trouble for details on my art like pink tummy on a flat pelvis on an anthro adopt, which apparently is "against cs rules because it's too human and looks like nsfw".

- they allowed someone to get away with lying about me regarding nsfw when the user literally edited screenshots and also i showed proof that it literally wasn't true and that the user had also been totally dishonest with me and the mods, yet i still got in trouble and effected by it.

- also allowed my stalkers have access to me, didn't allow me to take safety precautions.

This is really, really horrible.

Thank you for sharing your friend's testimony and story; and thank you to your friend.

I've personally felt very alone dealing with some of the warnings I've gotten on this site and it's been really helpful and healing to know I'm not the only one. I'm SO grateful to this thread. I now know I'm not alone in this feeling of unfairness and being singled out and targeted. A major takeaway from this thread is that CS needs to seriously consider the problems it has with moderator discretion and bias.

[howlingwolf909]

not on the topic of what some of u all r currently discussing but ive been staring at this thread and i have a few thoughts. ofc theres no perfect way to fix this site but ill throw my hat into the ring why not.

• one of the main things i'd love is pound reminders. i never see if this thing is open unless it is by chance. the only way to track it is my manually checking it yourself or by using a discord bot. i don't want to join a server for this or throw it in my personal discord server to miss the opening and be greeted by pets that i see no use in getting. an optional, on site pop-up would be so helpful. actually thinking about it... main page side bar that has a pound/lost n found countdown and an event reminder? pop-ups could also be used but having something you can see at a glance at the front page would be neat. something like this possibly? idk i don't know graphic design.
  
• new store items that aren't limited. i get having the more elaborate and themed sets come and go is neat (i'd LOVE for them to be released though, cycled in every so often), but i'd love to see more general items. like nature type items that i can go and grab when i need them. there's also the opinion of making these much larger sets that come in sperate bundles. like a full nature set that can be broken down into flower items, tree items, etc. i also think some of the item sets that have been limited just don't really seem... worth it? if that makes sense? like i love all the little plants from the terrarium set but i don't see why it was limited? also the january 2022 wigs being limited hurts me so much.
  
• i know people don't like the idea but releasing old store pets. there's the argument that people may of paid real money for them and such but considering how uncommon it is to see higher rarity pets come from dec 18th (from what i have seen atleast) i don't see that as a problem? it's not as if orange cerberus pets are going to start raining, i think adding a few into the economy wouldn't kill it. making something possibly slightly easier to obtain wouldn't hurt. the only people it would "hurt" would be the people who want to keep on holding up/highering the value of a pet. and that just makes me more spiteful and want it to crash so y'know.
  
• and the last one is mini-events. small little events to keep people interested in-between the bigger events. maybe something that just tells a small tale, rather than when cs drops pets and items for one day and leaves it at that.

ooh i love this too. pound reminders would be so nice. im honestly kind of surprised that reminders for pound openings and events haven't been made a thing yet over the years?
plus, the idea of having permanent store pets is lovely. you can still have players who can't afford C$ trading to get a perm store pet and therein feeding into the economy, and have these players feel more included in owning a store pet, granted maybe not the same rarity as a limited edition one, but still!

[Lex.]

This was MANY many years ago, so I definitely don't have the message anymore... mind you, I definitely broke the rules and needed to be reprimanded for it, I won't deny that at all - but the accompanying message felt personal in a way I still remember to this day. Like Celozon said, I think a degree of professionalism is expected of moderators (or, administrators/admin assistants) when correcting behavior. I don't want to incorrectly paraphrase because I don't remember the exact wording and I don't want to accidentally get something glaringly wrong, but part of the message after the "business" part of the matter (you broke rule xyz) certainly mentioned something about "my time", as in, how I as a user choose to spend my time online, and how this staff member disapproved of it. I was very much shocked at the time, and it still feels unprofessional to me even now -- it was NOT a "copy paste" type message like you typically receive from moderators, so it felt very much personal to me. I have had many other experiences with staff members in regards to answering questions about rules and correcting my behavior that did not feel as personal as this particular message did that day.

In regards to moderator interactions when it comes to correcting behavior, I've never taken it personally myself (other than that one exception I just described, haha) -- however, I know that tone and intention can be hard to navigate online for everyone involved. We have unlimited characters on forum posts and messages here on CS, so maybe staff could take advantage of this and add "reassuring" statements when correcting behavior? I'm thinking like, for example, "you broke rule xyz... you will not receive a board warning at this time, but please re-read the rules to make sure you don't make a similar mistake again. Send in a help ticket if you have any further questions for me, thank you!" -- exclamation marks can also go a HUGE way in defining a welcoming tone ;)

OMG, that is awful! I'm so sorry you had to go through that.
I definitely feel you though, I had a similar experience quite a while ago where I got a board warning for something that was a complete misunderstanding, then told that my response to the PM felt like it was crafted by a lawyer?? and that I "knew what I was doing"?
Like cmon ToT

I feel like if it is a "professionalism" thing then the term professional needs to be clearly defined. Because honestly the different things I've been told my different mods about the SAME thing + blunt/unprofessional messages don't really give a professional look.
I get it, it's a volunteer position! But at the same time professionalism comes with any volunteer job, kids site or otherwise. If not for the sake of being nice to users, then do it just to be consistent. That way at least half of the story is straight.

[lyney]

my friend wound up quitting due to the staff and he wanted me to share his own testimony here so i thought i’d do that for him!! please don’t take this as attacking the mods because that’s not what this is by any means, i just figured because we’re on the topic of our poor experiences it would be worth sharing.


- i was temporarily banned for disagreeing with some action taken against me over my artwork, and the ban was because i spoke out about how i felt like i was being targeted/like i was literally being bullied and harassed by mods for doing quite literally nothing wrong; apparently i "insulted the staff" and was being "belligerent" simply for not agreeing and bringing up other issues about how i was being treated unfairly when half the time other issues regarding the same subjects were literally being performed by other users but they wouldn't receive any issue or feedback, especially if they were a popular artist

- i'd get in trouble for having a certain profile picture on th (which wasn't even a bad profile picture, it was literally an album cover), when i didn't even have my toyhouse linked on my profile. i was told to "either change my profile picture on toyhouse, a site they don't own, or figure it out" aka either change my profile picture on a site that wasn't even linked on my profile or posts and they didn't own, or get in trouble.

- got in trouble for details on my art like pink tummy on a flat pelvis on an anthro adopt, which apparently is "against cs rules because it's too human and looks like nsfw".

- they allowed someone to get away with lying about me regarding nsfw when the user literally edited screenshots and also i showed proof that it literally wasn't true and that the user had also been totally dishonest with me and the mods, yet i still got in trouble and effected by it.

- also allowed my stalkers have access to me, didn't allow me to take safety precautions.

i'm... honestly just lost for words. i had someone contact me about a month or so ago that had an experience very similar to your friend's testimony, so it disheartens me to see that it's still happening. they were hurt from what had happened, and i'm sure your friend was probably just as lost and confused as they were in the aftermath of being temporarily banned. i can only say that i hope your friend is okay after that experience. and i don't blame them for having a sour taste in their mouth, they were wronged and that's the bottom line of it all. there is no excusing that.

and @angst, warnings are definitely scary, and most of the time they are meant to be kept behind closed doors due to privacy. i feel that it just makes it worse on the user receiving the warning, though.. i've only ever received one, and it's from a mistake i made when i was much, much younger, but i remember freaking out about it but having nobody to turn to or ask questions about it. sucked, really.

[Celozon]

Just to add in general, I personally don't think I would ever say things like 'have a nice day' after a warning. Ah its just not something that comes naturally to me and, personally, would seem fake and almost feels like it would be more of a slap in the face to give someone a warning but '<3 <3 have a nice day!!'. But as said, social anxiety here, I never really caught on the normal social 'politeness' so maybe thats a just a me problem. I've worked in customer service for a number of years and having to say things like 'have a nice day' probably feels fake by extension of being forced to end every customer interaction with it.

- snipping the rest as the post is long and I want to address this specific point!-

I do feel there is a bit of a vocabulary issue here saying mod responses are 'rude', just in that what one person considers rude can be very different to another and to be very clear: any outright rudeness and harassment is not allowed on CS, this includes moderators. You can report us if you think we are being outright rude. But from what I've been seeing user's discussing, it seems what many of you are actually referring to is bluntness. And at least personally there is a big difference to me between bluntness and rudeness. So I would suggest maybe giving some examples of what you have issues with rather than just giving a vague 'mods are rude' as that does not differentiate on bluntness vs actual rudeness. Personally I don't consider a mod saying 'x is against the rules. Do not do this again' as rude. It is very blunt and personally I usually try to be a bit nicer, but I would like to differentiate that from actual rudeness and just calling it 'rude' may cause people who haven't been involved in these interaction to assume you mean actual rudeness.

I actually want to respond to this specifically as someone who HAS reported a staff member who was being outright rude in my PMs (which multiple people I talked to also agreed with, so it's less likely just me being "sensitive")! The response I got was extremely dismissive, basically just going "I don't believe it was rude" which was... extremely disheartening and made me heavily consider whether or not it would even be WORTH it to report these things in the future. I don't think it's fair to for other staff members to make the call on whether users are "incorrect" or "not differentiating bluntness from "actual rudeness"" when it comes to their own conduct.

I will repeat my point: bluntness should not automatically equate to professionalism (especially when it's clear that your userbase is reacting to it negatively), and that there should be a balanced approach that doesn't fall under neither overt bluntness or coddling the users.

(Again, sorry if I'm coming off blunt. I promise it's not intended, just a side effect of my native language ^^)

Generally any reports about mods will go up to admins so I'm not sure I even saw this ticket or know exactly what situation you are talking about and I can't speak to how admins decide things. As mods we do moderate rudeness a lot so if something gets reported to us with the label 'rude' that is what we are going to be looking at it as. If you are using rude in place of blunt that is going to change how we view a report like that. Generally rudeness would be things like bullying, harassment, name calling, insults, hateful comments, publicly shaming someone, etc. Not sure if that clears anything up but those are generally the things we are looking for when something gets reported as rudeness.

I'm also not saying bluntness = professionalism, I'm just saying a certain level of it should be expected and is, in my opinion, necessary. As said I do agree just saying 'x is against the rules don't do it again' is probably too blunt and not anything I ever personally would use but I also wouldn't consider that 'rude'.

on the discussion of mod responses, some of the help ticket responses i've been exposed to by other users has just.. honestly lined up with what some of the other users on here have been pointing out.

celozon, i know you are trying to prove a point by trying to upkeep that professionalism, but what is the harm in giving a soft warning before getting straight into it? one of my friends received an immediate, non-disputable board warning for a link to one of their socials simply because of a hidden picture they had posted years ago. personally, i think it would be more suitable to remove the link from their profile and issue a soft (NOT board warning??) warning rather than going straight into putting a strike on their account.


and though i cannot share this help ticket due to privacy, i saw a help ticket issued as something similar to this:
"you were worried about xyz, but now i guess now it's not right that zyx gets to be compensated."

in. a help. ticket. where is the professionalism in that? rudeness is as it is perceived, yes, but using a fallacy against one of your own users by taking what they had said and then twisting it into being as if they suddenly don't care about what they were reaching out was. um. concerning to me, haha..

so on this note, i am all for a revamp to the warning system. it has problems, and i know the mods are not intending this, but it just feels more like a kick in the shin rather than a slap on a wrist when we receive that blunt tone in warning posts. even if it's just a change in wording, it would help a lot from the users' perception.

I would like to add that warnings are really not considered to be permanent. As I had mentioned, they really aren't considered a big deal (at least to us) as long as the user understands and follows the rules. Certain things are considered bigger offenses than others so some things may not result in a warning unless its done multiple times and others may result in a warning the first time. Things like linking to a social or toyhouse with inappropriate content is generally always going to be a warning because we consider that a serious issue. We also never edit a user's profile ourselves unless the user refuses to remove the content or its very serious, we generally always try and let users making edits to their profile and sig themselves.

Not sure what ticket your are referring to or the context for that, or the exact wording so I can't really speak to that. Honestly though when I do see user's posting replies to tickets or warnings they often like to leave out a lot of info, and screenshots can be altered so I wouldn't necessarily trust screenshots and secondhand info at face value ^^' I won't deny that at times we simply can't give user's the answer they want, sometimes its just against our policy or just not a reasonable thing to do and we can't always explain exactly why because of privacy or confidentiality reasons.

One reason why I stopped collecting pets and now just trade them for art is because it's so easy to just get a strike. 3 strikes, you're out. Spent years collecting? Doesn't matter. Some rules I find really silly and kept forgetting because I just thought they were so stupid, mostly because of how I was raised. I think I last time got a strike or something because I posted a female anthro sheet (No nipples, naturally), and got in trouble for that. Then later saw male anthros with same sized breasts seemingly not getting into trouble. I wasn't raised to see much of a difference. It was weird to me I got a warning for that, which I can get their side now but yeah some rules are odd and you get in trouble and get a strike and after three you just loose everything.

As Sea mentioned, we do not and as far as I know have never had a strike system. There is also a warning level on your account that you can view, and will go down over time as the warnings 'expire'. We also heavily rely on user reports, if you see something that you think might break rules please report it. Just because it hasn't been taken down doesn't mean its following the rules.

And as mentioned you can send in tickets to ask if something is appropriate or not. Our site rules also are fairly clear on what we allow in terms of nudity. Part of it is also just site policy, and if there is a site policy you don't agree with and want to see changed it should really get its own suggestion thread.