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Re: What's up with oekaki thumbnails?? {discussion}

Postby Wind Mage » Fri Nov 27, 2020 1:42 pm

I'd like to add to this real quickly. I'm definitely on board with the idea that the mods need to become way more consistent with how they run the site/dictate what's considered spam or not.
Dia. wrote:We have noticed an increase in these sorts of threads in certain boards resulting in the uptick in locked threads. For example, character for character trades are becoming very popular, and these are commonly completed in another program and posted under a cover. In these instances it is clear that the focus of the thread is on the completed character, not the drawing in the cover. That's why are they are considered spam.


If the definition of spam really is the "clear focus that the thread is the completed character, not the drawing in the cover", then by your own definition, some pieces of art being locked don't deserve it. Like... As an example, my own c4c cover from a few days ago was locked, when the "cover" took me three hours to draw, and the art under it from clip took literally 15 minutes. I thought it was pretty clear just by looking at it that it was meant to be it's own standalone art separate from the clip studio art, and that it wasn't just a throwaway lazy cover. (AKA clean lineart, shading, and coloring in the lines. Which the alleged "main focus of the oekaki post" was missing.)

And in the case that EVERY piece of oekaki art on chickensmoothie with other art under it is considered spam, then why not enforce it like that...? As other people have brought up, things like egg adopts and closed-species adopts that are finished off-site have existed for years. For example (and I hope there's no issue with me posting these. I don't post on forums often so I'm not really familiar with etiquette when posting examples), Kalon 1600, posted in July 2019. The full body art for the kalon adopt posted under the cover was not completed in Chickenpaint, and was just posted under a cover. You can tell this by looking at the image-- the resolution of the actual adopt's image is too tall to have been fully completed on chickenpaint (600 x 400, and 600 x 440 respectively.) It has 14 pages of replies, and was open for over a month between October and November. Surely a mod must have seen it in that window of time? And if they did, they never considered it spam (because it's clearly not lol)

The main issue users are having with this wave of locked posts isn't that posts are being locked at all, it's the inconsistency of it. I think locking threads is very useful in some instances, like if something is the actual definition of spam (nothing but a blank canvas with words), then go ahead and lock it. But if there are pieces of oekaki art that so happen to have writing on them, how are they considered spam? And if it's true that every piece of oekaki art with more art embedded below is spam, then why are you not treating every board/piece of art equally? Or if you are, why are you only doing it now, after at least a year of allegedly not seeing it as a real issue?

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Re: What's up with oekaki thumbnails?? {discussion}

Postby shortstop » Fri Nov 27, 2020 1:42 pm

Rinovo wrote:
Imagine thinking the rules don't apply to you.
Rules are rules. You are not special. Its not "unfair" when your art that breaks a rule that has been in place for YEARS gets locked because you think you're special.

To all members of Chicken Smoothie Discourse, stop ruining this site with your toxicity and spam. The normal members of this site are sick of you.

Thats what a mod said?!?! I- wow they should not be a mod


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Re: What's up with oekaki thumbnails?? {discussion}

Postby Loelya » Fri Nov 27, 2020 1:43 pm

QueenOfWyrms wrote:Another thing, anyone else 80% sure they checked the rules on covers for one reason or another anytime in the past five years and found that covers were allowable as long as the oekaki drawing wasn't just words or a 2 minute sketch slapped up on it?

I’ve been lurking this thread and just kind of reading along with the concerns, but I’d like to second this point of confusion and would like to extend the question to the mods if any are reading and willing to offer clarification? I’ve genuinely thought in the past that covers for off-oekaki art are alright as long as the covers themselves are also art pieces in their own right.

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Re: What's up with oekaki thumbnails?? {discussion}

Postby Rinovo » Fri Nov 27, 2020 1:43 pm

QueenOfWyrms wrote:Another thing, anyone else 80% sure they checked the rules on covers for one reason or another {i]anytime in the past five years[/i] and found that covers were allowable as long as the oekaki drawing wasn't just words or a 2 minute sketch slapped up on it?

Honestly, I’m very sure that used to be the rule, but the rules do not show edits so I can’t confirm it
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Re: What's up with oekaki thumbnails?? {discussion}

Postby samㅤ » Fri Nov 27, 2020 1:44 pm

QueenOfWyrms wrote:Another thing, anyone else 80% sure they checked the rules on covers for one reason or another anytime in the past five years and found that covers were allowable as long as the oekaki drawing wasn't just words or a 2 minute sketch slapped up on it?


    yeah, which makes no sense as to why several(?) very detailed covers have been locked.
    i think mods and admins need to have a sit down and really go over the rules together, tbh. its clear that not everyone is
    on the same page. they need to communicate with each other and site users, especially since a lot of artists on here bring C$ into circulation and are keeping the site... active lmao.
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Re: What's up with oekaki thumbnails?? {discussion}

Postby chimeriae » Fri Nov 27, 2020 1:46 pm

ford wrote:along with what everyone is saying above, the problem with the off oekaki art boards is that... nobody really pays attention to them at all. posting your art there or selling adopts or anything really is basically just leaving your art to rot with no attention.

*sorry to dig up a post from so early on, i'm backreading haha


1000% this. c4c and other art trends that are being overrun with locks atm would not do nearly as well in the regular art/character boards. oekaki boards get more attention, that's just how it is, and excluding artists who can't make oekaki work for them is a very ... strange decision, especially for a site with such a large focus on art. you're isolating a large part of your userbase, and your userbase is already diminishing, for various reasons.

i'm honestly just really confused on why they're suddenly cracking down on this. i don't think anyone's complaining about under-the-cover designs/art. who asked for this? is it really such a big deal, at all? why are you forcing artists to use a program they don't like in order to be seen? even if they do update chickenpaint to be "better", there are still going to be artists who prefer other programs. simple doodles aren't hurting anyone, and literally do not qualify as spam, i have no idea where they're pulling that from. as mentioned before, seeing dozens of locks plastered all over the board seems much more spammy to me. i dunno man. this is such a weird choice on the staff's part.

honestly just concerned with the staff's response in general. random, strict enforcement with little to no explanation, vague explanation when questioned on it, deleting criticism... this is really disappointing to see :/
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Re: What's up with oekaki thumbnails?? {discussion}

Postby ×Seven of Nine× » Fri Nov 27, 2020 1:46 pm

Rinovo wrote:
QueenOfWyrms wrote:Another thing, anyone else 80% sure they checked the rules on covers for one reason or another {i]anytime in the past five years[/i] and found that covers were allowable as long as the oekaki drawing wasn't just words or a 2 minute sketch slapped up on it?

Honestly, I’m very sure that used to be the rule, but the rules do not show edits so I can’t confirm it


honestly I think that's how they get us. Unless we have screenshots of what they were before they can easily just claim the rules were this way the whole time.
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Re: What's up with oekaki thumbnails?? {discussion}

Postby iHolli » Fri Nov 27, 2020 1:50 pm

QueenOfWyrms wrote:Another thing, anyone else 80% sure they checked the rules on covers for one reason or another {i]anytime in the past five years[/i] and found that covers were allowable as long as the oekaki drawing wasn't just words or a 2 minute sketch slapped up on it?

{oh I definitely recall that being a rule. It was kind of a big deal. And it made sense as a rule--not this whole locking completely separate art pieces just because there's words included and another piece in the attached post.}

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Re: What's up with oekaki thumbnails?? {discussion}

Postby Cr0wz » Fri Nov 27, 2020 1:50 pm

I do just want to comment back on the spam comment

how can the mods make a comment about the covers for off oekaki art being considered spam without also considering covers for any art spam. There's no difference between the two besides having a second piece of art located below it.

For example, here's a few covers made by myself that were never locked, but are exactly the same (if not even more simple) than some of the covers I've seen locked
Simple simple cover for a species event
Literally any of these species collab covers. This entire species collab project I did could be considered spammy but it was never touched by mods
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Re: What's up with oekaki thumbnails?? {discussion}

Postby div » Fri Nov 27, 2020 1:52 pm

im gonna be honest, i think this whole situation has started with no communication with or from the mods. they locked post without reasoning despite different context mentioned earlier to them. the mods have stated things but have refused to talk about or work with players, causing more distress and anger. there has been no announcement or rule or statement or anything put out by any staff, and it's infuriating a lot of people.
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