oekaki thumbnails discussion {READ FIRST POST}

[×Seven of Nine×]

Honestly,,, easiest way to fix this? Give the option to upload offsite art( it would appear exactly like it was done on oekaki.) Have it automatically be labeled as a off-site work on its post if the mods are worried about art theft. It isn’t that hard...

The off-Oekaki forums could likely be overhauled to do this, but as I said before, change is driven by consumer usage. People would really need to start using those forums to make it worth the time for staff to improve things. Ideally, someone should start a thread in the suggestions forum to start garnering ideas and getting staff attention. Show interest, and you're likely to force some change.

change is also driven by lack of use. If they want us to use the thing and we find it unusable they should probably do something about it.

[AwkwardAnxiety]

I was talked off-handedly to my mom about this and apparently websites can now get fined if they cant prove art belongs to the person claiming it?? My mom thinks that's the reason for the new crackdown.

[ford]

The off-Oekaki forums could likely be overhauled to do this, but as I said before, change is driven by consumer usage. People would really need to start using those forums to make it worth the time for staff to improve things. Ideally, someone should start a thread in the suggestions forum to start garnering ideas and getting staff attention. Show interest, and you're likely to force some change.

the reason people don't use it is because it's not laid out well at all. that's why people are asking for it to be revamped. nobody wants to use them in the state it's in.

[×Seven of Nine×]

I am curious on one thing; what makes these covers “spam”?

Noun: irrelevant or inappropriate messages sent on the internet to a large number of recipients.
Verb: send the same message indiscriminately to (large numbers of recipients) on the internet.

What makes using a cover spam?
If spam is the problem why not set a drawing submission timer-based limit? Like there is on certain trade and discussion forums?

kinda sounds like those locks they use.... Those seem like spam to me, unsolicited obnoxious red lock things pasted everywhere. But heavens forbid we uh... Do different stuff lol

[FangirlTrash]

I was talked off-handedly to my mom about this and apparently websites can now get fined if they cant prove art belongs to the person claiming it?? My mom thinks that's the reason for the new crackdown.

If this is true for CS, then the staff should definitely share this with the community instead of living us in the dark.

[shortstop]

The off-Oekaki forums could likely be overhauled to do this, but as I said before, change is driven by consumer usage. People would really need to start using those forums to make it worth the time for staff to improve things. Ideally, someone should start a thread in the suggestions forum to start garnering ideas and getting staff attention. Show interest, and you're likely to force some change.

the reason people don't use it is because it's not laid out well at all. that's why people are asking for it to be revamped. nobody wants to use them in the state it's in.

Genuinely curious, have people complained about the art forums before? We know they're not great, but perhaps it hasn't been brought to moderator attention in a big way yet? That could explain why there haven't been any changes.

[zee,]

I was talked off-handedly to my mom about this and apparently websites can now get fined if they cant prove art belongs to the person claiming it?? My mom thinks that's the reason for the new crackdown.

im not familiar with this, but couldn’t they just implement a rule of including a progress pic/proof to prove that the art is yours? this seems like a simple fix unless im misunderstanding the situation

[div]

I was talked off-handedly to my mom about this and apparently websites can now get fined if they cant prove art belongs to the person claiming it?? My mom thinks that's the reason for the new crackdown.

interesting observation, didn't know about that
it could be possible? but i feel like this should / could have been adressed by the site itself
however im not sure what exactly IS adressed, considering communication issues have been
a problem, resulting possibly in this situation.
generally, it's pretty easy to tell when art is being stolen
also generally, as someone who has posted off-oekaki and on oekaki-art, and have generally seen a lot of other artists do the same, it's pretty easy to recognize judging off oekaki drawings and on-oekaki drawings.

[×Seven of Nine×]

I was talked off-handedly to my mom about this and apparently websites can now get fined if they cant prove art belongs to the person claiming it?? My mom thinks that's the reason for the new crackdown.

there are whole sites dedicated to posting your own art, I'm sure if cs looked at them for inspiration they can figure out workarounds for that.

[iHolli]

There's no reason to ban "character for character" threads, so long as they are following the rules. Many people do use the Oekaki canvas to create their characters for these trades, and that is okay! Egg/gatcha adopts also aren't spam if they are drawn on the Oekaki canvas. If someone wants to use another program, they can use the User-made adopts or Character Designs Sales boards.

The Oekaki board is for making and sharing art in the Oekaki program. If that is what it is being used for, it's okay.

i believe the original question still remains unanswered.

a handful of egg adopts run by several users (popular artists come to mind, but i'm not going to name them as that's beside the point) have had the actual adopts posted and done off-oekaki. despite this none of these threads have never been locked even though, as you stated in this thread, that adopts made off-oekaki arent allowed even with a cover (in this case, it is the egg/gacha capsule)

there have also been instances in the past where char4chars with a simple sketch on the cover + an "adopt below" message have not been locked despite this supposed rule being in place since 2015 (as you've stated in this post). i'm currently busy so i can't link such past examples right now as it requires a bit of digging and i'm busy, but if you could give me two or so hours that would be lovely.

(or someone else on the thread would like to contribute by searching for me; i would be eternally grateful)

i would send this as a help ticket as well, so that this can reach cs staff quicker, but as multiple users are concerned with this issue, i think it would be helpful if this was answered in a public thread and not a private ticket.

don't get me wrong, i really don't think there is anything wrong with these covers being locked; that rule makes perfect sense and i agree with it. what i don't agree is that there is a sudden tightening of this rule without warning (as i am very much certain that cs staff have given the allowance of covers as long as there is a sketch at minimum on the oekaki piece) and mods attempting to brush questions about it under the rug by putting their hands on their hips and petulantly saying that "it's been in place for a while, you're just being silly"

just in case this message gets deleted, i have it saved and i have no qualms against reposting it especially if it was done without explanation.

{I'm going to come in to second this. After almost a decade on this site I have never noticed the above examples being locked until now. If it was a rule since 2015 then I guess no one was actually tending to the enforcement.}
{As many others have said, there's no better way to get adopts into the community. I can speak from experience--if I'm looking for designs to buy I go directly to Oekaki. The text forums might as well not exist at all, they're so easily forgotten. It's messy and too difficult to browse designs at a glance there, vs Oekaki boards where I can just scroll through to see what interests me. Even if the actual image is a cover, the first post with the art is right there if I want to view it quickly.}
{The double standard with closed species milestones is absurd. Many artists use covers just as detailed for their designs. If CS is randomly [yes, VERY randomly] deciding to ban designs not done strictly in Oekaki then everything should go.}
{I can understand this rule in some cases, but in the vast majority it's ridiculous. Again, as others have said already, Oekaki is a NIGHTMARE to use. It's nearly impossible for me to work with on my computer as is, and completely unusable on mobile & tablet alike. Something needs to be fixed, and deciding to essentially gatekeep artists is not it.}
{Also, the red lock is hideous and definitely way more spammy than anything else lmao. It's like a group of people in a Discord server sending the same emojis repeatedly. Give me a break}
{Nice to know that in almost a decade CS rules, which were terrible to start with, have just gotten worse. I'm continuously impressed. This is a kid's game, guys. Chill.}

I was talked off-handedly to my mom about this and apparently websites can now get fined if they cant prove art belongs to the person claiming it?? My mom thinks that's the reason for the new crackdown.

{While I'm not surprised I think sites like DeviantArt should be way more concerned about this than CS. The easy solution is putting together something that allows off-site uploads [as someone previously mentioned]. Or, y'know, just fixing Oekaki. Telling everyone to put their art in a forum definitely will not fix this. Actually, that's more suspicious. Anyone can copy paste an image from somewhere like Pinterest--hell, haven't we all done that to code our signatures at one time or another?}
{Anyway, I agree with the user who said this is something CS staff should make us aware of instead of suddenly blocking people from sharing their work at all.}
{I also have my post saved in case someone decides to delete it with no explanation. Please learn to take criticism when it's constructive and about serious issues.}

.Holli.