Dog Owner Chat V. 5

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Re: Dog Owner Chat V. 5

Postby Naeco » Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:15 am

appology wrote:I just see it as:
You wouldn't put a collar on a childs neck if they misbehaved so it could vibrate/stimulate their muscles. Obviously, the stimulation isn't comforting, otherwise, it would not be used as a last resort to fixing an issue. The vibrations would be uncomfortable or the beeping would be annoying and the shocks are self-explanatory.
Whilst I agree that it isn't always done in methods that are abusive, it still doesn't render my opinions about it.


But you also have to understand, children grow up and learn words and whatnot. Become more mature and understand a wider vocabulary. Dogs? Not so much. They are forever toddlers.

As a child, I was spanked when not behaved. I was put in the corner, etc. This all changed my behavior drastically and nearly instantly. I understood it was bad.

This is what this is teaching the dog. If used correctly, you give a correction for the bad thing and then distract and work toward a good thing and reward.

When a child is bad, a phone is taken away, or they are grounded. It is much too difficult to ground a dog because everything is exciting. Oh, take the toy away? Well food is exciting too. So is potty. So is the vet (for some). So is walkies. Everything for a dog, most dogs, is exciting. The other form of correction is a correction. Either you stop the behavior then and now, or you wait and try to distract. Wait works for some breeds and dogs. It worked for my Labrador and my Labrador mix. But my LabxGSD/Husky, heck no! She tested everything. There was no such thing as distract and wait then reward. If you gave her one chance to do it, it took many, many times over to fix it.
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Re: Dog Owner Chat V. 5

Postby tea! » Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:00 am

appology wrote:
halogen. wrote:
appology wrote:I just see it as:
You wouldn't put a collar on a childs neck if they misbehaved so it could vibrate/stimulate their muscles. Obviously, the stimulation isn't comforting, otherwise, it would not be used as a last resort to fixing an issue. The vibrations would be uncomfortable or the beeping would be annoying and the shocks are self-explanatory.
Whilst I agree that it isn't always done in methods that are abusive, it still doesn't render my opinions about it.


Used properly, they are not used to shock when a dog misbehaves or even to teach commands. They are used for commands that the dog knows, and used makes these known commands bombproof. Dogs are also not children and the fact that you are comparing them makes your argument unsound.
Do you have a dog?

I have two dogs but I am also close to children. With puppies, their needs are almost identical - food, drink, warmth, sanitation and socialising. I don't believe that the dogs should be treated with any less respect than a child and even human. It is not the only method of training.
Regardless of any input, you have on the subject, the collar will not help the dogs aggression. Its aggression has a cause and that cause will only worsen if it's punished. The safest and most efficient way of getting rid of the aggression is to find the problem and then solve it. Whether this is fear of the other dog or just caught up in excitement/has too much energy, the collar won't help.


    I think we just have to remember here, that dog's aren't human.
    Dogs are dogs. An E-collar puts out a very low muscle simulation or a soft
    vibration. The dog learns that these two things are good because every vibration
    or simulation you reward with treats. If a dog is pulling, a soft vibration and it
    will look up to you and stop what it is doing. The vibration teaches to the dog
    to focus on you / what it's doing is good. It's the same as a clicker. Dog sits,
    vibration = treats and good !

    But dogs are dogs, they don't need to be pampered
    like human children. They don't need clothes
    unless it is for protection or they are hairless. They
    don't need a heated pool and will gladly hop into a
    lake during the winter and enjoy the time swimming.
    They love running and getting messy. They trip, they get
    back up and continue playing.

    edit :: did you also know that doctors now use a soft vibration
    above the area where they give a child their shot ? The child focuses
    on the vibration and doesn't even realize the pain of the shot. It helps
    them to associate the vibration with no pain and something good.
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Re: Dog Owner Chat V. 5

Postby eff » Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:56 am

I understand where you are all coming from. But all (if not most) of you are forgetting what I initially replied to.
E-collars will not fix aggressive dogs.
You can give all the examples you like about how a dog isn't human but emotions we share with everything. Dogs can have trauma as can humans. I never said that dogs are human; I said they should be respected as. They shouldn't be hurt or abused (not saying the collar is abusive. I am saying a dog should not be hit or any other form of abuse) just as a human shouldn't. They, as all animals, should have that, at least, as a right.
So, you can give all the examples you wish of your dogs' swimming, play biting, etc. and how the collar can be used to fix something. But at the end of the day, the collars can't help with something like aggression, trauma fear, etc. Trauma and fear can lead to aggression in any animal. Aggression can be hereditary or they are born with it written within them to be a certain way. Humans and dogs can technically have the same mental illnesses. The dog may or may not have a mental illness and shows signs to it, but it is something to consider before trying to wire it out with shocks, vibrations and beeps. Dogs can have obsessive compulsiveness, depression, anxiety, experience and react negatively towards grief of a loved one, aggression and so on. All of these are things we can associate to as humans.
Attempt to find the source of it before collaring your dog.
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Re: Dog Owner Chat V. 5

Postby shadow~wolf » Sun Feb 11, 2018 10:19 am

i'm very sorry if i started an argument. i was just asking so that i can help educate someone else.

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Re: Dog Owner Chat V. 5

Postby Marley.&.Me » Sun Feb 11, 2018 10:26 am

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hey guys just casually sliding in with a picture from last year when he realized swimming wasn’t that bad.... only if sticks are involved

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Re: Dog Owner Chat V. 5

Postby Blue_Aussie » Sun Feb 11, 2018 10:29 am

Hey, I have a golden retriever, he is so sweet! The problem is, he barks at ANYTHING that passes our house, even things that aren't there! What do I do?
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Re: Dog Owner Chat V. 5

Postby taurus ; » Sun Feb 11, 2018 10:32 am

Shadow~Wolf wrote:i'm very sorry if i started an argument. i was just asking so that i can help educate someone else.

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Re: Dog Owner Chat V. 5

Postby eff » Sun Feb 11, 2018 12:11 pm

halogen. wrote:
Shadow~Wolf wrote:i'm very sorry if i started an argument. i was just asking so that i can help educate someone else.

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Naw it's okay! Furmommies are iust annoying as hell :lol:


You clearly are trying to make an argument over something you don't understand.
I suggest that you stop because the thread isn't for you to insult someone over your
lack of capability on seeing through different perspectives.

LexyB wrote:Hey, I have a golden retriever, he is so sweet! The problem is, he barks at ANYTHING that passes our house, even things that aren't there! What do I do?

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Re: Dog Owner Chat V. 5

Postby taurus ; » Sun Feb 11, 2018 12:56 pm

This little guy is turning into an awesome dog! He'll be 5 months soon.
High sport dog prospect since my sports with Spade are so limited since she's DA. He's got the drive and the smarts.
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Re: Dog Owner Chat V. 5

Postby Skysong » Sun Feb 11, 2018 12:57 pm

Sorry to interrupt the discussion going on

But Thor and Lilly are adorable.
Even when Lilly takes up the entire dog bed and Thor sleeps next to her on the floor.

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