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Re: Pet Counts for Rarity Ratios - Preparing for Rereleases

Postby Solloby » Sat Jul 15, 2017 1:03 pm

Yeah from memory the heavy striped blue was more common.
Might've been a mistake then, or perhaps the data set wasn't big enough? Seems odd though. We have rarity change dates for the stripe/spot litter though don't we? At the end of the day we only really need to look at data for pets too rare to have rarity change info available.
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Re: Pet Counts for Rarity Ratios - Preparing for Rereleases

Postby nickjr » Sat Jul 15, 2017 1:09 pm

Probably just a mistake and mostly inconsequential in the long run, yeah (2008 rerelease was the smallest rerelease most likely, and we've now had 9 rereleases total). I think Law took almost the census of the 2008 rereleases. And I think we do have the VR change dates for that litter; I can only find 6 of the litter in the R -> VR change post, but Lya (and DD?) combed through the Rarity Changes thread to find the VR change dates after that R -> VR post was last updated I think? so either they have the change dates for the remaining 3 outcomes, or those 3 outcomes changed before the R -> VR record started (or the posted forgot to add them)
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Re: Pet Counts for Rarity Ratios - Preparing for Rereleases

Postby Law » Sat Jul 15, 2017 1:15 pm

Another interesting thing is that all outcomes within a litter have around same occurrence during rerelease (at least for the July/August and Joker litters). I wonder if this is still true after 2009 :o

And random question: Taking a look at the rarity changes archive, it looks like the blue light stripe went very rare at about the same time as the advents... does this mean that they are equally rare?
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Re: Pet Counts for Rarity Ratios - Preparing for Rereleases

Postby nickjr » Sat Jul 15, 2017 1:19 pm

Law wrote:Another interesting thing is that all outcomes within a litter have around same occurrence during rerelease (at least for the July/August and Joker litters). I wonder if this is still true after 2009 :o

... I somehow doubt that LOL that's another reason I'm interested in comparing the rerelease data

Law wrote:And random question: Taking a look at the rarity changes archive, it looks like the blue light stripe went very rare at about the same time as the advents... does this mean that they are equally rare?

As far as the system was/is concerned, yes

(and October 2008 and Advent 2008 were so close together that I kinda doubt there was a lot of error despite being on the old rarity system, which did not ignore inactive accounts or pets on inactive accounts and was in use until August 2012)

I'm not really surprised since... there were a ton of October 2008 pets floating around lol while we had pretty tight adoption limits for the advents!

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1) Solloby's hoping to get more people with statistics knowledge on board! Right now it's basically just us two (there was also an actual stat major, but I think they're busy now? D: ) and it feels kinda weird (at least to me) as neither of us have more than an introductory knowledge of statistics

2) The next step(s) that anyone can help with: drafting a presentation format for the data/conclusions! Here are some details from Sol's previous posts:

Solloby wrote:I will post the results here in a fairly raw format but we can start discussing a template for releasing our information in a more user-friendly format for general consumption too.

Something that contains the image, pet name, litter name, the rarity % per litter, if it's doable the % across litter but will need to check if the rerelease data is sufficient for such a comparison first, whether the rarity is statistically different compared to its littermates, example adoption #s (like that Sorbet eg from last page where if you adopted 8 you get 2 of each colour). That sort of info, nicely formatted. Would also like to set up a nice spreadsheet for the full raw data dump for stat-interested users on top of the easy-to-read info. That's the forward plan right now, I think?

Solloby; this is the referenced "that Sorbet eg" wrote:My original plan was to use CS posts with images and provide examples in addition to the % figures such as "if you adopted 8 Sorbets, on average 2 would be pink, 2 would be green, 2 would be yellow, 2 would be blue". I think that might help for litters like the sundogs to make it clear how much rarer a sunjewel is compared to a sunback?
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Re: Pet Counts for Rarity Ratios - Preparing for Rereleases

Postby Law » Sat Jul 15, 2017 1:33 pm

Welp I'll get started on collecting the '10 pet images for the '10 rerelease.

Why is it not on the advent list >.> <.<

My new goal will be making sure nickjr gets the top post on every page :P
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Re: Pet Counts for Rarity Ratios - Preparing for Rereleases

Postby DaDwarf » Sat Jul 15, 2017 9:24 pm

@law because the list started out as advents only, and pets got overlooked c: it was never seen as valuable as a few of the early 09 vrs. Im hoping with these statistics we can finally add pets (and rats) that def shouldve been up there!!
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Re: Pet Counts for Rarity Ratios - Preparing for Rereleases

Postby Erythro » Sun Jul 16, 2017 2:05 am

nickjr wrote:1) Solloby's hoping to get more people with statistics knowledge on board! Right now it's basically just us two (there was also an actual stat major, but I think they're busy now? D: ) and it feels kinda weird (at least to me) as neither of us have more than an introductory knowledge of statistics

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Re: Pet Counts for Rarity Ratios - Preparing for Rereleases

Postby Wookieinmashoo » Sun Jul 16, 2017 11:45 am

I don't know if this is the right place to ask this, but I was wondering when the July 2009 butterfly wolves became very rare. Is there a thread that could help me with rarity changes?
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Re: Pet Counts for Rarity Ratios - Preparing for Rereleases

Postby da, » Sun Jul 16, 2017 11:48 am

Wookieinmashoo wrote:I don't know if this is the right place to ask this, but I was wondering when the July 2009 butterfly wolves became very rare. Is there a thread that could help me with rarity changes?


The Upcoming Rarity Change Discussion thread is meant for that, although people don't really use that thread for discussing pets that should have a rarity change.
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Re: Pet Counts for Rarity Ratios - Preparing for Rereleases

Postby Wookieinmashoo » Sun Jul 16, 2017 11:49 am

CollectorsEdition wrote:
Wookieinmashoo wrote:I don't know if this is the right place to ask this, but I was wondering when the July 2009 butterfly wolves became very rare. Is there a thread that could help me with rarity changes?


The Upcoming Rarity Change Discussion thread is meant for that, although people don't really use that thread for discussing pets that should have a rarity change.


Thanks, I just realized that the thread for posting rarity changes actually might have what I'm looking for
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