Rarity system updated to add 4 new categories!

[Loelya]

from my understanding, the guesswork came from not being able to have specific numbers, then and now. I'm all for placing the technical value of a raven dog as the same as a "lower" list bun if it has around the same number of total pets. unfortunately we don't have access to exact numbers, so there will always be some amount of guesswork involved. I do agree with you though that the new system helps narrow down a lot of guesswork by broadening the categories, with the exception of the OMG so rare.

my concern is that the numbers are not equal in the top tier category now. like I said I find it very difficult to believe there are the same or even close to the same number of cerbs as cookie advents or buns. I've seen all sorts of '08 pets in circulation my entire trading career, but when I was hunting way back when for my orange cerberus, I would see maybe 1 out of 50 accounts even have one available, let alone be able to trade it. and that was over a decade ago. even within the last year I've seen maybe 1 orange cerb to 200-300 cookie dogs or buns. even taking no demand into account, I can't see those numbers being close enough to be a fair swap. that's what I was trying to get at earlier, though I'm not sure I explained well enough.

I think I see what you’re saying! these are valid concerns and I do think you and others are right that given the update, as a userbase, we may need to focus more effort now on differentiating different omgrs from each other. I don’t necessarily think this update fixed the entire site, in fact I think there will probably always be some form of problem to work around, but I guess when it comes down to it on a personal basis I prefer to work on these new potential problems rather than stick with the old problems.

[BlueEyedKite]

I'm throw my two cents in but what about Dec 18th Now with so many VRs and ER and tons of OMGSR how are we to get anything good if ER and OMGSR are in one group. Could get a ER from 2011 worth nothing or OMGSR worth nothing kinda feel Dec 18th need a rework because of this update.

My hope is they get rid of the rare boxes altogether. With the addition of the new rarities I think the boxes should be very rare+ pets with the final box being Extremely Rare+. Imagine waiting all year and pulling 2 rare pets (that were uncommon before) and 1 very rare (which was a rare before). If it's very rare plus someone could pull 2 very rares (with one or both being rare before the update) and 1 Extremely Rare (which was very rare last year). That seems more fair to most users

[conarcoin]

I'd love to see some numbers behind the updated rarity bars, like how many pets per person a rarity level means or if there's anything else taken into account. I think there once was something like this years ago for the old labels and i found it helpful to understand the levels better.

I skimmed through and don't think this has been asked, but apologies if it was.

Would we be able to get the numbers on this? Like Common meaning 1 pet in x users, as so on.

This was last answered back in 2009 (as far as I could find), and I wouldn't be surprised if that information was outdated even before this update.

I think it would help give an even better understanding of what the rarities mean... and I'm a lil nerd who likes the numbers.

This is not currently something we're planning to release (from the poll post:)

please be aware that some things (like sharing the exact number of different pets in circulation) are not a potential part of this update.

I think there's a misunderstanding here. No one's asking for exact pet counts, which is what Lacuna is talking about. We're asking for the threshold at which each rarity category is determined.

[StardewAddict]

Loving the new system so far! one of my pets I got from the 18th during the 2021 Christmas event became an omg so rare, never thought I'd have one of those so that was a pleasant surprise

[Bilaz]

Just gonna be 100% honest here, I just think that maybe… Just maybe, the gap between pets like the joker and the 09s and the Moonswirl was just never that large to begin this (and I say this as a Moonswirl owner)
Rereleases exist after all to stop pets from becoming unobtainable. It seems to me that it makes sense that over time older pets all end up gathering around a certain number of ‘pets in circulation’ that the site owners deem reasonable for an extremely rare pet.

[PronghornPlush]

i think this is a good change! before there was a huge amount of value variance that was all just under rare/uc

[Casper117]

The distinction between 'unknown, still growing' and 'unknown' is VERY appreciated. It makes it so much easier to know at a glance what pets are actually full grown and which are still growing without having to click on them. Also, being able to pick between multiple different ways to displaying the rarity is a very nice touch as well, makes it clean and easy to pick what works best for you.

This is going to have a pretty big positive impact on trading in my opinion. A lot less ambiguity on how much a certain pet is worth and spread out rarity much more evenly

[infinityfate]

My thoughts: OMGSR pets have always been wildly varying in perceived value/demand due to factors beyond rarity. That's why the list existed (which I personally never liked). There are more OMGSR pets now, but rarity =/= value and that has always been the case.

I like numbers, so I'd also be curious about rarity level thresholds, but I don't think knowing that would change anything either. If mods came out and said "OMGSR are all pets rarer than 1 in 3000 accounts", people still wouldn't be satisfied imo until they get exact numbers for each pet.

Idk, I don't know if this can or even should be addressed. I really wouldn't want even more categories or tiers, it's clunky enough as it is already. Maybe we can just accept that OMGSR is the final station of the rarest pets, and leave it at that. Getting super duper specific and creating whole new categories just for the sake of a handful of ultra-rare pets, which are already unattainable for most regular users, is silly imo.

my concern is that the numbers are not equal in the top tier category now. like I said I find it very difficult to believe there are the same or even close to the same number of cerbs as cookie advents or buns. I've seen all sorts of '08 pets in circulation my entire trading career, but when I was hunting way back when for my orange cerberus, I would see maybe 1 out of 50 accounts even have one available, let alone be able to trade it. and that was over a decade ago. even within the last year I've seen maybe 1 orange cerb to 200-300 cookie dogs or buns. even taking no demand into account, I can't see those numbers being close enough to be a fair swap. that's what I was trying to get at earlier, though I'm not sure I explained well enough.[/center]

Of course they're not equal in the top tier. The top tier has no cap by definition of being the top tier, so it includes all the pets who made the cutoff for OMGSR, whatever that cutoff might be.

I have no idea on the numbers, but let's say for example an OMGSR is 1 in 1000 accounts. Some pets might just barely make the cut with a rarity of 1 in 1003, while others might be as rare as 1 in 2500 or even 1 in 4000. Unless you want to make even more successively rarer categories, with each having less and less pets until you're hitting single digits, there's not really anything we can do about this.

[Loelya]

I like numbers, so I'd also be curious about rarity level thresholds, but I don't think knowing that would change anything either. If mods came out and said "OMGSR are all pets rarer than 1 in 3000 accounts", people still wouldn't be satisfied imo until they get exact numbers for each pet.

I don't think that knowing the thresholds would necessarily "satisfy" the wider user base on rarity levels but what it would do is provide some key information for those who put together guides and archives on understanding pet value.

building comprehensive guides on pet rarity and rarity history is something that several dedicated players onsite do and have done over the course of CS's existence as a website. and that sort of thing takes a ton of effort, time, and research (research meaning searching up old forum posts and piecing together what we know from those vs what we've been aware of over the timeline of CS.)

for those who are diligent guide-makers, knowing the thresholds on rarity calculation would remove some extra guessing from the process of structuring new help for less experienced traders.

[Agent Blue]

Does anyone else use the CS Helper Chrome extension? I wonder if this is working on getting updated too, I haven't been able to find anything.

Reorganizing my pets is going to be chaos, and so is trading, but I'm happy with the change so far! It'll take time to get used to, I'm excited to see what trading will be like