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[rockonyo]

Are you guys againest clipping your pet bird wings?

I kinda of have to clips my bird wings for many safey, I know I can tame which I will but it still a wild bird no matter how much you tame it or what ever, I mean it doesn't hurt the bird unless you went to far then ya it will bleed and cause pain for the poor birdy. Though My friend said it like declawing a cat nail which I think it not like that because declawing a cat means removing the fully nail, and clipping the bird wings is only clipping the fly feather and it grows back which is good, I will let the bird wings grow then let it fly but after i have to clip it for it own safey. I am not againest it

[MapleNeko]

I personally feel it's the safest thing to do when you own a bird. Right now i'm part of a parrot forum where someone who's most beloved, free flighted GWM , who almost never spooks, got spooked and has now been missing for over a month. Had the bird been wearing a harness or was clipped, she would not be missing. Now This is all the opinion to the owner i think, but i know, i would never, in a million years, be willing to lose my DYHA, he is too dear to me, and he doesn't really seem to mind being clipped, if he wants to get somewhere, he climbs to the floor and goes there himself. Agian, i believe this is all personal opinion, this is just how i feel on the subject.

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Sadly his sibling was the first to go at 2 days old.. he jumped from the nest and looked fine, but I guess he wasn't. I think that they both hatched too early, they only took around 10-11 days to hatch when they were supposed to take 13. Her other chicks, which are 5 weeks old, are doing really good. One is trained to return to your hand on command and the other just likes to sit in your hand. =)

I am sorry to hear about them Both But the older ones seem very trusting already, and I can't wait to hear more about them!

Okay! Thank you, guys! I'm not sure on the EXACT measurements but the lady at Petsmart (who seemed pretty knowledgable about budgies) said the cage we picked was good for two budgies. I can't get another cage because of space, however they seem to be faring pretty well together. I'll try target training, thank you for the suggestion. I believe they're about 1 year and 10 months. They seem pretty young, though. Their cere color changes a lot (from blue to brown and sometimes purple) so I'm guessing that means they're pretty young still. I asked the lady and do she said they get them when they're 1 year old. I spend about 10 minutes each day and whatever I can fit in after, so it might total up to 20-25 all together? I mostly stand next to their cage and talk to them. Sometimes I sit with my computer in front of their cage and just let them get used to me.

However...
Improvement!
When I was changing their food bowls and water today, my birds seemed very brave suddenly? They were approaching the front of their cage boldly, and standing at the entrance thing. I changed the water and food and all, and my birds just didn't seem very scared? So, I decided to try something: hand-feeding! Yes, I know it's a big step. I put some millet in both my hands and they ACTUALLY came and sat on my hand and ate! It's amazing! They don't seem very fearful now. Even the shy female(?) is pretty bold now. So, uh, yeah. I'm not sure how this change happened, especially over night, but they seem to be trusting me more now!


Also, about letting my birds out of their cage, I asked my mom and she said to wait for my dad to come home (he works out of state, and only comes home for 2-3 days before he's off again so he isn't home often) so I guess I'll be waiting a while. I'm kind of wary of this happening, however. My dad is more of a rough and tough tough man. If something happened, he can be quite unpredictable. I just don't want him handling my birds too roughly or chasing them around because 1. They will then be scared of coming outside and be trautamized (I think, depending on what happens) and 2. Our trust could be lost.
So, yeah!

How long have you had them? And from my understanding petsmart gets their birds very young probably 3-4 months, not 1 year.
I suggest spending at LEAST 1 hour with them every day, more if you can. A tame bird will need several house of interaction with humans every day, but since yours are bonded together less is okay, but still not ideal.
Why do you need to wait for your dad? Birds should never be forced to do something they don't want to do, especially when they don't trust you quite yet. I say target train and spend time with them every day before you get them out. If you fear your dad will hurt them or forcefully grab them, then I don't recommend letting him hear them to be honest.. They are very very fragile and have hollow bones, plus vet visits are not cheap at all.

Are you guys againest clipping your pet bird wings?

I kinda of have to clips my bird wings for many safey, I know I can tame which I will but it still a wild bird no matter how much you tame it or what ever, I mean it doesn't hurt the bird unless you went to far then ya it will bleed and cause pain for the poor birdy. Though My friend said it like declawing a cat nail which I think it not like that because declawing a cat means removing the fully nail, and clipping the bird wings is only clipping the fly feather and it grows back which is good, I will let the bird wings grow then let it fly but after i have to clip it for it own safey. I am not againest it

I am very against clipping a birds wings in most situations. BIrds have wings for a reason and should be able to use them if they please. They should have a CHOICE to go or do whatever they want to when they want to, and not be forced to stay with us because it is 'more convenient' to us. We are much more powerful then a bird and we tend to forget that. Just because we CAN overpower them, doesn't mean we should. A healthy relationship with your parrot should be them CHOOSING to be with you, not being FORCED to because you clipped their wings to make things "easier" on yourself.

Don't you want your bird to be with you when it wants to? It show that these wild, animals of prey actually WANT to be near you or on you.

As for taming, it is much much much better that you have them not clipped, so they will be able to get out of a situation they do not like. If they were clipped them would be forced to be there, and would have a bad experience with it and in turn have a negative attitude towards you.

( That being said there are of course some situations where it is very needed for the bird to be clipped, i.e. if they are injured, born with spray legs, in a household where flying would be dangerous at all ( maybe a home where there are too many windows to be covered up ) etc. But in 99% of situations clipping is extremely unnecessary. )

I personally feel it's the safest thing to do when you own a bird. Right now i'm part of a parrot forum where someone who's most beloved, free flighted GWM , who almost never spooks, got spooked and has now been missing for over a month. Had the bird been wearing a harness or was clipped, she would not be missing. Now This is all the opinion to the owner i think, but i know, i would never, in a million years, be willing to lose my DYHA, he is too dear to me, and he doesn't really seem to mind being clipped, if he wants to get somewhere, he climbs to the floor and goes there himself. Agian, i believe this is all personal opinion, this is just how i feel on the subject.

This is 100% the owners fault and not the birds ability to fly... at all. This does not help you argument that birds should be clipped in any way because it was the owners stupid doings. It's not the birds fault that it got spooked, it was the owners for not having it on a harness. Easy fix.. just buy a harness. Birds should never be in a situation where they could fly out of your house or escape. I'm not sure if by "free flighted" you mean he was being flown outside, or that he was allowed to fly indoors.. but if he was indoors he should have never been in any kind of situation where he could have gotten outside and that's the owners fault completely.
Sometimes birds get spooked but this bird obviously didn't have proper professional flight training anyways and should have been on a harness, so it's the owners fault.

Clipped birds get out all the time. Clipped birds can still "fly away"If there is even a hint of wind in the air for them to get lift.Clipped birds still get hurt all the time by things that flighted birds would never be injured by. Here's one of my favorite posts explaining why flighted birds are happier, healthier, and most importantly more confident in themselves and trust their humans more.

[rockonyo]

Are you guys againest clipping your pet bird wings?

I kinda of have to clips my bird wings for many safey, I know I can tame which I will but it still a wild bird no matter how much you tame it or what ever, I mean it doesn't hurt the bird unless you went to far then ya it will bleed and cause pain for the poor birdy. Though My friend said it like declawing a cat nail which I think it not like that because declawing a cat means removing the fully nail, and clipping the bird wings is only clipping the fly feather and it grows back which is good, I will let the bird wings grow then let it fly but after i have to clip it for it own safey. I am not againest it

I am very against clipping a birds wings in most situations. BIrds have wings for a reason and should be able to use them if they please. They should have a CHOICE to go or do whatever they want to when they want to, and not be forced to stay with us because it is 'more convenient' to us. We are much more powerful then a bird and we tend to forget that. Just because we CAN overpower them, doesn't mean we should. A healthy relationship with your parrot should be them CHOOSING to be with you, not being FORCED to because you clipped their wings to make things "easier" on yourself.

Don't you want your bird to be with you when it wants to? It show that these wild, animals of prey actually WANT to be near you or on you.

As for taming, it is much much much better that you have them not clipped, so they will be able to get out of a situation they do not like. If they were clipped them would be forced to be there, and would have a bad experience with it and in turn have a negative attitude towards you.

( That being said there are of course some situations where it is very needed for the bird to be clipped, i.e. if they are injured, born with spray legs, in a household where flying would be dangerous at all ( maybe a home where there are too many windows to be covered up ) etc. But in 99% of situations clipping is extremely unnecessary. )




It can still be with me even if I clip his wings, the only different is that he won't be able to fly for a few months or until his feather grows back, I will ask the petstore if he doesn't mind his wing being clips because I want clips the wings for personal reason, even taming them still won't stop them from being wild, My fish and tamed but they still be wild like any other wild fish, some bird will listen but some won't, My bird that I am getting soon just like me holding it and playing with it, he always climb on my hand when i try feed him cx he a silly bird. And the bird will not always be in a cage I was hoping they sell bird tanks like they are cage but the bottom is safe like a fish tank bottom if you know what I mean, I just don't want the bird to hurt himself, I will let the wings grow back so he can enjoy flying but after 7 month i will clips it wing maybe not sure, my mom doesn't want the bird flying in the house, that one reason why I have to clips it wings. Eh I have a lot of windows in my house and my house is kinda of big the roof is hight and there a space between the walls and roof and if the bird fly there I wouldn't be able to get it or see what it eating or grab since it hight,

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Are you guys againest clipping your pet bird wings?

I kinda of have to clips my bird wings for many safey, I know I can tame which I will but it still a wild bird no matter how much you tame it or what ever, I mean it doesn't hurt the bird unless you went to far then ya it will bleed and cause pain for the poor birdy. Though My friend said it like declawing a cat nail which I think it not like that because declawing a cat means removing the fully nail, and clipping the bird wings is only clipping the fly feather and it grows back which is good, I will let the bird wings grow then let it fly but after i have to clip it for it own safey. I am not againest it

I am very against clipping a birds wings in most situations. BIrds have wings for a reason and should be able to use them if they please. They should have a CHOICE to go or do whatever they want to when they want to, and not be forced to stay with us because it is 'more convenient' to us. We are much more powerful then a bird and we tend to forget that. Just because we CAN overpower them, doesn't mean we should. A healthy relationship with your parrot should be them CHOOSING to be with you, not being FORCED to because you clipped their wings to make things "easier" on yourself.

Don't you want your bird to be with you when it wants to? It show that these wild, animals of prey actually WANT to be near you or on you.

As for taming, it is much much much better that you have them not clipped, so they will be able to get out of a situation they do not like. If they were clipped them would be forced to be there, and would have a bad experience with it and in turn have a negative attitude towards you.

( That being said there are of course some situations where it is very needed for the bird to be clipped, i.e. if they are injured, born with spray legs, in a household where flying would be dangerous at all ( maybe a home where there are too many windows to be covered up ) etc. But in 99% of situations clipping is extremely unnecessary. )




It can still be with me even if I clip his wings, the only different is that he won't be able to fly for a few months or until his feather grows back, I will ask the petstore if he doesn't mind his wing being clips because I want clips the wings for personal reason, even taming them still won't stop them from being wild, My fish and tamed but they still be wild like any other wild fish, some bird will listen but some won't, My bird that I am getting soon just like me holding it and playing with it, he always climb on my hand when i try feed him cx he a silly bird. And the bird will not always be in a cage I was hoping they sell bird tanks like they are cage but the bottom is safe like a fish tank bottom if you know what I mean, I just don't want the bird to hurt himself, I will let the wings grow back so he can enjoy flying but after 7 month i will clips it wing maybe not sure, my mom doesn't want the bird flying in the house, that one reason why I have to clips it wings. Eh I have a lot of windows in my house and my house is kinda of big the roof is hight and there a space between the walls and roof and if the bird fly there I wouldn't be able to get it or see what it eating or grab since it hight,

Just asking, but what do you mean by a "bird tank". I've never heard that mentioned before and would like to hear about it.

[rockonyo]

I don't know if it a thing but It like a big big fish tank but like the top you can put a what it call.... Umm like a top of a bird cage over it and the bottom and side are safe so like when your bird fall his feet or wings wont get stuck, just like a hamster cage or fish tank, I want buy those because I am not fans of cage since I was little, I always felt sorry for them, and you can add toys and bedding to the bottom, in my petstore they dont use bird cages they use those tanks thingy or what ever they are called, it safer and you can pet them! hehe I love the petland where I live, they learn me a lot and made me love cockatiels!

[MapleNeko]

Here , i'll link you to the thread. Clipping is a very hotly debated topic for most bird owners ,personally i feel, that if the birds are happy and healthy in both situations and properly cared for, then everything is fine. My DYHA Monty makes it VERY clear when he wants to be with, and when he doesn't, and he will get his way, whether he can fly or not, he doesn't want you near him? moves away / growls. wants you to pick him up? Asks to be picked up with movement/foot held up and various other cues. We respect these cues and everyone gets along very well.

Now this greenwing WAS properly free flight trained, she used to go to airports runways to watch the airplanes, with all the sound and was fine, but the most insignificant, unordinary thing spooked her, a ladder.
here's the thread- http://www.parrotforums.com/lost-found/ ... ght-3.html
this man has been free flying his birds for YEARS, quote from her owner

"What basically happened was I was out freeflying Maggie and Sally.

A nearby ladder fell over, and startled Maggie, and she flew off in a panic, doing what she was trained to do, fly in a circle and come back. As she was coming in for a landing, the ladder was lifted up right in front of her... instead of coming in for a landing she went up, up, and away...

SHE HAS NEVER FLOWN OFF ON ME BEFORE, AND THIS BIRD GOES OUT EVERY DAY.

Now, I can't stop crying..." Page with post

He has owned this bird for 18 years, free flew her everyday he had her, so no, it wasn't his fault, it was simply a bird being a bird. He had 100% trust in her, and I would too after 18 years of perfect free flight without a single loss of the bird.

I am completely fine with people who don't clip! That is how they feel and i'm happy for them but I know that I dont want to take the chance that our bird would land on the hot wood stove at the cottage, or accidentally get out the door during the middle of a canadian winter where he would undoubtedly die from the cold in -30 celsius. These are risks i'm personally not willing to take.

I know this can be a very hotly debated topic among bird owners, I will provide a link to a site that has tons of discussions from actual parrot owners on the topic! This forum is amazing for most questions you have about birds It's like a little family. http://www.parrotforums.com/

(please no backlash, i am firm on my feeling on this topic, as you are in yours, I love that you have your birds flighted and you are comfortable with it, and i am more comfortable with my boy and his medium clip. ie. can still glide slightly, but gets no lift.)

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@rockonyo

But are the walls made of glass? Because, if so, you're bird could get spooked and injure himself flying into one. Also, where would you attach perches and toys? Thanks for answering! c:

@Maple

Then maybe if you're concerned about that, you shouldn't take your bird outside without a harness or anything. I don't really know if that makes a strong case for clipping. I do understand that you would have concerns though.

[MapleNeko]

@huuuuuuuuh
No no, if we take him out he will always have a harness, even if he is clipped, still a chance he could get air and sail away, haha what i'm more worried about is him escaping out a door that was left open on accident, it scares me, honestly, the winters here are so harsh a tropical bird wouldn't stand a chance if it got out, knowing that he can't purposely fly out a door that was left open while say someone was carrying groceries in, eases my mind.

[rockonyo]

We haven't got the bird yet but no the walls aren't made of glass but if the bird fly he might fight in the place I can't get him down or go to my fish tank and attack or drink the water I can't really put a lid on my beta fish, 2 of my beta fish hate it and I don't want them to be stress I seen it before king almost kill himself because I put a lid on he hate so much he want me to put my finger in the water as I feed him, I train him to, I would love to get a harness so like if I was talking the bird for a walk and i didn't clips his wings he wouldn't be able to fly somewhere, I live in canada so it a bit hard for the bird to get outside if it cold because it get very cold and when it summer it can be very hot, I am not 100% on not clipping it wing though, and If My bird doesn't like when I clip his wings or the vet then I won't clip it unless something happen like he flew, but even taming them won't stop them from flying into stuff, Once a wild bird flew to our window and fell but he was alright, he got up and flew like it was nothing cx. I am fine with people who clips there bird wings or not. I jsut fine it less injuring. Now I need to get 2 birds but I don't know if I want another boy or a girl?