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Re: wolves - your opinon?

Postby PeachFuzz » Thu Mar 24, 2016 1:29 pm

Orque wrote:
mr.robot wrote:
ok so without jumping into the current debate bc i cba

wolves are ok
all animals are ok
overpopulation of animals is not ok
hunting wolves to control the population is ok, and id love to hunt one myself
i also want a wolf pelt + skull but will probably never own one

also i dont appreciate wolves walking into neighbours n killing dogs (of which there are videos)
and i dont appreciate them slaughtering livestock (doesnt happen often but when it does, hot damn)

im so lucky theyre extinct in my country


    Not saying your opinion is wrong, as you are entitled to it, but I am wondering: if you are concerned about overpopulation, why are you not also concerned about regional extinction? Both scenarios can throw an ecosystem into turmoil. For instance, if there are too many wolves, there won't be enough prey animals, but if wolves are gone altogether, the prey animals themselves will overpopulate.


just out of curiosity, what gave you the idea that mr.robot isn't concerned about extinction?
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Re: wolves - your opinon?

Postby PeachFuzz » Fri Mar 25, 2016 12:30 am

Ah, I understand now. Here in Massachusetts wolves have been extinct since about 1840 (other than the couple of mysterious loners that have showed up) and over time the ecosystem has adjusted. Now the reintroduction of any wolves would be devastating to the current native animal populations.
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Re: wolves - your opinon?

Postby heterochromia » Sat Mar 26, 2016 6:36 pm

mr.robot wrote:
ok so without jumping into the current debate bc i cba

wolves are ok
all animals are ok
overpopulation of animals is not ok
hunting wolves to control the population is ok, and id love to hunt one myself
i also want a wolf pelt + skull but will probably never own one

also i dont appreciate wolves walking into neighbours n killing dogs (of which there are videos)
and i dont appreciate them slaughtering livestock (doesnt happen often but when it does, hot damn)

im so lucky theyre extinct in my country

Wolves need to hunt in order to survive. Every species on this Earth wants to survive and reproduce to flourish. As humans, we are arguably the most intelligent species on Earth, and since we are, it is our responsibility to maintain the Earth and the creatures that share it with us. Wolves that slaughter livestock are probably desperate for food if they're willing to go into man-made areas for a meal. Wolves are not capable of going to a grocery store to pick up frozen meat, they must hunt every single meal they ever eat. Unlike wolves, humans in first world countries (wolves mainly live in first world countries) never (or extremely rarely) are forced into a situation where they must hunt to continue to survive, or they will starve. We have the privilege to be able to acquire a diverse supply of foods, and have preferences and choices of what we eat. This is a privilege that can easily be taken for granted. Since we have this choice, people are able to choose between slaughtering animals for meat, or consuming a diet avoiding harming animals by eating plant-based foods. Humans that do choose to consume meat have to get that meat from somewhere, which is normally from large meat industries. In smaller farms, where livestock roam and are able to be targeted by wolves, the livestock will be slaughtered no matter by man or wolf. The difference is that man has a choice, while wolf is simply trying to survive. Humans shouldn't be victimized if a wolf gets to their livestock because they are much more of a predator to the livestock than the wolves ever were.
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Re: wolves - your opinon?

Postby Nyxeva » Sun Mar 27, 2016 12:25 pm

heterochromia wrote:
mr.robot wrote:
ok so without jumping into the current debate bc i cba

wolves are ok
all animals are ok
overpopulation of animals is not ok
hunting wolves to control the population is ok, and id love to hunt one myself
i also want a wolf pelt + skull but will probably never own one

also i dont appreciate wolves walking into neighbours n killing dogs (of which there are videos)
and i dont appreciate them slaughtering livestock (doesnt happen often but when it does, hot damn)

im so lucky theyre extinct in my country

Wolves need to hunt in order to survive. Every species on this Earth wants to survive and reproduce to flourish. As humans, we are arguably the most intelligent species on Earth, and since we are, it is our responsibility to maintain the Earth and the creatures that share it with us. Wolves that slaughter livestock are probably desperate for food if they're willing to go into man-made areas for a meal. Wolves are not capable of going to a grocery store to pick up frozen meat, they must hunt every single meal they ever eat. Unlike wolves, humans in first world countries (wolves mainly live in first world countries) never (or extremely rarely) are forced into a situation where they must hunt to continue to survive, or they will starve. We have the privilege to be able to acquire a diverse supply of foods, and have preferences and choices of what we eat. This is a privilege that can easily be taken for granted. Since we have this choice, people are able to choose between slaughtering animals for meat, or consuming a diet avoiding harming animals by eating plant-based foods. Humans that do choose to consume meat have to get that meat from somewhere, which is normally from large meat industries. In smaller farms, where livestock roam and are able to be targeted by wolves, the livestock will be slaughtered no matter by man or wolf. The difference is that man has a choice, while wolf is simply trying to survive. Humans shouldn't be victimized if a wolf gets to their livestock because they are much more of a predator to the livestock than the wolves ever were.


Except wolves have been known to slaughter entire herds of livestock for no reason. Seriously, google surplus killing in wolves.

Livestock are often the livelihood of these smaller farms. It's their main source of income, and is how those people feed their family. Of course they're going to suffer if wolves take that cattle, since it's not even remotely the same as the farmer selling that animal to a slaughterhouse. The farmers that raise these animals are also only trying to survive.

One cow is worth thousands of dollars between her offspring, milk and meat. I don't think farmers should have to just suck it up when a predator comes in and kills them.
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Re: wolves - your opinon?

Postby heterochromia » Tue Mar 29, 2016 7:49 am

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heterochromia wrote:
mr.robot wrote:
ok so without jumping into the current debate bc i cba

wolves are ok
all animals are ok
overpopulation of animals is not ok
hunting wolves to control the population is ok, and id love to hunt one myself
i also want a wolf pelt + skull but will probably never own one

also i dont appreciate wolves walking into neighbours n killing dogs (of which there are videos)
and i dont appreciate them slaughtering livestock (doesnt happen often but when it does, hot damn)

im so lucky theyre extinct in my country

Wolves need to hunt in order to survive. Every species on this Earth wants to survive and reproduce to flourish. As humans, we are arguably the most intelligent species on Earth, and since we are, it is our responsibility to maintain the Earth and the creatures that share it with us. Wolves that slaughter livestock are probably desperate for food if they're willing to go into man-made areas for a meal. Wolves are not capable of going to a grocery store to pick up frozen meat, they must hunt every single meal they ever eat. Unlike wolves, humans in first world countries (wolves mainly live in first world countries) never (or extremely rarely) are forced into a situation where they must hunt to continue to survive, or they will starve. We have the privilege to be able to acquire a diverse supply of foods, and have preferences and choices of what we eat. This is a privilege that can easily be taken for granted. Since we have this choice, people are able to choose between slaughtering animals for meat, or consuming a diet avoiding harming animals by eating plant-based foods. Humans that do choose to consume meat have to get that meat from somewhere, which is normally from large meat industries. In smaller farms, where livestock roam and are able to be targeted by wolves, the livestock will be slaughtered no matter by man or wolf. The difference is that man has a choice, while wolf is simply trying to survive. Humans shouldn't be victimized if a wolf gets to their livestock because they are much more of a predator to the livestock than the wolves ever were.


Except wolves have been known to slaughter entire herds of livestock for no reason. Seriously, google surplus killing in wolves.

Livestock are often the livelihood of these smaller farms. It's their main source of income, and is how those people feed their family. Of course they're going to suffer if wolves take that cattle, since it's not even remotely the same as the farmer selling that animal to a slaughterhouse. The farmers that raise these animals are also only trying to survive.

One cow is worth thousands of dollars between her offspring, milk and meat. I don't think farmers should have to just suck it up when a predator comes in and kills them.


I did go ahead and google surplus killing because I have never heard of it, and most of the pages say it is extremely rare, and I only found one account of wolves surplus killing. Some people think that it is a natural instinct sort of to balance out the ecosystem, some think that they just kill and go back for it late, but there isn't really a definite explanation. It still doesn't validate what humans do nonetheless, these are wolves, and in the one case accounted, the carcasses were eventually consumed.
I can't control what jobs people choose, and by becoming a farmer, they must understand that risk. I don't see humans as the superior species, I believe we are all equal. Viewing livestock as nothing more than profitable items isn't fair to the cattle, but that is just my opinion. They didn't choose to be born into slavery and killed young, but the owner of the farm chose to become a farmer. Farmers are adherent to the belief animals are property and humans are superior, and by being a farmer, their job is to raise livestock for profit. If they fail to protect their livestock, then they are failing their job, that they chose. If they wanted, they could've chose a different job that didn't require the killing of sentient beings and the risk of that being stolen.
Most slaughterhouses breed their livestock anyhow, I don't know any that buy from farmers.
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Re: wolves - your opinon?

Postby Wolf of Nightmares » Tue Mar 29, 2016 2:48 pm

I've always loved wolves. They are beautiful and amazing creatures :thumbup: Just like any animal hunting to keep population down is necessary but there have been times when they were overhunted (America especially) because of a price on their head. Anyhow spectacular animals! Love them (:
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Re: wolves - your opinon?

Postby Middle-Earth » Tue Mar 29, 2016 10:59 pm

I <3 Wolves! :D
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Re: wolves - your opinon?

Postby Naevia » Thu Mar 31, 2016 7:47 am

Just like everyone else has said here; I love wolves, and the hunting of them is necessary to keep the population "decent".

Too bad there is nothing to keep the human population from growing. It's just ridiculous.
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Re: wolves - your opinon?

Postby kishinuma » Thu Mar 31, 2016 8:06 am

GhiraWar wrote:
kishinuma wrote:
    I've been against hunting since I was probably in preschool. I don't hate people who hunt, I just personally could never ever shoot an animal. Growing up with my moms side, they're all hunters and huge meat eaters so I've been able to see all this stuff up close. So as for hunting of wolves ( any animal), I will just always feel terrible when I hear of it and that's just me.

    As for wolves, it wasn't until grade 2 that I read a book called Julie's Wolf Pack and I realized wolves aren't just mythical creatures made up to scare children. I look back on that now and it's just extremely grim. Since that, I fell in love with wolves among all other animals. In grade 3, I decided my dream job was to be a Biologist. I knew it was very unlikely I'd get a job I want, but it's still something I'm working towards today. I believe wolves are equal to every other animal and humans are equal to all of them.

    Now sorry for that lil life story, I just felt like putting it out there and you don't have to read it.

    Also, I'm going to leave this link here. It's happening in Canada in the province I live in, and I pray none of you are in the dark enough that you find this is okay.
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what..what the absolute hell? That is not okay..at all.. what..

Edit: At the article, not at you you. cx

    haha, I think I realized that (: but yeah, it's terrible.
    Now on hunting again, hunting for sport is not okay. As long as you use all parts of the animal properly, I think it's okay in moderation.
    We will kill an animal for over killing another animal, and we are just doing the same thing they did.
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Re: wolves - your opinon?

Postby LOCW_Bluestarwarrior » Fri Apr 01, 2016 1:23 pm

Where I live, wolves are struggling, so hunting of them is not okay. I really am not a fan of sport hunting at all, unless it's a byproduct of meat hunting, which is much more acceptable. (And if you're humane about the hunting method then that's even better. Please just be respectful of the lives you take.) But I don't support hunting of animals that aren't overpopulated. I do love wolves. :)

EDIT: That article is awful, one of the sickest things I've ever heard. That sounds more like the plot of an animal dystopia than real life... In school I've learned about all sorts of human genocides.., maybe it's time we start learning of the animal genocides too.
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