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[KathrynKat]

We were phoned, and asked to take a neravontii, with the registered name "Big Bad #1." It appears he had no real name when he was being transferred to the Agency. We scheduled a date for him to come in and set up a paddock for him that wasn't around to many neravontiis. If you were to try and approach this stallion without gaining his respect and showing he can trust you, he will pound you to the ground.

It had taken us about a month to gain a little bit of his trust. While we waited for custom made tack for him, due to his hair, we just continued to train him and gain more of his respect, and to be his leader. We have decided that we keep him as an Agency Stallion. We will be studding him, for the price of someone gaining his respect and trust first. Then they may pair their mare with him.

Finally the custom made tack had arrived, and we checked to see if it fits, which took us quite some time to get him used to and to allow us to fully tack him. We had the Agency's best rider mount him after we had done tons of special training. It took about 10 tries before he had finally stopped bucking and kicking just that one rider off. As we worked on him with different riders, it slowly went down to 6, 4, 2, then he finally has given up, and will allow any trusted rider.

First I must get the permission from MustangKnight, if Mustang does not approve of this, I'll do something else with this Stallion!

[PuddlebyOnTheMarsh]

Shaft to(ugg, autocorrect on phones) ShadyBro, the boys are awesome! Thank you so much. (on phone so not much) Great blend of the parents. I need to get to training asap!


Big bad is impressive too. (though he looks familiar for some reason)

[Rondell]

Big bad is a very handsome boy, don't get me wrong... I just... can't help but feel put upon? And it's been building for a while. Keep in mind that I'm not trying to to sound snarky, mean, or what have-you. I'm just frustrated and trying to explain how I feel. It's hard to do that properly in text because it's impossible to put a definate inflection on the written word - if I were speaking it would be easier to do because you all could just listen to my voice and not get the wrong idea. As such, I've edited this ten million times with that in mind! XD The very last thing I want to do is alienate anyone in this community... </3

Back to Big Bad: I mean, he's a virtual clone of Efialtes. Either that or a long-lost brother! Compare them side-by-side.



They have the same red, black and white streaks in their manes - although Big Bad wears it in a different style and also incorperates the little fuzzy patch near the base of his tail that Ikelos has - and they even have the same style of body markings! I mean... I just... >.<

I'd feel much better about him if he simply used a different color scheme!

To put it bluntly, It makes me feel as if Eff's design is being ripped off. It makes me feel as if you all, not happy that I've taken him down from the stud market, have decided to veto my decision by making Big Bad and putting him up for public stud.

Which brings me to the subject of stud fees. When I was breeding Efialtes, I let other people pick the fee. Which means that I often got a couple of uncommons and WL items. Nothing special. Nothing really difficult to get a hold of. I was, after all, more interested in spreading the love than making a profit. So I was fine with it. But the second a maned baby popped up, several people just took it and ran, slapping an exorbitant stud fee on it. It just made me feel like I was being taken advantage of. Which is why, among other reasons, that I took Eff out of the studding game in the first place!

I mean, what other major mutations have been duplicated on 1st gen nera? Ferris is the only one with plates, discounting his children. Roshan is the only one with small ridges, discounting his children. Kaiju is the only beta nera, discounting his kids, Monk is the only one with an antenna, and Cobweb - who is owned by an iactive user - is the only one with large ridges. Yet in addition to Efialtes, this guy, this guy, and now Big bad have manes. Efialtes isn't special anymore. It's not a trait limited to his family. I mean, one or two variations of the gene is absolutely fine. Just look at Roshan and Cobweb. But I'm having trouble rationalizing Big Bad.

Furthermore, the way breeding works right now seems to be - mutations don't pass down! Unless, of course, you breed with the mutated nera of a staff member! Than you have a tiny chance! Which, while something is certainly better than nothing and I do appreciate the granting of that tiny chance, doesn't really seem fair to everyone else who owns a mutant. If you don't mind me saying. Is there a particular reason as to why things are being limited like this?

I know it's just a mane, and that I'm most likely over reacting, but... I don't know. I've just been feeling like this for a while, and figured that it was time to air my grievances, especially with the creation of Big Bad sending me over the edge.

Thank you for your time...

[ShadyBro]

I know Im not a very high standing staff member, and that perhaps I dont have the authority to reply to this, but I feel like I need to voice my opinion on the matter.

To put it simply, I almost agree with you. Almost.

Yes, they look quite similar. Im a little concerned about that to be honest. But at the same time there are more than enough differences to say that they are two different neras.

As far as the mane mutation being considered special, its not. Its a common mutation. Unlike antennas or plates, manes just pass easier in my experiences with breeding neras. Its meant to pass more often than not. There are a bunch of different styles, but no matter what its just plain and simple - common.

Also, mutations are not being passed because Mustang is concerned about the number of mutated neras. They are meant to be rare and idolized individuals, but because of over breeding mutated neras (Im guilty of this as well, dont get me wrong), there was a huge influx in the number of mutants compared to normals. So in general mutations are not allowed unless for a special event (such as Rinn and Big Bad being Halloween releases).

Either way I understand your concerns, but you need to understand that there are over 300 neras and counting. They cant all be perfect individuals.

[Rondell]

Thank you for your input, Shady ^.^

I do understand that with 300+ plus Nera there's going to be some repetition. Of coat design in particular. There are only so many things that can be done, after all! The fact that manes are a 'common' mutation is news to me though - I got the impression that the only reason they were common was due to the fact that people really liked them, thus causing them to fall pray to the over-breeding fad even more so than the other mutations? That is to say, Ferris' plates would be 'common' too if he had been bred more. Thus by calling manes common - thanks to over breeding - then allowing them to pass more because of that, they get even more common and we end up with a self-fulfilling prophecy. If we're going by the pure number of Nera who have a certain mutation though, than wouldn't Roshan's ridges be considered a common mutation too? If so, can we expect to see another first gen popping up with them?

For future reference, it would be nice if we could consult Mustang - the definitive source of all Nera info - and get some sort of chart/scale that would put the question of rarity to rest. I don't think there's anything like that currently in existence? <3

Big Bad and Efialtes are definitely two different Neras. Maybe the term 'clone' was a bit much. XD
After all, Eff doesn't have an extra finger on his tail hand, and he's more minimally marked than Big Bad. The stripes on Eff's neck are on the top, while the stripes on BB's neck are on the bottom. Eff doesn't have a beard. But the color palate is exactly the same, and they certainly look to be closely related - either as father and son or as brothers. Actually, when I first saw Big bad I was confused because I thought that Eff had randomly spawned another foal, or that I had agreed to do a breeding that I had since forgotten about! Which... is more my issue than the mane thing, really. Like I said before, if he used a different palate, if he were pink and blue and gray and orange or anything but red, black and white, I wouldn't mind nearly as much. BB wouldn't look so much like a spiffed-up, idealized version of Eff. Which is what I currently see him as.

Thank you for explaining the breeding situation, too - the way the wording is on the page it seems as if the breeding of mutations had been cut off cold-turkey. Maybe something to the effect of what you just said could be added to the breeding page instead of the present, boldly stated 'NO MUTATIONS FOR NOW ON and till further notice. You may pair your mutant but understand it will NOT pass any mutations' notification? It's a bit confusing, and without knowing about the special holiday circumstances, one looks at a staff member raffling off slots with their mutant nera and... well, it it looks a bit strange. ^.^;

Any idea how long the general ban will be in effect?

[ShadyBro]

Yeah I understand, the pallets are oddly similar. Then again there are quite a few with such colors, they just look good on these lines.

There isnt really a chart per say, but rather what just looks right and could be considered more of a minimal mutation. I believe its easier for a nera to gain longer hair along the ridge of their back than it is to grow a different skull shape or extra appendages, if that makes sense?

It would definitely be wise to contact Mustang, yet its also harder to get a hold of them as due to real life issues they have been unable to be very active, putting WildHorse up as the head of staff.

Sorry if the ban didnt make sense, perhaps I can ask WildHorse to edit it and or add some more information for other users.

It is my understanding that the ban will be in affect until neras move to DA, but I could most definitely be wrong.

[Rondell]

They are popular colors, aren't they? XD
Yet even nera like these guys right here use the three colors in very different ways, with different very proportions and markings. There's no way I'd think any of them were related in any way to Eff. And there are other examples That's because, even keeping to the same palate, there are tons of different things that can be done! Which was the purpose of the staff litter, right? Which is one reason I love that concept so much. <3

Your explanation on the commonness of mutations also makes more sense now. I was thinking you were referring to a rarity scale like the one used to rate CS pets rather than an actual psudo-biological one... XD

I guess in the long run, though, it's just me being overly sensitive or something?
So I'll just let it lie, even though it still bothers me...
There's nothing I can do about it anyway.

I also really hope the ban doesn't last that long, because I will not be transitioning to DA and I kinda had a few breedings I wanted to do before Nera vanished from CS that involved mutations. Oh well. We'll just have to wait and see! ^.^ If it does prove to be the case, maybe right before the switch over there could be a limited raffle for slots which will pass mutations? Or, at least, the possibility of mutations. That way those of us who aren't transitioning - I know there area a few - can go out with a bang?

Thank you very much for this Shady, it has made me feel slightly better, and has cleared a few things up!
It would be lovely to have the text on the breeding page clarified ^.^

[KathrynKat]

I am so so so so sorry I didn't mean to upset you.
I was mostly struggling on trying to relate enough to Halloween.
Also, the nera with the Antenna, has ridges, just like Roshan does, and has a condition because of it. If you think of it, it be bad for there to be to many with the ridges, as for it's skin. Ridges, and Hair are also the easiest to do, for most of the artists.

I didn't mean for to try and steal the color, as I said I was trying to stick to Halloween Theme... Although I did fear you might say something due to the colors, as for I did think afterwards after trying to change him so much and give him different kind of hair style. His hair is not he same, color wise and shape wise.
I'll shut him down though either permanent or think of change. Until then I am blacking out his page.
I meant for him mostly to look Halloween style, but not over exaggerating it as well.

Though I do prefer an argument had been kept by PMs, not the fanclub. If others had the same problem they should also consult an artist. It just creates a bit of drama, and just not a suit place for the Fanclub especially.

I need to also add. ZeKorra is also one of the few very loved here, and yet my signature. I know I hadn't done so much public breeding, but have let people have foals, along to, actually putting some out there that could related to her. I just released one for this event, and yet a stallion that just can related to her and look related. And ZeKorra is something special, though everytime I make one I think about how it may bring down her popularity, but at the same time maybe not at all, and only making people happy to own something that looks alike to ZeKorra, my signature and first neravontii.

I myself, wouldn't feel to effected of Roshan's being passed down as for I understand it's one of the easiest to create. Then for the hair thing, think of how other species have mohawks, and hair like what I just did?
I will do a little change... but the black and white will not change I am sorry.

Also the reason I had made him public as for I think Roshan used to be, then there is none now, and I figured art for a bit of mutation get spirit on, as well as NOBODY, is getting a profit, only gaining fan art. I also feel like mostly artist have been keeping neravontiis or at least part of the time, and this gives a better chance and fair chance others get something...
Again I did not mean to copy, it's just the type of design, and not to mention I love doing stripes more than anything if you couldn't tell. It is a common design I do

As I created him, I hadn't looked at any neravontii to be sure I am avoiding copy of relatives of your guy
I was just trying to stick to close enough Halloween Themed, but not over do it.

[Expresso.]

I did think it was Eff's foal. I was excited because I thought Colton had another sibling haha xD

Anyways, I received a breeding from between Rinn and my own Cybella, Willow

However, I think she will struggle fit in with such a defined personality, especially with Colton being there, so I've decided to put her up for adoption.
She is free to adopt, but you must train her within a month. I will be her owner until she has been fully trained, so if her training is not done within a month, I will search for another owner. She is infertile so she cannot breed.
Her training, if done with writing, must be longer than 200 words each.
If done with art, art must show your effort!
Her name will stay Willow
Please note: only owners who don't have a mutated Neravontii may apply.

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[KathrynKat]

All have finally been unwrapped, just simply click the image to see who have been hiding behind those costumes all this time!