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My gallery · by **F0XFANG** » Thu Jul 23, 2015 3:23 pm

So, all of this discussion about making pups on the main lines is making me feel extremely targeted. Yes, I created a pup on the main lines using a custom token, but this was not to 'cheat the system' as everyone is saying. That was never my intention. The Ricael ship has a lot of headcanons and such, and little Peanut was only part of that. We came up with the idea that Ri and Michael had another child after Red and before Pepper/Sophie. This little lady was...'attacked' by a bear because we like making sad headcanons. This idea was created in December 2014. A long, long time before any of this was brought up. When I bought my custom tokens not long ago, I didn't have a 100% clear idea in mind to what I wanted to make. In the end, I went with creating Peanut. I thought it'd be nice to finally have the last Ricael child made. In saying that, I do not know if I was the only user who created a pup on the main lines, but will there be a punishment? Will we have our pup RPW deleted like they never existed? I ask this because Ricael does not have the breeding slot to give in exchange for keeping Peanut as a fully canon RPW, and as the rule breaker I am now, I feel like a punishment should be given. And not just to myself, but to anyone else who has done this to keep it fair.

Why am I saying this publicly instead of just sending a PM? Because I believe the RPW community is a nice enough place so that I won't get 32489723847 hate messages for voicing how uncomfortable this situation is making me feel. I do not want to start any arguments, and if anyone has anything that isn't very hateful to say and directed to me and not the situation, please send it to me via PM. Not here. As I said, I do not want to start any arguments.

My gallery · by **Zeneka** » Thu Jul 23, 2015 3:43 pm

I'm sorry you feel targeted rockpelt because Raven and I honestly weren't thinking of anyone in particular when we discussed this. You, or anyone else who has made a parent-child relationship with customs or mainline RPWs previously are not going to be punished and your relationships are not going to be undone. Everything that's happened will remain as it was.

This is a FROM NOW ON rule. Meaning FROM NOW ON, it won't be allowed anymore. I repeat, anything that has happened in the past will stay as it is. It is my personal, very strong opinion that you cannot punish someone for breaking a rule before the rule was written. That is a ridiculous concept, and one Raven seems to agree with me on.

If you have any more questions or concerns about this matter, please direct them at me.

EDIT:
By the way, I'm glad you feel comfortable voicing your concerns in the community, and if you get anyone sending you hate messages because of this, I would like to know immediately because that's ridiculous and unacceptable. (Not that hate messages aren't always ridiculous and unacceptable but you know xD)

furvilla account · by **wolf ;;** » Thu Jul 23, 2015 9:54 pm

.The Bootless Box. - congrats on your new rpws, and thats some awesome art cx and good luck on getting roleplays!
*Starshimmer* - good luck on finding your rpws mates!

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Ok, since we're talking about the new rule and stuff, I have to say that this isn't the only incident where people felt completely comfortable with something. I know there has been more then one time where people have been targeted when something has been said that they strongly believe, and I don't think its right. The species is starting to have limitations now, and while I understand the whole 'don't make pups of a pair unless you have a breeding slot to trade' thing, some other things really don't make sense in some ways.

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My gallery · by **supernovacity** » Thu Jul 23, 2015 10:22 pm

i'm afraid i'm really going to have to agree with bal here
the pup rule makes absolute sense, i agree entirely
but there are some that have absolutely no ground to remain in place
personally, i feel this way about the rule against polyamory
don't get on my case about this please, i had to sit for a long time to work up the guts to post this at all
sorry if this gets long
i'm polyamorous myself, or, i believe so, considering i'd be entirely fine with being in a polyamorus relationship.(i'm still trying to figure this out myself, though a lot of people have said feeling that way means i am poly)
i'm going to be
rather frank

ever since that rule was put into place, i have no longer felt entirely welcomed, and i have felt much more excluded and isolated in terms of the community.
i was one of the people who brought my concerns to raven, and after the post on the fanclub, i felt extremely anxious, and felt the need to make an excuse for myself to take a break from the community until i felt okay enough to return.

i'm gonna get longer here, because my concerns don't entirely lie in the polyamory rule either
the community has gotten progressively less and less involved, people are coming and going about as quickly as you can say hi, that and nobody particularly talks to one another anymore regardless.
we honestly went from family to a group of strangers sitting around a table and it really breaks my heart.

not to mention, the staff has started being a lot less open, and more authoritative, which is good to a sense, because it brings structure, but with it we lost one of the things i enjoyed so heavily about rpws, that the staff was open to criticism and suggestions, to the point where me just posting this scares me beyond belief, and i'm a staff member myself.

i have a couple suggestions that might help us start to fix a couple of the issues, they're actually..really easy to do

an ask.fm, which staff has access to
community members could submit their concerns, and could even submit them anonymously if they wanted to, to remove the threat of being punished, if someone felt the need.
you can even do this on tumblr, if you'd like, though it could be a bit of a pain to manage.

and just keeping the staff more open, active and friendly
i'm guilty here, i don't come off as the friendliest person on the block, especially not in this post
but we all need to work to be just a little more approachable, and a lot more positive and open to suggestion i think
(it might just be me whose afraid to approach staff, but i dunno)

sorry for how curt and direct this post is, but i've been here since rpw #325, and i've seen a lot of these issues develop firsthand

My gallery · by **Wulfjaw** » Thu Jul 23, 2015 10:37 pm

I feel I completely agree with bal and cy. That new pup rule makes sense, I guess, and there are other issues we need to focus on much more.

I felt like absolute crap when I saw that polyamory was against the rules. I already had a lot of mine down as poly, and I had known I was poly for a while. I was a little scared to come out, because violence against queer people is common. So I didn't. I was already having nightmares about being attacked at school.
I literally had a panic attack after I messaged Ravendarus and saw that anyone who spoke about it any further would get striked and possibly banned. I was really shocked, because I thought this place was inclusive, accepting, and open to hear what people had to say.
There are other things I don't agree with, but this is the most glaring problem right now.

An ask.fm would definitely be beneficial. People could voice their opinions anonymously to reduce anxiety and fear, which I know is something a lot of people feel. It's really hard to approach anyone in this community, and I feel ostracized and ignored.

My gallery · by **Pokechu12** » Thu Jul 23, 2015 11:48 pm

I wasn't going to join in at first, but now I'd like to state my opinions.I'm not exactly picking a side or anything, but I'd just like to examine all the issues spoken about a give my views. c:
First of all, the pup rule does make sense to me. I personally don't have an issue about this. And rockpelt I apologise if it does make you feel targeted, I myself have often done something in a community, and when a rule does go against it soon after, I do get a little suspicious.
But the whole polyamory rule. To be honest, I had no idea that this was even a sexual identity before this, so forgive me if my information is off. >v>' Anyway, I'd like to say that from the start, RPWs have only been able to mate with one wolf, and for life. I think that there were no divorces in the beginning either, even if a RPW was readopted off. And to be quite frank, some other adopts are worse, only allowing same sex breedings. Raven and the admins already give us loads of freedom, with the abilities to get new customs, edit wolves, and have 20+ slots. I find it unfair that the topic wasn't open to discussion when the rule was put down and confirmed, but at the same time, the rule has solemnly been there from the beginning. I apologise to anyone who is polyamory and feels left out, and anyone that I may have offended as well. uvu
I think that bringing the RPW ask is a great idea, so ideas can be discussed there, and I would be available to start it up again if no other mod can, as I personally agree that this community has become less close as time went on. I don't feel included in much on CS, including RPWs anymore. Or maybe it's just me. Who knows.
But yeah! I thinks that's all I had to say. /long post is long

My gallery · by **hypnowave** » Fri Jul 24, 2015 1:05 am

My gallery · by **Ravendarus** » Fri Jul 24, 2015 1:46 am

-long post warning-

I'm sorry guys, that I've put in rules that made you feel unwelcome or even limited. The pup rule is because if everyone could do it what would be the point in even having a nursery anymore? It doesn't make sense to me even I have head cannons about wanting to make pups related to some of my other wolves, but I feel the nursery would lose it's usefulness otherwise. If it makes anyone feel better artists can breed their own wolves again, that's always been an iffy rule but really. I usually consult Wolphee before making a rule because truth is a lot of my older rules and everything got stepped on or my arm got twisted until I was -forced- to accept out of guilt.

I found this unfair to myself as a lot of the time I either got guilted into things or pushed over. This was back when RPW's first opened up and we had some um… *coughs* Shady members. A few people inspired me to stand up and get RPW's organized a bit, it's taken me a very long to time actually get stuff down, when i started RPW's I was very inexperienced in running a species so a lot of the rules were new and were going to be modified as we went down the road, but after having Violet a lot of the rules never got changed or fixed like they should have been.

When we first started divorces were not even allowed nor was breeding with another wolf outside of your mate. Eventually it got to the point where my arm was twisted into accepting that there would be divorces. And then guilted further into allowing them to breed at least once. That was a rule, but as we went on instead of breeding one time we allowed them to have 'their' full breedings. And definitely one if they were over the limit.

I'm sorry that I have had to throw out limitations on some things, like the polyamory rule. I'm sorry that has limited a few people and even made the community less welcoming but that one has always been a rule since the beginning of RPW's and again it's not one I am willing to change. The truth is I didn't know it existed till someone mentioned it to me, and also I don't understand a lot of genders and sexualities. I don't get them half the time and I'm always having to look up when a new one pops up. Though I don't understand them I allow you guys to do as you want with most of them. I myself don't do that kind of thing mostly because I don't understand them and don't want to offend anyone myself. It's not that I don't like them nor am I biased towards them either. I never meant to harm or offend anyone with this polyamory rule but it's always been a rule to have one mate and mate for life.

As for an ask, if someone wants to do it they are ultimately welcome too… sadly I have quit Ask.fm since I got a ton of hate over it and just don't want to listen to that kind of crap, if anyone has questions they would rather ask anonymously they can if someone wants to make and run the old RPW ask or even make a new one.

It's becoming hard to run RPW's as a whole lately, I felt like some rules were needed to keep us from sinking and me from panicking about certain things; I don't mean to offend anyone by adding in new rules but the truth is a lot of others are concerned about the freedom and I do get messages asking if I can add in a rule about it because others are uncomfortable. So either way I'm pleasing only one side of the spectrum so I've come to accept I cannot please anyone or everyone and I apologize completely for that like I said some rules are changing and some aren't. I've even come to the point where I have allowed semi-unlimited slots, I know a lot of species have been doing this recently but they allow unlimited and get as many as you want. You've seen how that works out? A lot of people ended up hoarding to the point where it was very hard for others to get at least one. So this way everyone has a chance to get one and if you don't want to use the system you don't have to…

I found that pretty fair myself. As for the whole species doing only allowing same sex breedings; yes there are species that do that, but you know why? Because that's how their species work, nothing wrong with that. In the end you have remember that species work in the same way. They have certain sizes, certain things they like to eat, certain places they want to live. Even how they reproduce and court in mateship. RPW's are no exception; they have an info page as well. Edits were very hard to come by at the beginning but now they are quite common; and many feel like 'special' doesn't really feel the same anymore either. I don't limit creativity though and I try to let people have as much artistic freedom as they can when it comes to making wolves. So again it's a two sided coin and I can't please everyone…

Honestly I do try very hard to keep RPW's organized but as free as I can without pulling on the chain. I'm sorry if people have been distant and even feeling unwelcome or targeted or anything. It wasn't my intention in the slightest; I would never mean to want to purposely hurt or exclude anyone. I'm a terrible owner and I know it, I have been since the beginning, I could never say no before, but now that I can I feel like I'm the bad guy a lot of the time.

I am happy about one thing though, you guys feel comfortable enough to voice your opinions as I have done so myself. I hope none of us get hate over this either. I deeply appreciate your points of view and though I know we probably will never agree on this one rule; I hate to think that it's the reason we are becoming less like a family.

It's my sisters birthday this weekend and I will be leaving for the trailer starting today so I will probably not answer any pm's if you send them to me; so please keep that in mind. It'll be a busy weekend you probably won't see me much till about Sunday; I'm hoping I feel better by then.

Wishing you guys well and that you also feel better - Raven of the Darus.

EDIT;;

Going back on the whole artists can do their own breedings again; you can so long as you provide proof of your rolls!

My gallery · by **Snowseph** » Fri Jul 24, 2015 3:14 am

@this whole rule convo
I'm gonna keep this short since I had no intentions of really replying to anything this morning -- I just came on to check some stuff and then get off, as I have places to go and things to do. I know most of the discussion going on is from newerish members. Okay, you're newer than me around her, at least. I personally don't agree with the polyamory rule, but I kept my opinions to myself as I probably don't know as much about as some of you do because I'm not polyamorous. I did not come here to debate, I came to inform you that RPWs HAS made a lot of good strides since I've been around. I'd rather not talk about what happened, but needless to say it was not always enjoyable. I'll start with mateship. Some species don't allow same sex couples to breed or let alone be anything other than straight. Okay, I respect their wishes, but c'mon guys. RPWs has benefits that some species don't provide. I've seen a lot of hate go around in other communities that I don't participate in, but I think most of the hate has been eliminated from here nowadays. Like Raven said, she let's us do what we want. I think we should be grateful for what we can do and can have. We now have locked slots so we can gradually add more wolves to our family over time. Other species limit that. If you really want to think about, some people don't even have enough food or water, let alone a computer and some Wifi. I honestly think you guys should think of the positives of this species. There's a lot going on here that doesn't happen with others. Sure, there's a thing we can't do. I don't feel welcomed in a lot of species for sooo many reasons, but RPWs seems a bit safer to me. As a person who has social anxiety, I do believe I feel the most comfortable with you guys. RPWs has changed my life -- positively and maybe once or twice, negatively. I don't want to think about the negatives... we've come to far to think about the negatives.

I know I'm not a mod or admin, but I do believe this is getting spammy from here on out, so if ya'll have any comments or w/e to send/talk to me about, shoot me a PM and I'll respond to 'em tonight. Please don't post your responses, whatever they may be, to me here. Just PMme, I;ll get to em

<3 your friendly neighborhood squid

My gallery · by **PeanutButterRum** » Fri Jul 24, 2015 7:06 am

Joining in on the rules hat

I agree with the main adopt thing completely. And the polyamory thing I have to say I agree too. We have freedoms beyond what we notice. From the fact we can have a 100+ genders and sexualitys to having any gender partners. I feel we should leave some rules as is dispite making a few uncomfortable, So basically in the end we should recognize our freedoms and not be discouraged by our limitations. And we should respect everyone and their points of view despite our own.

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