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Re: Non-Christians on CS: Now with over 150 people! :D

Postby Diabolic » Sat Dec 25, 2010 8:39 am

Bartimaeus wrote:
DiabolicReality wrote:
Cohlybrie wrote:Is there any chance to find out how many Christians out of how many are eating meat?
'Thou shalt not kill.'
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That phrase is about humans. You aren't supposed to kill humans.

Let's just keep the vegetarian vs. Not vegetarian out of this thread, unless it is a
conversation that comes up with someone who according to their religion can't eat meat,
mkay?

I think there may be something in the bible about God being against all animals who eat other animals. :/

~Barty



Actually, according to the Bible, god created earth for humanity to use it how
we see fit. This includes all the animals, plants and immobile scenery.

I have never heard of a Christian 'guideline' that is completely against eating meat.
And to meat I count fish, poultry and etc.
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Re: Non-Christians on CS: Now with over 150 people! :D

Postby Bartimaeus » Sat Dec 25, 2010 8:40 am

However we see fit? :/ That's a load of crap.

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Re: Non-Christians on CS: Now with over 150 people! :D

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Re: Non-Christians on CS: Now with over 150 people! :D

Postby .Arrow. » Sat Dec 25, 2010 8:46 am

Bartimaeus wrote:
However we see fit? :/ That's a load of crap.

~Barty

But it's true. I was raised Catholic and that's what we were taught. We were also taught that only humans had an afterlife, which is part of the reason that killing animals isn't really considered 'murder', I suppose.

Anyways, I don't think this thread is meant for discussing what we see wrong with Christian religions but for discussing non-Christian beliefs... At lest, that's what I think, as the way this discussion is going it could really start offending people and get this thread locked...
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Re: Non-Christians on CS: Now with over 150 people! :D

Postby Scarf » Sat Dec 25, 2010 11:58 am

Bartimaeus wrote:
DiabolicReality wrote:
Cohlybrie wrote:Is there any chance to find out how many Christians out of how many are eating meat?
'Thou shalt not kill.'
:>


That phrase is about humans. You aren't supposed to kill humans.

Let's just keep the vegetarian vs. Not vegetarian out of this thread, unless it is a
conversation that comes up with someone who according to their religion can't eat meat,
mkay?

I think there may be something in the bible about God being against all animals who eat other animals. :/

~Barty

In the Kosher rules you aren't allowed to eat animals that eat other animals. They're unclean. And by Judaism the Messianic times will bring in a time of vegetarian lions and stuff, as that's how it was in the Garden of Eden (yeaaaaah, not so sure about that, digestive system-wise...). But otherwise the Torah is quite big on animals not having souls and while you have to be nice to them they never have the same status as a human life and are essentially there to be used. I don't think that's ever changed in the Christian Bible or the Koran.
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Re: Non-Christians on CS: Now with over 150 people! :D

Postby Shinryu » Sat Dec 25, 2010 12:12 pm

And I may add Buddhism to the list; many Buddhists are vegetarians or vegans, since they are told to "refrain from taking life", and that doesn't only mean humans, but every sentient creature.
Same applies to Hinduism as well.
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Re: Non-Christians on CS: Now with over 150 people! :D

Postby Diabolic » Sat Dec 25, 2010 12:40 pm

Cohlybrie wrote:And I may add Buddhism to the list; many Buddhists are vegetarians or vegans, since they are told to "refrain from taking life", and that doesn't only mean humans, but every sentient creature.
Same applies to Hinduism as well.


Buddhism and Hinduism isn't an offshoot of Christianity though. And when I said
"You aren't supposed to kill humans" I was talking about the meaning for the "Thou shalt not kill"
in the christian bible. Since you pointed out they should all be vegetarians according to the bible,
which isn't a correct assumption seeing as the bible does not include other animals into the 'to not kill'
list.



Scarf wrote:In the Kosher rules you aren't allowed to eat animals that eat other animals. They're unclean. And by Judaism the Messianic times will bring in a time of vegetarian lions and stuff, as that's how it was in the Garden of Eden (yeaaaaah, not so sure about that, digestive system-wise...). But otherwise the Torah is quite big on animals not having souls and while you have to be nice to them they never have the same status as a human life and are essentially there to be used. I don't think that's ever changed in the Christian Bible or the Koran.



I always have such a ton of fun hearding about that Garden of Eden stuff. And the entire Ark of Noah
stuff. It brings endless amounts of lulz about illogical stuff. Predators eat prey, end of story.

And yeah that's what everyone says when I bring up the 'humans are animals too you know' point.
Bible sez that every creature other than humans themselves are here to be used by humans
as humans seem fit.

Personally I have nothing against Strong-Eat-Weak - omnivore as I am - but I think that that "Bible argument" has
to be the weakest argument ever to treat nature like crap.
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Re: Non-Christians on CS: Now with over 150 people! :D

Postby Shinryu » Sat Dec 25, 2010 12:43 pm

I never said that Buddhism and hinduism have anything to do with Christianity, but while we were at the subject of religions that don't want you to eat and/or kill non-human animals I thought that I might as well add those two.
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Re: Non-Christians on CS: Now with over 150 people! :D

Postby Scarf » Sat Dec 25, 2010 12:54 pm

DiabolicReality wrote:
Scarf wrote:In the Kosher rules you aren't allowed to eat animals that eat other animals. They're unclean. And by Judaism the Messianic times will bring in a time of vegetarian lions and stuff, as that's how it was in the Garden of Eden (yeaaaaah, not so sure about that, digestive system-wise...). But otherwise the Torah is quite big on animals not having souls and while you have to be nice to them they never have the same status as a human life and are essentially there to be used. I don't think that's ever changed in the Christian Bible or the Koran.



I always have such a ton of fun hearding about that Garden of Eden stuff. And the entire Ark of Noah
stuff. It brings endless amounts of lulz about illogical stuff. Predators eat prey, end of story.

And yeah that's what everyone says when I bring up the 'humans are animals too you know' point.
Bible sez that every creature other than humans themselves are here to be used by humans
as humans seem fit.

Personally I have nothing against Strong-Eat-Weak - omnivore as I am - but I think that that "Bible argument" has
to be the weakest argument ever to treat nature like crap.

The last time I was in a discussion on Noah's Ark it took me about 20 seconds to find a zoological scientific paper which recommends that at least 40 animals are required to make flamingos breed. All of the two-by-two stuff is a weird projection of monogamy which is why old zoos were so bad (well, there were lots of reasons why old zoos were bad...). It makes no sense on a practical level :P
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Re: Non-Christians on CS: Now with over 150 people! :D

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