wolves - your opinon?

[The Winter Soldier]

Thats what i was trying say about the civilized midnight puppy and i think you summed it up quite well.

[PeachFuzz]

the definition never said that the society had to be totally and completely humane just that we be some what humane the fact is civilized only applies to people thefae not animals sorry. on side note we;re advanced animals because we fit the definition of civilized.


Civilized means having an advanced or humane culture and society none of this applies to wolves in any way shape or form they aren't advanced nor are they humane they let deformed pups die and abandon them thats not advanced or humane they hunt for their food to and we buy ours at grocery store yeah they are totally civilized.

We take care of dogs with missing limbs we give animals such as thoroughbreds a second chance at life and although their are lots of crazy people out there we do tend to have advanced technology which wolves don't have so they aren't civilized.

A deformed wolf pup would not survive. In a way, wolves are being humane by killing those pups, because they have no chance at a healthy life.

Also, not everybody buys their food at a grocery store. That's far from an accurate way to measure civilization.

[The Winter Soldier]

it's actually more accurate than you think most people buy from grocery store i never said everyone did I am absolutely done with this thread.

people here seem to love to think that we can call wolves civilized but you forget they don't have advanced technology their for that immediate disqualifies them from being defined as civilized.

[Odeen]

it's actually more accurate than you think most people buy from grocery store i never said everyone did I am absolutely done with this thread.

people here seem to love to think that we can call wolves civilized but you forget they don't have advanced technology their for that immediate disqualifies them from being defined as civilized.

I think you are unrealistically hung up on the significance of civilization (also grocery stores) - it literally has nothing to do with whether or not it is appropriate to slaughter apex predators because some ignorant person thinks they're scary.

[KHR0ME]

It's not that I don't like wolves, but some people make it sound like they'd never ever hurt a human, which is not true.

[Odeen]

It's not that I don't like wolves, but some people make it sound like they'd never ever hurt a human, which is not true.

Wolves are territorial apex predators. Of course under the right circumstances they can pose a threat to humans. That is why every naturalist ever tells people over and over and over again not to approach any wild animal they encounter - it's not safe. However, just because it is not safe to interact with a wolf or any other wild animal (I'm looking at you, people who decide to try and pose with wild bison) does not mean that they are inherently harmful to us or our wellbeing. It means that, excluding extenuating circumstances, we pose a far greater threat to wolves than wolves do to us.

Since we know for a fact exactly what benefit the presence of a healthy wolf population can have on an environment, the onus is on us as the better-informed species to do our best to maintain a healthy respect for, and coexistence with, the wild wolf.

[KHR0ME]

It's not that I don't like wolves, but some people make it sound like they'd never ever hurt a human, which is not true.

Wolves are territorial apex predators. Of course under the right circumstances they can pose a threat to humans. That is why every naturalist ever tells people over and over and over again not to approach any wild animal they encounter - it's not safe. However, just because it is not safe to interact with a wolf or any other wild animal (I'm looking at you, people who decide to try and pose with wild bison) does not mean that they are inherently harmful to us or our wellbeing. It means that, excluding extenuating circumstances, we pose a far greater threat to wolves than wolves do to us.

Since we know for a fact exactly what benefit the presence of a healthy wolf population can have on an environment, the onus is on us as the better-informed species to do our best to maintain a healthy respect for, and coexistence with, the wild wolf.

Oh, I understand that, but some just try to say they won't attack no matter what.
Sometimes it makes me want to say: "Yeah, walk up to a mother and her newborn. See what happens."

[Kleinkat]

I never disliked wolves, but I just honestly think it's okay to legally kill any non-endangered animal.

[Odeen]

I never disliked wolves, but I just honestly think it's okay to legally kill any non-endangered animal.

Unfortunately, human nature has shown that mankind cannot moderate itself on an individual basis. Wolves were nearly driven to extinction thanks to the superstitious slaughter of their kind by ignorant pioneers and ranchers. Countless other species were far less fortunate and have since gone extinct. I live in Texas - one of the few states with a healthy and flourishing population of deer - and that balance is only maintained because of careful regulation and preservation imposed alongside hunting. You cannot allow one without imposing the other.

[Kleinkat]

I never disliked wolves, but I just honestly think it's okay to legally kill any non-endangered animal.

Unfortunately, human nature has shown that mankind cannot moderate itself on an individual basis. Wolves were nearly driven to extinction thanks to the superstitious slaughter of their kind by ignorant pioneers and ranchers. Countless other species were far less fortunate and have since gone extinct. I live in Texas - one of the few states with a healthy and flourishing population of deer - and that balance is only maintained because of careful regulation and preservation imposed alongside hunting. You cannot allow one without imposing the other.

But that was the past. Not today in the U.S. Actually my state is overrun with mule deer that are even harming people so they're finally opening season even in the neighborhood.