Let's Read: Warrior Cats Series

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Re: Let's Read: Warrior Cats Series

Postby Arcaii » Sat May 02, 2015 10:16 am

Warriors Musings: What's the Difference?

Part 1: Let's Get Physical


You may have noticed throughout this thread that one of my numerous complaints with the original series is the lack of separation between the Clans. I'm not just talking about territory here - I mean in personality, customs, accents, appearance, etc. Except for a title and a specific piece of land assigned to them, the Clans are strikingly similar; in fact, there's very little one can say about each Clan separately:

  • ThunderClan, despite being the one Clan we spend the most time with, has no remarkable features, other than being the ProtagonistClan.
  • RiverClan likes water.
  • ShadowClan is the Evil Group.
  • WindClan is fast and small.

I mean...really? Four series in and that's all you give us?

You can't even say that one group is prideful or snarky or wise, because every time they're described as such, the Clan rarely, if ever, acts accordingly. Even if they do, the other Clans act the exact same way, so why include that at all?

Some of you may have learned about this in school, but in case you haven't (or have, but forgot), I'm going to discuss an evolutionary theory: Allopatric speciation. This refers to the idea that members of the same species will diverge in biology when separated for several generations. In other words, if a group is isolated from other members of that group for long enough, they will evolve into different species over time.

Discounting any cats who have blood from other Clans, kittypets or loners, the Clans are very much separated from each other. For this, the idea of similar-looking Clans is bizarre, especially since they don't interact much save for passing patrols, battles and the Gathering. Their lifestyles are only remotely similar, and even that is at the bare minimum (two-part names, respecting elders, belief in StarClan) - everything else should be different. They should eat different prey, live in different biomes, have different fighting and hunting styles, everything.

See, one of the big problems is that the Hunters didn't take the territories themselves into account. WindClan is small, but they regularly eat rabbits, which can be almost the same size as them, and they live on a long hill, which would make tiny cats exhaust themselves before they made it halfway up. RiverClan has some accuracy (their fur being supposedly waterproof), but they have long hair, which would take ages to dry out, and if their ears aren't adapted, they'll get infections easily when they can't shake all the water out of their head. ShadowClan lives in the marshes and can stomach rotting food, but their appearances don't reflect this. ThunderClan is too nondescript to even discuss.

A Clan cat should be able to tell simply from a look where another cat lives. If a Clan lives on rabbits and is notable for their speed, they should be tall, with long, muscular legs and a thin, aerodynamic build (think of smaller cheetahs, perhaps). Swimmers would have small ears and short but strong legs with webbed paws and short fur that will dry quickly but keep the cat warm in the water. Cats with a tendency to scavenge would perhaps be considered sickly and almost alien by other Clans, but their durability and strong stomachs would be hidden behind large eyes and ears for nocturnal hunting and small paws for stealth. ThunderClan, living by sneaking through the underbrush and climbing trees, would look like Margays or leopards - not necessarily muscular, but well-built, with wide feet to displace their weight, agile bodies, and incredibly strong back legs.

Now, that's all well and good, but what about kittypets vs Clan cats? Well, I'd imagine that's even simpler.

I invite you all to examine these three photos of feral cats, followed by these three domestic cats. Take a good look at their faces. You'll notice that the feral cats look decidedly more wild than their collard counterparts, with long, solemn faces, while the domestic cats are more cute, with wide eyes and rounder features. In fact, if you look up a bigger wild cat (like a puma or bobcat), it's clear that the feral cats look more like them. Whether that is via evolution or simply a hard lifestyle is up to you.

Let's say Erin Hunter put some thought into the story, and kittypets and feral cats looked noticeably different. Fireheart would not have to smell of his home for months, nor would cats have to hear of him before mocking him. Instead, his face would make it very clear that he was born somewhere soft, and even when he becomes as wiry as his Clanmates, some of his ancestry would rest in his wide eyes and kitten-like nose.

Kittypets should all be babyfaced, because that is what we breed them to look like, while Clan cats are more hardened and forced to grow up by their lifestyle. It should be immediately apparent whether or not a cat has had to work a day in its life for food. Their soft bodies are described often, but a house cat can still go through a lot of exercise for fun, so that shouldn't be your only go-to. What about the sagging pouch that all fixed cats have, or the overabundance of loose fur that can only come from an animal that doesn't have to worry about their scent being picked up by a fox? The sleek fur, lack of scars, expressive eyes and loud voice should not be ignored either.

If the books had taken the time to describe the physical differences between the Clans and their neighbors, I think a lot of worldbuilding problems could have been solved, honestly. But that's enough gabber for now.

Thank you all for your patience and time!
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Re: Let's Read: Warrior Cats Series

Postby I r o n. » Sat May 02, 2015 11:14 am

The book said years instead of moons. Good thing I did't forget to put this.
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Re: Let's Read: Warrior Cats Series

Postby hqmary » Sat May 02, 2015 12:47 pm

THANK YOU! Someone finally addresses the problem of Riverclan being long-coated. That bothered me immensely every single time they mentioned it in the books.
Also, I have a simple explanation for why the clans look/act so similar despite their different habitats 'n stuff. All the forbidden relationships. They keep the clans relatively similar, because there are 800 of them every generation.
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Re: Let's Read: Warrior Cats Series

Postby Simonpet » Sat May 02, 2015 12:59 pm

Arcii, I just looked at the front page, and you might want to update it. It kinda fell behind...
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Re: Let's Read: Warrior Cats Series

Postby I r o n. » Sat May 02, 2015 12:59 pm

In alot of rps, infact, the one Im in, has a forbidden relationship, and, everybodys saying it's against the Warrior Code, hah. I can't wait to tell somebody thats it's not.
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Re: Let's Read: Warrior Cats Series

Postby Arcaii » Sat May 02, 2015 1:06 pm

I'll get the front page updated promptly, thank you.

It really annoys me how much the forbidden love thing happens, but honestly, if it weren't for all the extra blood, the Clans would fall to incest and die out pretty quickly.
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Re: Let's Read: Warrior Cats Series

Postby Simonpet » Sat May 02, 2015 4:05 pm

Arcaii wrote:It really annoys me how much the forbidden love thing happens, but honestly, if it weren't for all the extra blood, the Clans would fall to incest and die out pretty quickly.

As you mentioned, they may have mated with passing kittypets or loners. In fact, five out of my seven warrior characters have kittypet ancestry to explain their colors.
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Re: Let's Read: Warrior Cats Series

Postby Arcaii » Sat May 02, 2015 4:17 pm

If Warriors were written my way, mothers keeping their litters' fathers a secret would be regular business, just because the Clan knows that a litter of kittens who may or may not have loner blood is better than a litter of kittens whose parents may be related. Cats aren't exactly monogamous anyways.

Clan-Clan relations, though, would definitely and actively discouraged. Not only would it be incredibly obvious where the father comes from (if we're going by the musings idea of Clan cats actually looking different), but if the father's Clan is running low on warriors, they'd likely turn their sights on the mother's Clan, demanding the kittens because they're technically half theirs. And given that these groups fight on a regular basis and have just a single night dedicated to peace between them, the potential war and (more severely) blatant betrayal of your Clan's trust and loyalty would turn out well for literally no one. Especially the kits, if there was, indeed, a fight for them, because the Clan may blame them for the loss of other lives and time.

But loner relations? Eh, who cares? So some stranger happens to catch your fancy for a night or two. If they're surviving all on their own (and likely healthy/strong enough to attract a female), then that just means stronger blood for the Clan. And it's not like they can fight for ownership of the kittens, since it's one cat against thirty. Besides, loners don't seem all that interested in sticking around after the mother gives birth. You can't easily identify a father you don't know, anyway.

At least, that's how I see it.
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Re: Let's Read: Warrior Cats Series

Postby agathokakologic » Sat May 02, 2015 4:20 pm

I'm rereading Into the Wild, and I sort of think that it's... fast-paced? I mean, Rusty has a dream, goes outside, meets the Clan, goes back to sleep, joins Clan in the morning, beats Longtail, finds out that Redtail is dead, meets Tigerclaw, goes training, and becomes a Warrior in the next 100 pages of so. I would personally give it a bit more time.
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Re: Let's Read: Warrior Cats Series

Postby Arcaii » Sat May 02, 2015 4:42 pm

Yeah, a lot does happen in the first book. Honestly, the first book of any series should be set up as worldbuilding, introduction to characters, and the beginning of the overarching plot.
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