wolves - your opinon?

[sword]

I've always absolutely loved canines of all sorts. Wolves, coyotes, foxes, dogs, you name it. While I could never have the heart to hunt any myself, I even have a taxidermy coyote in my room. It's very dark brown/black with some lighter brown patches. Beautiful creatures, they are.

[Bolt1784]

The ecosystem itself should be the one keeping them in check, not us.

Late response, I know, but I was thinking about this topic while working today.

If you feel that ecosystems should balance themselves out, what's your opinion on veterinary practices?
This is coming from someone who plans to train as a veterinary nurse, by the way. :]

Surely, by your logic, veterinarians shouldn't be working at all - viruses and bacteria are part of the ecosystem
and many animals come down with pathogenic diseases (eg parvo and lepto), so surely leaving these natural
diseases to destroy an animal is allowing the ecosystem to balance things out?

[Kleinkat]

The ecosystem itself should be the one keeping them in check, not us.

Late response, I know, but I was thinking about this topic while working today.

If you feel that ecosystems should balance themselves out, what's your opinion on veterinary practices?
This is coming from someone who plans to train as a veterinary nurse, by the way. :]

Surely, by your logic, veterinarians shouldn't be working at all - viruses and bacteria are part of the ecosystem
and many animals come down with pathogenic diseases (eg parvo and lepto), so surely leaving these natural
diseases to destroy an animal is allowing the ecosystem to balance things out?

This reminds me of those animal documentaries on TV, like the leopard comes down with something and people are like, "Oh well, keep recording We shouldn't mess with nature." I other words let an animal be in pain from illness while we watch and do nothing.

[Bolt1784]

This reminds me of those animal documentaries on TV, like the leopard comes down with something and people are like, "Oh well, keep recording We shouldn't mess with nature." I other words let an animal be in pain from illness while we watch and do nothing.

Yep... Even though they've already messed with nature by driving vehicles onto the site,
dragging cameras around the place, and treading on countless insects and the like.

[Diariapeck]

I love wolves and totaly disagree with hunting. I dont care if they like it, would they like it if the hunters were hunted? u get me?

[Lonin]

Wolves are ok. They're not a favourite animal or anything.

This reminds me of those animal documentaries on TV, like the leopard comes down with something and people are like, "Oh well, keep recording We shouldn't mess with nature." I other words let an animal be in pain from illness while we watch and do nothing.

Yup yup, unfortunately that's nature. Nature is brutal. Animals get eaten alive or left to starve to death over several weeks or an unlimited number of other horrible lives and deaths.
By interfering you're not getting whatever information you want to get from the documentary and if, for example, you go to try and save an animal from dying you could be harming a predator in the future which would have eaten that animal. Or everything else that goes on with, and comes from, a dead body (circle of life and all that jazz). Or maybe the thing couldn't have been saved anyway, film crews are very rarely exotic wildlife vets as well. Or maybe it could have lived and by putting it out of it's misery you actually killed something that could have pulled through c:
Things happen whether humans are there watching or not.
Sir David Attenborough says stuff

[Animemice]

I love wolves and totaly disagree with hunting. I dont care if they like it, would they like it if the hunters were hunted? u get me?

Remember, hunting grey wolves is legal in certain parts of the world. Grey wolves aren't endangered, so it's perfectly fine to hunt them if you have a license and its legal in your area.

[Bolt1784]

totaly disagree with hunting

Care to elaborate on the reasons why? :)

Think of it this way. You have a rabbit that has lived a full, happy life in the wild.
You also have a rabbit which has been tortured its whole life in a factory farm.

Now, by taking the rabbit from the farm, you've supported the bad treatment of the animals.

Taking meat from wild animals, however, does not lead to supporting the factory farms.

Which is nicer in the grand scheme of things?

[Kleinkat]

Wolves are ok. They're not a favourite animal or anything.

This reminds me of those animal documentaries on TV, like the leopard comes down with something and people are like, "Oh well, keep recording We shouldn't mess with nature." I other words let an animal be in pain from illness while we watch and do nothing.

Yup yup, unfortunately that's nature. Nature is brutal. Animals get eaten alive or left to starve to death over several weeks or an unlimited number of other horrible lives and deaths.
By interfering you're not getting whatever information you want to get from the documentary and if, for example, you go to try and save an animal from dying you could be harming a predator in the future which would have eaten that animal. Or everything else that goes on with, and comes from, a dead body (circle of life and all that jazz). Or maybe the thing couldn't have been saved anyway, film crews are very rarely exotic wildlife vets as well. Or maybe it could have lived and by putting it out of it's misery you actually killed something that could have pulled through c:
Things happen whether humans are there watching or not.
Sir David Attenborough says stuff

I do believe in letting nature take it's course like you are saying, but i'm mainly referring to pestilence. Animals hunting and eating is a little different than watching a animal suffer from mange or something, which is highly contagious. I do agree with the information part, and I understand if it were a random rabbit because there are many of them; but when they do so to endangered animals... that's the part that's confusing. They complain about them being endangered and humans the cause and destruction of the species, yet they do nothing(Yes I know you said the filmmakers are rarely vets, but I know that a lot do associate with tvets)

[Lonin]

I do believe in letting nature take it's course like you are saying, but i'm mainly referring to pestilence. Animals hunting and eating is a little different than watching a animal suffer from mange or something, which is highly contagious. I do agree with the information part, and I understand if it were a random rabbit because there are many of them; but when they do so to endangered animals... that's the part that's confusing. They complain about them being endangered and humans the cause and destruction of the species, yet they do nothing(Yes I know you said the filmmakers are rarely vets, but I know that a lot do associate with tvets)

It's not always easy to tell whether or not an animal has a disease. And if you're hundreds of miles from anywhere filming then the animal might not even survive long enough to get treatment. Diagnosing and treating an illness is hard enough for pets, it'd be even worse in wild animals. Especially for things that require more than one dose. Imagine the stress you'd cause having to repeatedly tranquilise or sedate (which is dangerous in itself) an animal and/or keep it in captivity for however long. You could also mess things up by removing the animal from the wild. And who is going to pay for it anyway?
We don't know all that much about situations involving critically endangered animals, but again, most film crews aren't vets and/or couldn't get a vet out in time and so couldn't do much even if they wanted to.
Mange tends to affect animals that are already weakened or stressed. A healthy animal can have mange mites on it's body but can fight them off.