Fennec Foxes - update for the 2009/2010 Shima Fennecs

[Alice Liddell]

I don't know why everyone was expecting some brand new "special" lines when they said they were redoing the fennec lines and then a few months later we got new fennec lines during the summer event. I was like "Oh these must be the new lines for the shima fennecs".

Sure, I wasn't expecting them to become a monthly thing but I mean saying that the old, original foxes aren't special just because the lines are being used for other things is kind of a weak argument. This is an adoptable site - 90% of the pets (of the same species) have identical linearts. Making another brand new fox lineart for four foxes doesn't really make sense.

They make new lineart all the time for unique monthly sets. (Which could sometimes include only up to 4-5 pets.) Your argument is invalid. Line art different than the normal line art increases popularity and demand. Makes it special enough to matter. It's the same way on every adoptable pet site.

Imo, The new lineart is fine. I just wish they could have at least kept the attributes of the previous foxes. Such as the hair tufts and longer tails. These also aren't as fluffy looking as the old ones. To me it feels like the effort in changing them over was wasted. From one artist to another, giving constructive criticism.

[Lunarsnow]

I don't know why everyone was expecting some brand new "special" lines when they said they were redoing the fennec lines and then a few months later we got new fennec lines during the summer event. I was like "Oh these must be the new lines for the shima fennecs".

Sure, I wasn't expecting them to become a monthly thing but I mean saying that the old, original foxes aren't special just because the lines are being used for other things is kind of a weak argument. This is an adoptable site - 90% of the pets (of the same species) have identical linearts. Making another brand new fox lineart for four foxes doesn't really make sense.

They make new lineart all the time for unique monthly sets. (Which could sometimes include only up to 4-5 pets.) Your argument is invalid. Line art different than the normal line art increases popularity and demand. Makes it special enough to matter. It's the same way on every adoptable pet site.

Imo, The new lineart is fine. I just wish they could have at least kept the attributes of the previous foxes. Such as the hair tufts and longer tails. These also aren't as fluffy looking as the old ones. To me it feels like the effort in changing them over was wasted. From one artist to another, giving constructive criticism.

Most of the time it's just edits not whole brand new linearts for monthly sets. But I understand that the lineart can make or break a design for some people. I don't personally like human-like hair on animals so I didn't like the old linearts with the bangs. (Also at first I didn't know they were supposed to be fennec foxes haha)

I suppose that they could have done a few lineart edits (fluffy tails and some bangs) to make them similar to the old ones, but most people seem to have been wanting a completely different lineart, and that's what I was addressing.

[musicgurl333]

Personally, I agree that some line edits might have been nice, like a fluffier tail. The Halloween foxes had edits...why not these ones? Just a little something small to make them a bit more special. But the thing that bothers me more than the line edits is actually the coloring. I really miss the softer, more blended look of the previous foxes. In the pale pink fox I don't really notice it (and although I notice it on the shoulders and upper back legs of the blue birthday fox it doesn't bother me as much) but in my opinion the Valentine's day foxes with the dark pink color seem a bit flat. This is even compared to some of the other foxes that have come out. For example, all of the foxes from the September litter had a lot more texture, shading, and a softer, furrier appearance. I don't really see that with the redone line arts. That's really what bothers me the most. I understand that the lines had to change, but I wish that the coloring had been done differently.

For comparison:



Also, the old lineart for comparison:



Although the old line art doesn't have a lot of fur texture in the body, you can definitely notice it in the tail and the chest. There are also more shadows and the colors in the design appear a bit softer and more...not blended, exactly, but it's like the edges are a bit more blurred and not as defined. At least, that's how it looks to me.

[Peppercorn]

I don't really like the foxes at all.

[danheng]

Please keep in mind that the new lines were only created because Shima's foxes had to be replaced. We are not going to make another set of lines when we already have one that finally fulfilled it's actual purpose. If this issue hadn't existed, then we might not have recieved any new fennec fox lines that could be used for new litters.

Okay...
I am thankful that we have foxes now. I wont be able to brush the feeling that the new lines... mean nothing. And the old ones did.

I completely understand that we cant have the old ones, don't get me wrong.

[Pyromaniacal]

:( I come back from hiatus only to find my favorite lineart has been replaced with one I don't like nearly as much. I understand that the middle stage was traced, but the final stage looks nothing like a real fox, so how can it have been traced from a photo too?

Does anyone have a picture of the image the adult stage was traced from, because otherwise it is incredibly unfair. Either redraw ALL of Shima's lineart (including the Christmas 2010 dogs' edits, the 2010 Halloween BWolf edits, the November 2010 stitched rats edits, the Shima Longtail edits, and especially the 2010 Fir Tree, since it looks heavily referenced at least) or leave the ones that haven't been traced alone.

Not hating on the work itself, the new ones look great within the limits of the new lineart, but I really prefer the old versions and don't understand why the adult stage needed to be changed.

The edits on normal pet lines aren't art theft and aren't traced so don't need to be replaced because it's impossible to trace the edits as there wasn't anything the original lineart was traced from in the first place. We need to replace the entire fox lineart because if we just kept them, we'd have to keep the middle stage too, and the photographers who originally took the photo could find them and there would be copyright issues. There is also a possibility that, even if it doesn't look like a fox, the old fox adult was traced as well.

[Alice Liddell]

:( I come back from hiatus only to find my favorite lineart has been replaced with one I don't like nearly as much. I understand that the middle stage was traced, but the final stage looks nothing like a real fox, so how can it have been traced from a photo too?

Does anyone have a picture of the image the adult stage was traced from, because otherwise it is incredibly unfair. Either redraw ALL of Shima's lineart (including the Christmas 2010 dogs' edits, the 2010 Halloween BWolf edits, the November 2010 stitched rats edits, the Shima Longtail edits, and especially the 2010 Fir Tree, since it looks heavily referenced at least) or leave the ones that haven't been traced alone.

Not hating on the work itself, the new ones look great within the limits of the new lineart, but I really prefer the old versions and don't understand why the adult stage needed to be changed.

The edits on normal pet lines aren't art theft and aren't traced so don't need to be replaced because it's impossible to trace the edits as there wasn't anything the original lineart was traced from in the first place. We need to replace the entire fox lineart because if we just kept them, we'd have to keep the middle stage too, and the photographers who originally took the photo could find them and there would be copyright issues. There is also a possibility that, even if it doesn't look like a fox, the old fox adult was traced as well.

So far we haven't seen any proof at all about the adults being traced ... (At least I haven't anyway.) only the other stage- unless the staff has the traced image. But it seems a bit silly to base everything on an assumption as Shima wasn't completely incapable of drawing. I've been searching for photos that they could have been traced off of and have yet to find anything. Replacing the middle stage is easy- but unless there is proof of the adults being traced too then replacing them was kinda pointless.

[Pyromaniacal]

So far we haven't seen any proof at all about the adults being traced ... (At least I haven't anyway.) only the other stage- unless the staff has the traced image. But it seems a bit silly to base everything on an assumption as Shima wasn't completely incapable of drawing. I've been searching for photos that they could have been traced off of and have yet to find anything. Replacing the middle stage is easy- but unless there is proof of the adults being traced too then replacing them was kinda pointless.

I wasn't saying they were traced — I was just saying there was a possibility, but nobody had any proof.

[~Rick Sanchez~]

Wait...the adults werent traced? Then why did those need changed? With equimagine at least the second and the adults were traced. But if only the second stage was traced,why not chamge those? its not like there are any second stage pps shimas....heck why not just throw it out?

[Pyromaniacal]

Wait...the adults werent traced? Then why did those need changed? With equimagine at least the second and the adults were traced. But if only the second stage was traced,why not chamge those? its not like there are any second stage pps shimas....heck why not just throw it out?

Like I said, it would be awkward to change just a single stage. That also is mixing linearts up, which I've never seen CS do before. There might be other reasons as well, I'm not an admin who knows everything.