Save Wild Animals

[Cardinal]

I dont view generations of captive bred animals to be 'wild'.

[SneakyNinja]

some times i think they hunt the m for food that is perfectly fine but not just animals that are just killed for no reason?PFFF

[Bolt1784]

In England I think we're banning the use of wild animals in circuses. c:

[pizzas and scream]

i mean captive animals., to give them more things to beat bordom. on top of some foraging simulation.
maybe if they learned to like to watch tv, or give them something else to do. they won't get bord and surcom to zoocosis.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/wildli ... ision.html

[ryleeroo]

I find it odd how many pet owners argue for animal rights. Yes, I understand dogs and cats and ferrets and cows and whatever else they might own are domesticated, but they're still close enough to be the same species as their wild ancestors. Dogs and wolves can produce fettle offspring (yes, a Yorkie could breed with a wolf), so that makes them the same. Just think about that for a second- we created dogs through loads of inbreeding to achieve characteristics of what we find "cute." We made shitzhus with their non-shedding hair, chihuahuas and their tiny size, dachshunds to look long which gives them extra vertebrae, large breeds who stomachs easily flip, floppy eared dogs who are more prone to ear infections, dalmations and their hearing problems, and bulldogs with shoved up faces (breathing problems), legs beside their ribcage as opposed to under it, and the inability to give birth naturally. Did you know the animal cows originated from is even extinct and all today's are from one herd? Same with hamsters; they were from one original litter found in the wild. I don't know, I just think before we start criticizing zoos, hunters, and circuses, we should look at all the damage we've done ourselves. At least the animals found in those are (for the most part *cough* white tigers *cough, cough*) still animals and not man-made creatures with notorious genetic and health conditions

[SneakyNinja]

I feel like im going to go to circus see how the elephants are doing.

[Saracirce]

I find it odd how many pet owners argue for animal rights. Yes, I understand dogs and cats and ferrets and cows and whatever else they might own are domesticated, but they're still close enough to be the same species as their wild ancestors. Dogs and wolves can produce fettle offspring (yes, a Yorkie could breed with a wolf), so that makes them the same. Just think about that for a second- we created dogs through loads of inbreeding to achieve characteristics of what we find "cute." We made shitzhus with their non-shedding hair, chihuahuas and their tiny size, dachshunds to look long which gives them extra vertebrae, large breeds who stomachs easily flip, floppy eared dogs who are more prone to ear infections, dalmations and their hearing problems, and bulldogs with shoved up faces (breathing problems), legs beside their ribcage as opposed to under it, and the inability to give birth naturally. Did you know the animal cows originated from is even extinct and all today's are from one herd? Same with hamsters; they were from one original litter found in the wild. I don't know, I just think before we start criticizing zoos, hunters, and circuses, we should look at all the damage we've done ourselves. At least the animals found in those are (for the most part *cough* white tigers *cough, cough*) still animals and not man-made creatures with notorious genetic and health conditions

-sigh- Shih tzus shed. They simply shed less.

Dachshunds don't have extra vertebrae. Their legs have been shortened due to a form of dwarfism. Which wasn't done at all for looks but in order to make it easier for them to get into burrows to go after badgers and rabbits. Because that was their original purpose and they should be classified as terriers instead of hounds.

The only evidence to support that floppy eared dogs are more prone to ear infections is completely anecdotal. If you have solid, scientific evidence of this, please, bring it forward.

"Dalmatians and their hearing problems" Because all dogs that are extreme pied or otherwise have a lot of white don't have about the same rate of deafness. White boxers, dogo argentinos, American Bulldogs. It's all the same. The reason it happens is not something wrong within the breed or even the color. It's a lack of pigment in the inner ear that causes the ear drum to not form correctly. Which you can't tell if there will be pigment in the inner ear just by looking at the outside of the ear so don't say 'well just breed dogs with patches on their ears'. If you were going to pick on Dalmatians, you should've used their urinary problems instead. I mean, really, GLARINGLY HUGE, breed-specific target right there ready for pickin'. Then again, they're working on fixing that problem with the pointer outcrosses so maybe you're not willing to acknowledge that the dog fancy can actually acknowledge problems and strive to fix them?

Ah, yes, Bulldogs. Do you realize that over half the dog world despises them and wants them changed? They're pretty controversial in the dog world and have been since /before/ that documentary 'Pedigree Dogs Exposed'. Though I will say that their breathing problems wouldn't /as bad/ if the owners would just keep their dogs fit instead of morbidly obese.

The least you could do if you're going to throw dogs under the bus is to get your facts straight rather then parroting myths or propaganda. Ethical breeders health test and title their dogs to ensure they're bettering the breed. They don't breed willy nilly or for profit and their dogs don't end up in shelters. A Boxer from an ethical breeder is not going to look the same or have the same temperament as a Boxer from a shelter or rescue and the Boxer from the shelter or rescue is going to be more likely to fall victim to genetic illnesses then an ethically bred Boxer. It's really as simple as that.

[Bolt1784]

The only evidence to support that floppy eared dogs are more prone to ear infections is completely anecdotal. If you have solid, scientific evidence of this, please, bring it forward.

Ah, yes, Bulldogs. Do you realize that over half the dog world despises them and wants them changed? They're pretty controversial in the dog world and have been since /before/ that documentary 'Pedigree Dogs Exposed'. Though I will say that their breathing problems wouldn't /as bad/ if the owners would just keep their dogs fit instead of morbidly obese.

In college i've been taught that, because air can't get in to floppy ears as much,
the bacteria are more likely to breed because it's warmer or something. c: I could be wrong though.
Oh, and I have a bulldog who breathes pretty well! She's a very active girl and loves everyone.

[lovesnuffles]

I'm gonna have to disagree with the entire "animals in captivity/pets" deal ... MAYBE I could allow the circus thing ... That's really not fair. They're abused, mistreated and live in tiny cages for the most part of their lives. BUT, for everything else, including zoos and pets, I'll have to put my foot down here

Without taking animals from the wild and domesticating them, we'd literally have no pets, whatsoever. No dogs, no cats, no horses, no cattle, no birds, nothing. Where do you think all those animals started out? Dogs may be so far removed from the wild and domesticated over the course of thousands of years, but they still started out in the wild. And as a reptile keeper, I'll fight this issue with everything I have. You can try to take away the lions and tigers and bears, oh my, but with that, literally comes everything.

Let me tell a story. One about two evil organizations called HSUS and PETA. Now, you've all seen the commercials, I'm sure. The ones with the sad, abused puppies and kittens locked away in cages in various stages of neglect with the sad music playing in the background. The organization begging for money to "help" these animals. Some people fall for it. Others know the truth.

Now the Humane Society of the United States ****And please keep in mind, I am NOT talking about your local humane societies here. Please donate local if you want to help****, they're mostly just a bunch of crooked thieves. Less than 1% of their generated revenue actually goes towards shelters. Though that's not all they're crooked for. They also do a lot of lobbying against exotic pets. That's right. All your birds, ferrets, bunnies, hamsters, reptiles, amphibians, fish, anything that can be considered exotic ... I'm sure almost everyone here has or has had one of these animals at some point. Imagine how much you love that animal. Imagine them taking that animal away. Oh, sure. TECHNICALLY, because of the grandfather clause, they can't ACTUALLY take your animal away. BUT, and they have already done this with some snakes, so it can and WILL happen, imagine if they put restrictions on those grandfathered pets. You can't travel with them across state lines. Now your loving bunny rabbit, Fluffy, cannot move with you when your dad gets that new job in the next state over, or you're risking a $10,000 fine and possible felony.

PETA ... Ah, PETA ... The organization for vegans to commit to helping relieve animals from their slavers ... Oh, yeah, that's what PETA sees you as. A slaver. They're even WORSE than HSUS, because they don't even want you to have your DOG. Did you know also that PETA shelters kill more dogs than any other shelters in the world? This wonderful, animal loving organization, thinks that dogs are better off dead than in the service of human slaves. Now, I dunno about you guys's dogs, but mine seem to be perfectly happy where they are o.O

http://www.humanewatch.org/

You'll have to google about PETA if you want to learn more. Most of the things from them are way too graphic to post on a children's site. Don't say I didn't warn you.

So yeah, it starts with the tigers, and all, and it ends with your precious mutt Fido.

Now don't get me wrong, I fully believe in animal conservation. Rebuilding the species and captive breeding and all. I will fully support that kind of saving the animals. I don't want tigers to die out anymore than the next person. They're beautiful creatures and everything in the world has a purpose. I recently watched a video about wolves and what happened when they disappeared from a reservation, then what happened when they were re-introduced. The changes were drastic. Without wolves, the smaller animals were able to breed and overpopulate, eventually killing the vegetation and making the reserve a not so nice place for anything to live. Wolves were re-introduced and started controlling the population, vegetation came back, the eco system was whole once again. What would happen if the animals were to disappear? It's a scary thought. One I don't want to think about. So yeah, save the animals, but leave them in our care.

[pizzas and scream]

I find it odd how many pet owners argue for animal rights. Yes, I understand dogs and cats and ferrets and cows and whatever else they might own are domesticated, but they're still close enough to be the same species as their wild ancestors. Dogs and wolves can produce fettle offspring (yes, a Yorkie could breed with a wolf), so that makes them the same. Just think about that for a second- we created dogs through loads of inbreeding to achieve characteristics of what we find "cute." We made shitzhus with their non-shedding hair, chihuahuas and their tiny size, dachshunds to look long which gives them extra vertebrae, large breeds who stomachs easily flip, floppy eared dogs who are more prone to ear infections, dalmations and their hearing problems, and bulldogs with shoved up faces (breathing problems), legs beside their ribcage as opposed to under it, and the inability to give birth naturally. Did you know the animal cows originated from is even extinct and all today's are from one herd? Same with hamsters; they were from one original litter found in the wild. I don't know, I just think before we start criticizing zoos, hunters, and circuses, we should look at all the damage we've done ourselves. At least the animals found in those are (for the most part *cough* white tigers *cough, cough*) still animals and not man-made creatures with notorious genetic and health conditions

but they are not wolves mentally and emotionally.
a dog pack is not a wolf pack. street dogs that form packs are fluid. wolf packs in the wild are family units. the wolf's needs and dog's needs are differnt.

there is a branch of animal rights that is for total animal abolistion. no live stock, no helper animals, no companion animals.
if you want to enjoy a dog, watch one in it's habitat, like people watch butterflies.

Rebuilding the species and captive breeding

I don't have the link and forget the site, but there are worries captive breeding programs might accidenty domesticate the tiger and elephant and such.
because the breeding pairs are not eeking it out in the wild. finding their own mates.
or we would create a whole knew animal. if we started getting tigers with shorter tail vertebrae, longer faces, bigger teeth, thinner limbs, that is no longer the tiger we once knew