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Re: Fish Lovers 2.0

Postby Cardinal » Fri Sep 05, 2014 9:34 am

Removing non-game fish from the ecosystem is illegal in nearly all of the US. Removing wildlife from nature preserves is definitely illegal.
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Re: Fish Lovers 2.0

Postby Gryffindor's Sword » Fri Sep 05, 2014 9:49 am

I was just going to say something about that. Thanks for saying it Cardinal!
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Re: Fish Lovers 2.0

Postby Blood Storm » Fri Sep 05, 2014 10:16 am

Cardinal wrote:Removing non-game fish from the ecosystem is illegal in nearly all of the US. Removing wildlife from nature preserves is definitely illegal.

this is not true here in Florida. I can go out and catch any non-game fish(ranging from a minnow to a large catfish or gar) from anywhere without a license, but there are laws against some methods of catching them(like in some areas I cant use a cast net, but I can use a dip-net).

as for the preserves here they consider it fishing and as long as you follow the state laws(and the preserves laws on some game fish) there is no issue.

but it is illegal for me to sell the fish I catch without a license. so I can catch as many of these fish as I want, but I cant make a dime off of it.
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Re: Fish Lovers 2.0

Postby Cardinal » Fri Sep 05, 2014 10:32 am

It was more or less towards people wanting to go out willy-nilly. In mine and many other states in the US it is legal to posess non-game species. Not everyone knows this and people should check their local laws. :)
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Re: Fish Lovers 2.0

Postby .muse. » Fri Sep 05, 2014 11:03 am

herpluvin wrote:
Cardinal wrote:Removing non-game fish from the ecosystem is illegal in nearly all of the US. Removing wildlife from nature preserves is definitely illegal.

this is not true here in Florida. I can go out and catch any non-game fish(ranging from a minnow to a large catfish or gar) from anywhere without a license, but there are laws against some methods of catching them(like in some areas I cant use a cast net, but I can use a dip-net).

as for the preserves here they consider it fishing and as long as you follow the state laws(and the preserves laws on some game fish) there is no issue.

but it is illegal for me to sell the fish I catch without a license. so I can catch as many of these fish as I want, but I cant make a dime off of it.

It's also illegal for you to release about half the fish you've said you have caught and released out there.

What more people don't realize on top of it's usually illegal to posses non game species, and to even net fish without a license, is that if you catch a non native, you can't release it. It has to be either consumed, kept, or disposed of. Can't even use them as bait. Which sucks some times really. There are a few non natives out here in our rivers that make good bait for the more desirable fish. -_-

We have more the release issue here in California with our freshwater systems. Our salt water systems we have massive catching illegal fish issues. But in our rivers where people dump their pacu and goldfish and giant red eared sliders, it's become almost impossible for fish and game to keep up.
Especially around Persian New Year, since I guess it's good luck to have a gold fish in your house for it, but the people who buy them never plan to keep them, and I hear 'I'll just release it in the river in a couple days' all the time. Drives me nuts when I'm at work.
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Re: Fish Lovers 2.0

Postby King of Crows » Fri Sep 05, 2014 11:11 am

Can someone inform me a bit on Dwarf Gouramis?

I'm in Advance Animal Science this year, and I have the chance to choose what sort of fish to put into both a 40 gallon tank, and a 55 gallon tank, and my teacher will pay for everything. We cleaned the tanks out today and set the filters up, so now it's just up to cycling and getting the fish!

I'm leaving the 40 gallon up to other kids in the class (there are about 6 of us), but I'm seriously excited about the gourami project. They'll be going in the 55 gallon. Basically I am trying to find info on feeding, how many I should put in the tank, and really anything I seriously need to know about them!
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Re: Fish Lovers 2.0

Postby Bolt1784 » Sat Sep 06, 2014 1:40 am

Just seen some wild shrimps and rock gobys in the sea here in Spain. c:
I also spotted this beautiful fish - definitely dead, the poor thing.
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Re: Fish Lovers 2.0

Postby Hime » Sat Sep 06, 2014 4:01 am

Anyone have a tank set up with the Walstad method? If so. Has it been working without problems, like it should, or has there been problems?

I'm kinda curious to try it out(not with my currently running tank though), since it seems tad less expensive than normal set up(as in you don't need a big filter, just something to circulate the water) and I do like plants, so I have no issue with heavily planted tank. XD
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Re: Fish Lovers 2.0

Postby Blood Storm » Sat Sep 06, 2014 1:09 pm

Museatron wrote:
herpluvin wrote:
Cardinal wrote:Removing non-game fish from the ecosystem is illegal in nearly all of the US. Removing wildlife from nature preserves is definitely illegal.

this is not true here in Florida. I can go out and catch any non-game fish(ranging from a minnow to a large catfish or gar) from anywhere without a license, but there are laws against some methods of catching them(like in some areas I cant use a cast net, but I can use a dip-net).

as for the preserves here they consider it fishing and as long as you follow the state laws(and the preserves laws on some game fish) there is no issue.

but it is illegal for me to sell the fish I catch without a license. so I can catch as many of these fish as I want, but I cant make a dime off of it.

It's also illegal for you to release about half the fish you've said you have caught and released out there.

What more people don't realize on top of it's usually illegal to posses non game species, and to even net fish without a license, is that if you catch a non native, you can't release it. It has to be either consumed, kept, or disposed of. Can't even use them as bait. Which sucks some times really. There are a few non natives out here in our rivers that make good bait for the more desirable fish. -_-

We have more the release issue here in California with our freshwater systems. Our salt water systems we have massive catching illegal fish issues. But in our rivers where people dump their pacu and goldfish and giant red eared sliders, it's become almost impossible for fish and game to keep up.
Especially around Persian New Year, since I guess it's good luck to have a gold fish in your house for it, but the people who buy them never plan to keep them, and I hear 'I'll just release it in the river in a couple days' all the time. Drives me nuts when I'm at work.

our non-natives have adapted to our environment to the point that they look nothing like the fish in their native habitats do(they are duller and longer, and normally smaller, a full grown florida Oscar only reach 8 inches long). I may release non-natives I catch(though I mainly catch natives), but I make up for it in the fact that a ton of our non-natives taste better than our natives(once we caught about 25 mayan cichlids, 8 Oscars, and 45 tilapia that were large enough to be eaten, and cleaned every single one of them for a big fish-fry, but we set loose any smaller fish so we can catch them later on). in areas where normally native fish cannot survive, the non-natives thrive and make a prey item for large animals in that area. we don't have issues with pacu so much as cichlids, but most cichlids are of no issue in my opinion)
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Re: Fish Lovers 2.0

Postby Cardinal » Sat Sep 06, 2014 3:26 pm

I think they meant its not wise to catch a fish, keep that fish for a while, then re-release it. Doing this with most animals is often illegal because in the home environment animals are exposed to various illnesses, parasites, and fungus's that their wild brethren are not. Re-releasing these animals expose wild species to the pathogens and can decimate wild populations, it has happened expansively in amphibians.
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