CS Debate Thread

[Night Visions]

Of course, anyone could have joined in our conversations on that thread. It's not like we were stopping people from joining. That was the good thing about the thread. We got to meet new people. The only problem was that people were scared to join our conversations. We were never stopping anyone from joining in at all, they were just scared to.

[Shandelion.]

Initially, I found the TTAmY thread too, then I started posting more and quoting and replying. Eventually, I became part of the community. Not the clique, community. I think you are exaggerating about only a few of us chatting, because that wasn't true. Almost everyone was talking and discussing, and it wasn't even that much. All you need to do is post, not make excuses.

[nyacinth]

Hello.
Mind if I pop in?
Please note that I am arguing respectfully, as that is how all people should.

I disagree with most of you. I feel that it was righteous for the thread to be shut down. Now I'm not gonna go saying I'm /glad/ that it was shut down or anything because I'm certainly not happy that a big thread of happiness would get shut down.
Most of what I have in my head has been said already. It has been made known by my previous supporters of the shut-down that the thread was riddled with spam. I believe this is true.
You argue by saying the thread is supposed to be things that amuse you, and if spam amuses you, then it must be relevant to the topic of amusement. I have little idea how you came up with this idea.
I have a personal argument to fight with.
You have said that one of the purposes of your thread was to amuse people allthewhile making friends and introducing new people.
And he is where my argument comes in.
When I joined CS, I was a COPPA member. I used to love to watch the threads that all if the amazing super cool normal people could write on. I specifically remember watching the things that amuse you thread when it was smaller. Of course it was still large, but not at all compared to today.
I literally dreamed of being able to post on threads like that when I lost my COPPAship.
And when that amazing day came I was horribly disappointed. I went to go check the things that amuse you thread, to discover that it didnt seem like I would easily fit myself in.
All I saw was a group of friends randomly chatting. They seemed to already be chatting about things that went so many pages back. And I couldn't really find my way in. Who was I to barge in and interrupt their conversation that seemed to last an eternity?
To put it bluntly, I did not feel like I would be at all welcomed there. It seemed to be just a big group of people who seemed to know each other very closely. It seemed more like a large personal discussion than an open place to share to me.
And so I never posted. I felt like my posts saying random normal stuff like "I am amused by this video" would not fit in with pages of spammy chat.
The thread was so riddled with spam, that it actually repelled me. I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this way, either.

I don't like joining in with arguments/debates, but as I might've been counted in this 'group of friends' I feel like I should have my say.

I agree a lot with this post. I used to just lurk around the thread as I wasn't sure where I could join in, and a few users (who don't post there really anymore) kind of scared me, much for the same reasons megarin and scree mentioned. In a way, it's like walking into a crowd of people you don't interact with much and trying to join in with their conversation. While some people don't find this that bothering, many people would be a little shy.

I wasn't online at the time of all the 'spamming', but I was a bit daunted by it all. I tend to read back pages that I miss, and reading the majority of that (about 10-15 pages) all the caps writing and constant mentions of doctor who and the like.. In a way, it was the same thing being posted over and over again.

Part of the reason I posted on there is because, well, I like posting amusing things. TTAmY was the thread for that. It was also where I'd find things other users posted that are amusing, and I enjoyed sharing them with my friends. If the thread was remade, I would love that. But, I'd like for it to go back to how it used to be. I'd hate for a no replying rule to be applied.

[Kyame]

Whether you believe it are not, it was only a select few who were contributing to most the spamming before it got shut down.

User 1's comments from last ten pages that were off topic (they also kept just quoting people with nothing else)

"I wanted to watch Attack on Titan! Or something."
''Literally only two people notice Al's voice in the entire Hagane no Multiverse: Winry in episode 3 of 2003 ("Al...? Is that you...?") and Roy in episode 2 of Brotherhood ("Wait, are you...?"). In the latter case, he doesn't even comment on it in the manga, because paper can't play audio, obviously. X3 I left the Xat."
"Close enough to what actually happens. I'd still like to see what other people think,though."
"SUPERWHOLOCKLORDOFTHEMERLINPOTERALCHEMIST? Or is that too hard to read...Alternatively, what would happen if we put Attack on Alchemist (Attack on Titan + Fullmetal Alchemist) and Fullmetal Zelda (The Legend of Zelda: Spirit Tracks + Fullmetal Alchemist) in a blender?"
"Wat.(Are the missing weapons in an ice cream truck?)"
"There is broken BBCode in my signature. How did I not notice that before?FMA/DW crossover thing! Someone in both fandoms, think of something! (I've watched DW before, just not "properly".)"
"^ teleport! I should bad-translate a plot summary of FMA..."

User 2's comments from last 10 pages that were off topic

"Awww... why????"
"That's true actually....WHERE'D YOU GO ON XAT? NITRO?"
"IT SIGNED ME OUT OF XAT! WHAT?"
"Yeah, I think that's what makes us spam... we really need a chat thingy..."
"YEAH! How do you make a chat thingy, eh?
DIVERGENT AHAHHAHAHAHHA"
" erm.. actually I did...and you spelled "technically" wrong...sorry, I couldn't help it...grammar..."
"Yup, high five!I don't like calling it "Grammar Nazi"... I don't want to be compared to Nazis... I'm sorry...
but yes, I always try to capitalise "I" and spell correctly..."
"Hahahaahahahah.... lol... ARUUUUUU NERD CUBED???? OMG I NEED TO SEE THAT! ANYTHING WITH "NERD" IN IT!!! HEHEHE Rub some Bacon on it.....
"I don't know... I WANT U BACK, I WANT U BACK, WANT YOU WANT YOU BACK!"
"We were already insane, in case you didn't know that... I'm listening to all these weird Rhett and Link songs....erm..."
"I actually came up with most of that... so... yes"
"nope, supernatural, DW and sherlock were there already, I thought of SAO and pokemon..."
"SUPERWHOLOCKLORDOFTHEMERLINPOTTERWARRIORGAMESFULLMETALDIVERGENTATTCKONJACKSONDEATHBUTLERADVENTUREDIRECTIONMORTALINOURSTARSISMAGICTWILIGHTOFTHRONESONLINE that's enough....oh my...
"SUPERWHOLOCKLORDOFTHEMERLINPOTTERWARRIORGAMESFULLMETALDIVERGENTATTCKONJACKSONDEATHBUTLERADVENTUREDI"" "Ehhhh....I DON'T GET HOW THINKING OF FANDOMS MAKES YOU SO INSANE....I think it makes you saner, because you actually bothered to remember all those randoms..."
"and what about when so many people are going on about Supernatural? and Lavender Town? Not all of us like all that stuff.... we're not spamming, we're not posting that much. Did you even see what happened that day???? That was spamming.. not this....
""nah SUPWHOLOCKMERLORDOFTHEFULLMETALPOTTERUPONABIGBANGDIVERGENTINSTRUMENTSONTITANONLINE erm... alright.. NOPENOPENOPE me is INSANIST"
"superwholock... why? I'd prefer FullMetal Doctor.... you made that, Nitro?"
"JELLY BABY RAIN!!!!!!! WOOOOOOOOH!"
"YES! THE ICE CREAM MAN STOLE THEM!"
"It was probably describing me, Nitro....and change the "f" in fun to "r'... No, Saphire, I'm just using some techniques to CONVERT NITRO... DELETE DELETE... but please, don't get rid of FMA, Saphire.. I SHOULD START SAYING THAT!!! hehehe "SET IN THE NEAR FUTURE! TO BREAK THE LEGS ON A STICK EM' ON YOUR HEAD!""
"THE FEZ IS THE CROWN FOR THE NEW RULER OF THE THREAD! AHAHAHAHA"
"*stands in corner, shuffling from side to side* erm... anyone want a JELLY BABY?"
"ROGER! wait, who's Roger? ME IS COMING!!! HAHA, wait, why do we need to invade? Who said we don't already rule???"


Now this is just 2 users, there were more that were constantly spamming. It's no wonder they shut it down.

[Shandelion.]

I'm becoming upset now... and feeling guilty........................

Honestly, a lot of the posts on the thread were like those, I don't see why they stand out.
Thank you for putting so many of my posts and making me feel even worse.
Thank you so much.

[Agent Cooper]

It's not like we're trying to make you feel bad. We're just saying that creating a little clique like that makes people scared. Even if you don't mean to, it's still your clique that you are involved in, and it shouldn't of been made in the first place. I just think that it quickly became a club that felt unwelcoming, and everyone had their own conversations going on. That's not very inviting, is it?

Also, please don't try to do the entire "I feel bad, please pity me" approach with this. It's near impossible to not notice the fact that the same couple of signatures were on page after page. You all got 3 warnings. By then, you should've realized what was wrong and fixed your problem. Just because you feel about about it now doesn't change anything.

We understand if you just wanted to have fun with friends, that's fine. Just don't do it on a public thread, and do it in a way that excludes other people.

Bottom line, the thread shoud've been locked. If they do re-open it, at least make a rule like on the TTAY where you cannot respond to other people's posts, and should keep it to PMs. You can mass PM people, I believe. If not, there are chat programs.

You all turned the TTAmY into a clique, not a community, a clique that should've been destroyed before it started.

[ArcticGold]

Actually I understand and agree about why it's was locked. I have posted on that forum on the past, well the ones before this one I believe or just looked through it and people posted normal things that amused them, like a gif or a picture. But now that I look through this version of the thread, there is so much random chatting about who knows what. I'm not saying that I wanted the thread to get locked but I agree that there was a ton of annoying spam about random things.

but then comes the question. who cares? it bugged you that you werent included, not their fault.

No it's not that I wasn't included, I wasn't trying to be included or anything, I wasn't trying to communicate with anyone XD I'm just saying that it was annoying with all random chat that had nothing to do with the main topic itself

[Tea_Leaf]

It's not like we're trying to make you feel bad. We're just saying that creating a little clique like that makes people scared. Even if you don't mean to, it's still your clique that you are involved in, and it shouldn't of been made in the first place. I just think that it quickly became a club that felt unwelcoming, and everyone had their own conversations going on. That's not very inviting, is it?

Also, please don't try to do the entire "I feel bad, please pity me" approach with this. It's near impossible to not notice the fact that the same couple of signatures were on page after page. You all got 3 warnings. By then, you should've realized what was wrong and fixed your problem. Just because you feel about about it now doesn't change anything.

We understand if you just wanted to have fun with friends, that's fine. Just don't do it on a public thread, and do it in a way that excludes other people.

Bottom line, the thread shoud've been locked. If they do re-open it, at least make a rule like on the TTAY where you cannot respond to other people's posts, and should keep it to PMs. You can mass PM people, I believe. If not, there are chat programs.

You all turned the TTAmY into a clique, not a community, a clique that should've been destroyed before it started.

I completely disagree with the no-reply rule.

The thread is made to share amusing things, and to possibly include feedback. In fact, feedback for a thing that was posted is - in my opinion - rather crucial to making a person feel good and happy - which is, after all, the entire purpose of the thread.

For example, let's take another thread on this website, perhaps the Fun Ways To Use Items! thread.

Many people comment on posts (or dress-ups), effectively making the person feel good about themselves, and encouraging the player. There are some players who also very eagerly post their own dress-ups - maybe they spent a long time on them, maybe not - but still get no feedback whatsoever. They feel discouraged, unhappy, maybe even a little upset (and yes, some of this is from personal experience).

So, on a thread that's designed to share things, I don't think it's ideal to make a no-reply rule.
Take Tumblr, maybe, or some other large social network.
One of the biggest reasons why they're so popular is because you get the chance to share, interact, and communicate.

Yes, there was spam on the thread, but I do believe that when the thread is remade - it has to be, after all; if it isn't, then the staff of Chicken Smoothie are trying to defeat the site's own purpose - there should not be a no-reply rule.

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Another thing that I wanted to mention:

I feel both very uncomfortable, and disagreeing with the term you chose to describe the frequenting group of people.

I don't believe that they were a clique.
I'm not yet sure what kind of group they were - there are so many terms to describe them - but 'clique' is most definitely not what they were.

As taken from a trustworthy dictionary:

a small group of people, with shared interests or other features in common, who spend time together and do not readily allow others to join them.

Though the first half of the definition somewhat accurately describes the group, I'm mostly focusing on the last half. We were not allowing other people to join.

We were not saying 'You can't post here, now go away.'

As all of the people who mentioned the group have said, they were nervous to post something on the thread.
The people posting on the thread were not doing anything that did not allow those other players to post. Rather, it was the player that wanted to post that did not allow themselves to post.

See, all the people who said they were unsure of posting never said anything about the group openly saying that no one else could post. The players didn't post because they were allowing themselves to feel that way.

Anyone could have posted; no one else did.

I'm simply pointing out that your use of the word 'clique' is unjustified, inaccurate, and hurtful.

[CroissantMoon]

lets just all agree to disagree. it was amusing spam. BAM! now how about make athread FOR spam? shouldnt that be allowed? like a place where you can say random stuff that somewhere else would be 'spam'. that would solve everyone's problems! with the whole 'it would need constant modding' argument, hire a new mod to JUST mod that! or..something like that..or if you cant, you dont need moding all the time anyway, im sure you could just visit and randomly read stuff. and if too many people report it for GOOD reasons, then boom, no more chances. there, solved XD

[mal du pays]

That would be just like a chat thread though. And if the amusement got a spam/chat thread, then every thread would need to have one, since that would be fair. of course, if there was a spam thread, it would probably slow the servers down quite a bit.
A chat site, like the DeviantART chat rooms, would be a much better option, or even a messanger. You wouldn't need mods, and if you use a dA chat, then you can just give people the link or link to it in your signature and people could join that way. you wouldn't get warnings for it either, considering it would be offsite. :33