Dog Owner Chat! (for-fun poll added) (new chat)

[Saracirce]

"I'm not wrong. If I was, I'd have dogs like theirs"

I'll just say this; it's pretty clear what that implies. Sense our dogs aren't perfect, because our dogs have dog aggression or same sex aggression or fear aggression etc. we're not right. Maybe you didn't mean it to come across that way, but it did. I am not putting words in your mouth.

Now, good night and keep believing whatever you want. No point repeating myself anymore.

I'm just saying that I must be doing something right, I cannot be all wrong and it shows in my dogs.
I'm nt saying m digs are perfect or flawless or better than everyone, I'm just stating facts and that fact being that they aren't aggressive. Marty's still stupid and obnoxious like he has been since I got him, but at least he is not aggressive.

And apparently, everyone else is 'doing something wrong' because our dogs have aggression issues? Like we've said many, many, many times before, not all aggression can be 'fixed'. Whether because it's too deeply ingrained or because of genetics or because attempting to 'fix' it would cause more stress then it is worth (particularly prevalent in dogs like Lolita), you can sometimes only manage the dog. Once again, it's not fun for anyone and especially not for the dog. It's not easy to deal with. But when you commit to a dog, you commit to it. Don't you think I wouldn't rather be able to walk Clemmy nicely past other dogs? I don't even give a rat's butt if Clemmy can meet other dogs but it would be nice if she didn't nearly yank my arm out of the socket EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. she sees another dog on walks. I've tried everything to get her to stop doing it short of putting a choke or prong collar on her or otherwise yanking at her neck, which I absolutely refuse to do.

Don't you think I would 'fix' Lolita's aggression if I thought I could without causing her an undue amount of stress? At this point in Lolita's life, all I can due for her is try to keep her stress to a minimum and try to get her to lose some weight. I can't fix her leg for her, I can't help her pain from her arthritis anymore then we're already trying, I can't make her ears work again, I can't erase the cataracts from her eyes, I can't make her organs new again, I can't help her immune system. I can't do anything for this dog except keep her stress down and try to get her to lose weight. I mean, god, this is making me cry and I have to go babysit a two year old in an hour. I can't DO anything more for her then we're already doing and it's not enough. I would take all that pain for her in a heartbeat, I'd turn back the clock to a time when I was personally going through hell so she could be my young, spunky mutt again. She may not be my 'heart dog' but I would do all those things for her if I could. But I can't. All I can do try to make her last few weeks, months, years the best I possibly can.

[Centri]

Lol I saw that on FB too
And I had a quick look at the comments
Most people were saying its wrong (was it born naturally or made in a laboratory?)
And I saw one comment that said "wouldn't that just make it a mutt!"
Lol wot?
So obviously people do think yellow, black and chocolate labs are different breeds

I believe animals like that are created when two embryos at an early stage happen to merge. In this case, it would be the embryo of a black and the embryo of a yellow pup that have merged. So the dog would actually have two different sets of genes in the same body (it is its own "twin").

[FuzzyThePunkCat]

I have a question for you Saracirce. Did Lolita jut become this way in old age? Because from the way you talk about it, it seems that way or that you just starting trying to fix it when she became old.

Lol I saw that on FB too
And I had a quick look at the comments
Most people were saying its wrong (was it born naturally or made in a laboratory?)
And I saw one comment that said "wouldn't that just make it a mutt!"
Lol wot?
So obviously people do think yellow, black and chocolate labs are different breeds

I believe animals like that are created when two embryos at an early stage happen to merge. In this case, it would be the embryo of a black and the embryo of a yellow pup that have merged. So the dog would actually have two different sets of genes in the same body (it is its own "twin").

I read up a bit on it, it's caused by a division of cells. I'm assuming that means the cells divide into a yellow coat color and a black coat color? I'm not completely sure.

[Saracirce]

Srsly? I've mentioned several times that she started showing signs as soon as we got her at 8 weeks. And excuse me for being a 11 year old who knew nothing of dogs or training. Thethings did do made her wworse but at least I was wise enough to stop. By the time I learned better (about two years ago) she was already old and making her trek downhill.

[Jazi]

I have a question for you Saracirce. Did Lolita jut become this way in old age? Because from the way you talk about it, it seems that way or that you just starting trying to fix it when she became old.

This is why a lot of us react as though you are always saying we're wrong and doing everything wrong and you're perfect and since your dogs don't act like that your dogs are perfect.

You still have not answered my question. What makes you right and all of those people with mountains more experience wrong? I'm not talking me at this poin- I'm talking MalfoyQueen and Link. I'm talking the dozens of akita sources written by breeders, rescues, clubs, professionals and people who have been in the hobby for longer than you've been alive. How do you justify calling them wrong?

Have you missed that I own and love BSL breeds; pitties, chows, german shepherds, dobes, to name just a few? That I fight for them every day, and experience the result of all of their reputations, and fight to keep them safe from people's misperceptions and fears? That maybe I do know what it's like to own BSL breeds?

[IAmLink]

I have a question for you Saracirce. Did Lolita jut become this way in old age? Because from the way you talk about it, it seems that way or that you just starting trying to fix it when she became old.

This is why a lot of us react as though you are always saying we're wrong and doing everything wrong and you're perfect and since your dogs don't act like that your dogs are perfect.

You still have not answered my question. What makes you right and all of those people with mountains more experience wrong? I'm not talking me at this poin- I'm talking MalfoyQueen and Link. I'm talking the dozens of akita sources written by breeders, rescues, clubs, professionals and people who have been in the hobby for longer than you've been alive. How do you justify calling them wrong?

Have you missed that I own and love BSL breeds; pitties, chows, german shepherds, dobes, to name just a few? That I fight for them every day, and experience the result of all of their reputations, and fight to keep them safe from people's misperceptions and fears? That maybe I do know what it's like to own BSL breeds?

Jaz- Honestly I'd love to go into the discussions of Japanese spitz and all their nuances. And by that I'm not talking just Akitas or even Shibas for that matter, I mean all Japanese spitz. But it seems that anytime I post, including my last post which was COMPLETELY ignored, my points never make it through to Fuzzy.

I've been into Japanese spitz (including looking at American lines of Akitas) for YEARS now. Talking with breeders, researching lines/faults/issues with the breeds/etc. I looked at Wolfgang's breeder and I was honestly revolted at what I saw. Those were just awful looking dogs, even for American lines. Seems that my advice won't be heeded until it's too late. Once that Akita reaches a year to a little over a year old, changes are going to happen in that dog. It's inevitable. Doesn't mean that he's going to become a monster, but he will have some behavioral changes that, if no advice is heeded about the breed and taken into account that behavioral issues MAY occur, he's going to have some problems adjusting once he matures.

Whatever. Not my dog, not my problem. I have a spitz that was raised properly from a puppy and still ended up with behavioral issues that we had to work on. Doesn't make other people special.

[FuzzyThePunkCat]

HOW do the dogs look horrible at all?

I took Kiba and Wolf to a pet store that is kind of a small business out of town. They got to meet kittens, guinea pigs, all kinds of reptiles, rats, hamsters, chinchillas, ferrets, birds etc and they did AMAZING. Wolfgang was so respectful of these animals that it completely amazed me. I was soooo proud of my boy <3

@Saracirce, I was just asking -.- You said you didn't know Lolitawould be aggressive, but now you're saying she was already that way at 8 weeks. Just makes no sense to me. And I was 11 when we got Marty and I was already so into dogs that I trained him.

[Saracirce]

I didn't know she would be aggressive before my brother and I met her (my mom got her while bro and I were at our dad's). She actually bit my bro first time we met her and left a scar. I didn't even find about the neighbor thing until years later. So, yeah, it does make sense that, at 11, I didn't take heed of the warning signs.

And good for you. At 11, I was more concerned with my dad getting a divorce, moving in with my mom, all the school I had missed, one of my bros fighting with my step dad constantly and my dad going to prison then I was about a dog. The little bits of time I wasn't stressing about fam was spent at the pool. At 11, I hadn't even had a puppy before, let alone a dog who lived inside.

[FuzzyThePunkCat]

I didn't know she would be aggressive before my brother and I met her (my mom got her while bro and I were at our dad's). She actually bit my bro first time we met her and left a scar. I didn't even find about the neighbor thing until years later. So, yeah, it does make sense that, at 11, I didn't take heed of the warning signs.

And good for you. At 11, I was more concerned with my dad getting a divorce, moving in with my mom, all the school I had missed, one of my bros fighting with my step dad constantly and my dad going to prison then I was about a dog. The little bits of time I wasn't stressing about fam was spent at the pool. At 11, I hadn't even had a puppy before, let alone a dog who lived inside.

If you could only know the stress and stuff my family has been going through during the time I got Kiba and Wolfgang between my parents divorce, missing months at a time of school, making sure I did not have to live with my mom, and my parents and me fighting over Misty and Marty. Having my mom trying to take Misty and Marty from me is the most stress I've ever had in my life. I've never even mentioned that stuff on here because I don't like to feel like I'm complaining or like I'm trying to make people pity me, so I just don't talk about it. When it comes to my dogs, I feel like since it's my responsibility, I can't make any excuses.

I hadn't had a puppy before when we got Misty (I was only 8). We had a dog, but he was very old and I'd isn't do much with him. But, I was so into dogs that I took on training Misty by myself when we got her. Once again, I was only 8, but I trained her by myself because I was the one who wanted a dog for myself to raise and train.

[Saracirce]

Fuzzy, drop it. You just dredged up a lot of sore stuff.

And you were more into dogs at that age then I was. Big frigging deal. Don't care.