Dog Owner Chat! (for-fun poll added) (new chat)

[FuzzyThePunkCat]

I know I'm also not the most popular person here right now but before this turns into a big thing, it want to say BOTH of you are right.

It's not fair for either of your dogs, and throwing in a little of the past it's not really fair that you say piper probably most likely will develop problems because she was backyard bred because you don't know her mother or father or anything. So you can't really judge.
But ANYWAYS, moving away from that, both of yours dogs hVe it unfair. There will ALWAYS be people that no matter what kind of dog, the breed, size, or shape, there will be people out here who do or say something to make it unfair.

The only thing I can't agree with, saracirce, is that end bit, that "your dogs have it less fair" than fuzzies. That's like looking a somebody who is starving themselves and saying, "you should be grateful that at least you have food! Don't waste it! People in Africa have it much worse!"
And that's not right.

BOTH of your dogs don't have it fair and no dog has it "less fair than the other".

Edit: why are we fighting with ourselves? We can both agree it's other, stupid people out there that cause this. So what is there to argue on? Geez. Seriously, all it is lately is arguing with each other on this thread, and I know I'm one to talk, but it's time to stop and take it to pm.
Nobody likes to see this or get picked on and bullied, and it's time to start letting things go.

I agree. I was never saying her dogs ha it more or less unfair. They both have it unfair, but there's really nothing you can do if someone judges your dog, but to try to grow off of that and make your dog a better dog. When people judge Wolf I educate them if I have the chance or I just say "oh well, they're missing out on many amazing dogs out there if they're judging dogs for their breed". And as much as it makes me angry, no matter what you do there will always be uneducated judgmental people out there. Plus, I mean, for people with aggressive dogs to have things said bout their dogs, Atleast there is a REASON. There is no reason for people to judge dogs like Wolfgang. He has done nothing wrong.
And when I see dogs with problems, instead of thinking how unfair it is to that dog and bringing myself down, I just feel better that my dogs are not like that and it makes me strive to make my dogs better dogs. There are always drogs out there who are worse or have it worse than your own. After living through hell with my grandmother's dogs, it made me a better owner to my dogs and gave me bigger morals about things like raising and the treatment of small dogs and things like how to feed etc. It made me realize that small dogs are the same case as "dangerous breeds", people are too quick to judge them or treat them like babies th same way people judge and treat breeds like Akitas like they are monsters.
Oh and when I said Piper could have problems, I didn't mean behavioral, I just meant health because it hard to predict or tell when the parents weren't tested. She may not though, who knows. Kiba may end up having health problems some time because he parents weren't tested so there's really no way for me to know whether or not she will. But, I never believe that Kiba will have behavioral issues because of being from a bad brewer because I know my dog and I have worked my butt off for her to not end up like my grandmother's dogs.



Anyway, on a different subject. You know how some dogs think their reflection in a mirror is another dog? Well, I actually think Kiba and Wolfgang have grasped the concept of a mirror. There's a mirror on my bathroom door and if they're in the other room and can't see me and I'm in the bathroom like straightening my hair and can't see them, usually we can see each other in the mirror (but they can't see themselves in the mirror and I can't see myself in the mirror, only each other). If I look directly at them in the mirror they'll look directly at me and if I motion for them to come here or mouth come here or anything like that, they'll come into the bathroom to me. And if they want to go oxide they'll look directly at my reflection and motion for me to let them out. Or if I'm standing I front of the mirror with them there and say like come here're with my mouth in the mirror and they're looking at me in the mirror and I'm looking at them in the mirror, thy will walk over to the real me. It's a really cool how they figured it out.

[Keletheryl]

Piper has figured out the mirror too. We have a long mirror at the end of our downstairs halway and since piper has rein over that area and the kitchen, when we leave we always give her a cookie which is in front of the mirror so when she's out of the gate sometimes she will look at you as you stand in front of the mirror, and then look at you in the mirror and point to her treats with her nose.

So not only can she grasp the sense of mirror, she also can grasp which direction the treats are in while looking in the mirror, and that's more than I can do! Haha (if I try to fix my bangs in the mirror, which are on the left side, if I'm focusing on the mirror too much I'll try to brush away the right side of my face >.>)

[FuzzyThePunkCat]

To lighten the mood, he are some pics of my dogs playing in the snow x3 Marty wouldn't come out because his paws would get wet lol.











As you can see, Wolfgang is now taller than Misty and he is getting a lot darker.

[WilloweWolf]

Piper has figured out the mirror too. We have a long mirror at the end of our downstairs halway and since piper has rein over that area and the kitchen, when we leave we always give her a cookie which is in front of the mirror so when she's out of the gate sometimes she will look at you as you stand in front of the mirror, and then look at you in the mirror and point to her treats with her nose.

So not only can she grasp the sense of mirror, she also can grasp which direction the treats are in while looking in the mirror, and that's more than I can do! Haha (if I try to fix my bangs in the mirror, which are on the left side, if I'm focusing on the mirror too much I'll try to brush away the right side of my face >.>)

My dogs just ignore their reflections, it's weird. They never have cared.

[FuzzyThePunkCat]

When we first brought Marty home he was laying on the arm of the couch and we had a curio cabinet with a mirror in the back next to the couch and he suddenly saw himself and went insane barking xD Now he doesn't care lol.

[Dappled Sapphire]

OMG fuzzy!
Wolf is so gorgeous and fluffy!!!!
I just wanna snuggle him an bury my face in his neck lol!
(I had to show him to my partner and he was amazed when I told him he was only 6 months old lol)

[FuzzyThePunkCat]

OMG fuzzy!
Wolf is so gorgeous and fluffy!!!!
I just wanna snuggle him an bury my face in his neck lol!

Thank you! I do that to him all the time lol xD


EDIT: Wolfgang has made me beyond furious today. So, yesterday he took Misty's collar off multiple times. I tried to scare him with the collar, so hopefully he wouldn't take it off again. But, that didn't work at allandi found the collar on the ground again with the snap chewed off. He had also peed on the floor in the same place he keeps peeing. I also find that Marty ha gotten into the garbage. Apparently to my dad, it was my fault because "I should have heard them playing and checked on her collar". I was in my room, sick -.-
So, I let the dogs outside before I went to bed ealy at like 12:45 am. This is close to the time I usually let them out for the last time. I have been letting Wolfgang sleep on the bathroom since when I shut him in my room at night now since I got the big rabbit pen, there isn't enough space for him, so he just paces and cries. I leave my door open though, incase he wants to come in. I came back down at 4 am when I woke up and found he had chewed up a roll of toilet paper in the bathroom that he had taken out of the bag, chewed up a decoration that was on the gate into the laundry room, chewed up a Betta cup that we use when cleaning tanks and I have no idea how he got it because they were all up on the counters, chewed up a piece of garbage that I have no idea where he got it, and he KNEW he had done something wrong because he put his head down and hid when I came downstairs.
He got into huge trouble and is went back upstairs. I came back down at 6:15 and let the dogs outside for like 15 minutes. When I let them in Kiba stayed downstairs. She came up at like 8 and had dog poop on her paw. I figured she had stepped in it outside, so I went back downstairs to clean it off. Wolfgang sees me come down and hides. I find he s now chewed up 3 more toilet paper rolls, the bag the toilet paper rolls were in, more random garbage that I once again have no idea where he got it, and peed on the floor in the same place. Plus, Kiba pooped on the floor into places. Are you freaking kidding me, they were just outside an hour and a half ago until they were crying at the door to come in! And Wolfgang just got into trouble for what he had done and decides to do it again? And they decide to do all of this while I'm sick?
I was going to take them to my grandfather's property to play in the snow today. I'm highly doubting I will take them after they did this. Wolfgang is now in his crate since apparently I can't trust him for an hourwhile I'm trying to lay down from being sick -.- I'm also sure that my dad will tell me this was my fault. Apparently I should just sleep in the bathroom with Wolfgang tied to my body all night to keep him from doing these things.
It's not like he would have even had to go to the bathroom again, Kiba either. They didn't eat anything after coming inside. It's not like they aren't house trained. It's not like Wolfgang doesn't know he can't chew these things, plus they literally have so many toys it's ridiculous so there's no excuse for him to chew other things.
Now I am going to have to go buy Misty another collar. I'm going to have to coat this one in one of those bad tasting sprays so Wolfgang won't try to take it off of her -.-
EDITAGAIN: I just went down to find that now Marty has pooped on the floor. I feel like my dogs are waiting to see when I will snap and murder them. I'm getting extremely close. They never act like this. Misty is the only one being good.

[Saracirce]

The world is harder for dogs with aggression. That's just the way it is. End of story.

And, yeah, it is fair for us to say that Piper MAY develop behavioral issues. You don't know the father either. You never met him. The mother was just a farm dog. Piper's not being socialized or exercised enough and your mother won't let you train her. You really think you're going to get a perfect, well-behaved dog? And wouldn't matter if you had gotten Piper the way you did or if you'd found her in a shelter as a puppy. We would've said the SAME. EXACT. THING.

And wow, yeah, I'm so mean and such a bully. How in the world do I even have friends? How does my family put up with me? Like, wow.

[FuzzyThePunkCat]

The world is harder for dogs with aggression. That's just the way it is. End of story.

And, yeah, it is fair for us to say that Piper MAY develop behavioral issues. You don't know the father either. You never met him. The mother was just a farm dog. Piper's not being socialized or exercised enough and your mother won't let you train her. You really think you're going to get a perfect, well-behaved dog? And wouldn't matter if you had gotten Piper the way you did or if you'd found her in a shelter as a puppy. We would've said the SAME. EXACT. THING.

And wow, yeah, I'm so mean and such a bully. How in the world do I even have friends? How does my family put up with me? Like, wow.

That's really not true. The world isn't always harder for dogs with aggression. Jilli has fear aggression because she was attacked by a Lab and then kept isolated from dogs for a year. At first afterwards she was ok, then she just couldn't do it. She is fine with Kiba, but is afraid of Misty so she attacks her if they're in the house together. I'm working on her with Wolfgang so she hopefully will be ok with him. Yeah, Jilli can't go places with us anymore like she used to, but it's not like her life is horrible. She still plays with Kiba and I content with that. She loves when I take her places with Kiba and Wolfgang. I'm sure my best friend feels bad that Jilli can't come to my house anymore or go camping with us, but she doesn't act like the world is a horrible place for her dog. We just keep continuing to help Jilli and hope that things will get better and that eventually she will get over her fear. Until then, we let her play with Kiba and be happy the way she wants. She can't go to dog parks and stuff either, but I doubt my best friend's mom would have let her anyway. And it's not Jilli's fault, it's my best friend's parents fault for keeping her isolated until she became fear aggressive. Misty used to be her best friend, but instead of feeling sad about it, I will just hope that when it warms up we can reacustom them to each other. Sure, it's a shame and it is sad that such a great dog was ruined, but I'm not gonna give up on her or feel sorry for her. Even though she can't do too much now with my dogs, she isn't depressed and having a horrible life. My friend feels bad for her (but is more angry at her mom than anything) but doesn't complain and just works with me on getting her able to do things like go to PetSmart alot and the park more often. Even if Jilli wasn't aggressive, her mom would still probably be trying to isolate her. Either way, she still gets to go tons of fun places with me and even has sleep overs with Kiba. How many dogs get to have sleep overs at their own house with their best friend? My dogs, Addie, and Jilli are the only ones I know who do.
Does this look like a dog with a hard life? These were taken before and during the time her aggression was starting to come out, these were during the time we were getting her out her "isolation"

[swiftie 13]

I've just been through all my photos, and I've found some pics of my dogs. Sorry some of them are big.

This is Blade on my bed sheets.


Blade is the brown one of the left, Spirit is the grey one on the right (closer to the camera).


Spirit sometimes sleeps on my bed, so I decided to mess around with effects on my new phone.


Elsa is our guard dog. She currently lives with my dad to protect his property, this is when we first got her (not intending for her to be a guard dog) and we were trying to get her used to family life. A few month after we got her, my dad's house was robbed and hundreds of pounds worth of jewelry, an Xbox and a PS3 was stolen, so she moved in with my dad because she was still very keen and a little aggressive to other dogs, and she would bite a person if they came in to the house, and she didn't know their smell.


This is a few days after we got Elsa. They were only in the cage because we had people over, and didn't want Elsa to bite them, she stayed in the cage and in the kitchen, but was whining because Spirit was able to roam. Spirit had been brought up in a cage before we got her, so she happily stayed in there with Elsa. We took this photo because we were quite surprised they both settled, Elsa wasn't used to being in there and she usually fought with Spirit because she didn't like other dogs.


We just got this adorable beauty <3 She's a Labrador pup, and we'v called her Rosie.


I absolutely love this picture of Spirit.