CS Debate Thread

[The Great ME!]

"Population control hunting" is just another crap excuse of "We want to hunt something for the heck of it, so let's use overpopulation as an excuse while we destroy the environment to cause sick populations that don't have the proper land to sustain themselves to begin with, so we can further fuel our population control argument that we're doing something good".
If you ask me the only thing that needs population control is humans, but yeah, no one's ever going to open hunting season on those.

Brace yourselves everyone, here comes the opinion attack wars

[CroissantMoon]

i agree with the arguments of hunting. nothing really needs to be 'controlled' because animals die, animals breed. they dont need us to control them. its just an excuse, like the great ME! said. we dont need to eat deer, there's already thousands, no millions of cattle, pigs, bred animals being killed for our food, why go out of your way to kill something for the sheer pleasure of it? makes me so mad for the needless killing when stock animals are already rotting on our shelves..

[Unitatoe]

okay, heres my question on this. what are you guys's opinions on pitbulls? as in what are your opinions on how some people want to ban them?

[CroissantMoon]

i think its absurd, really. no matter what people say, its just a dog breed, its like being racist. you cant discriminate against one set of values...right?

[Unitatoe]

Agreed. also, i think it seems like they are slowely taking away our rights. like "the land of the free" not "the land in wich we are controled"

[Kodabomb]

The pitbull law, to me, is unbelievably stupid. No matter the dog breed, no dog is going to have a personality based on that. They're going to act the way they're brought up.
For some dogs (like pitbulls) their owners might insist that they SHOULD be all tough and crap to match their appearance, leading to accidents people blame on their breed. It can be the same for Dobermans, German Shepherds and some farm dogs. It's the way they're seen by their owners when they're little.
Blame what the dog did, not what they're born as. The same for criminals, and as mentioned above; it's racist. In my area, people blame all the Muslims for the crimes around. It's just an equal rate for the number of 'white' people here. So it's the same for pitbulls; a kid's bitten, they blame the pitbull whether it's him or not, and all of his cousins get a bad reputation.
Ok I'm going to leave now.
I'm not up for debate, just opinions. XD
KODABOMB, AWAY

[Lake Petal]

What is with the grudge against pitbulls? I guess we turn a blind eye to all the German shepards and Terriors and wolf-hybrids that pretty much cause the same damage as pitbulls. The only difference? Stereotypes!
Judge the deed, not the breed.
Honestly, its just like black discrimination. Black people are considered another race. Pitbulls are also considered another race. We deemed blacks as harmful (as we did with Maori and several other people) and we are doing the same with pitbulls. Soon, they'll do the same with some other breed too.
Plus, pitbull problems have us to blame. Its the owners/trainers fault. Not the dog's. They just do what they have been taught to do.

[Lupen]

The pitbull law, to me, is unbelievably stupid. No matter the dog breed, no dog is going to have a personality based on that. They're going to act the way they're brought up.
For some dogs (like pitbulls) their owners might insist that they SHOULD be all tough and crap to match their appearance, leading to accidents people blame on their breed. It can be the same for Dobermans, German Shepherds and some farm dogs. It's the way they're seen by their owners when they're little.
Blame what the dog did, not what they're born as. The same for criminals, and as mentioned above; it's racist. In my area, people blame all the Muslims for the crimes around. It's just an equal rate for the number of 'white' people here. So it's the same for pitbulls; a kid's bitten, they blame the pitbull whether it's him or not, and all of his cousins get a bad reputation.
Ok I'm going to leave now.
I'm not up for debate, just opinions. XD
KODABOMB, AWAY

The law is stupid. I agree 100% with that. Whether they're illegal or not, the idiots who shouldn't own them will find a way to get a hold of them. In fact, in places where they have been banned, it's actually proven that the laws do more harm than good.

That being said, pit bulls do have a higher tendency to be dog aggressive. It's in their genes like their prey drive. Like a dobermans tendency towards same sex aggression. Or a labs tendency to retrieve. It's how they were bred for years. Training and socialization of course play a big role as well, but no amount of training and socialization can completely remove the genetic aspect of temperament.

It does not make them a bad breed. Not at all. Nor does it mean they're human aggressive in the slightest. Quite the opposite in fact.. They're incredibly loyal and lovable pets. As long as their tendency to be dog aggressive is taken into account.

Not all pit bulls will be dog aggressive of course, and other breeds can be dog aggressive as well - I've known dog aggressive golden retrievers - but as said they're just predisposed to it. They simply have a higher chance to be DA than say, a golden. If you're interested in a pit just be mindful of it and prepare for the possibility whether it surfaces or not.

[SabrinaB]

You know, it's not the dog's fault it has a strong personality. A pitbull isn't a dog for an owner who never had a dog before.
If you can be consistent and patient, it can be a great dog! Just be clear with your rules.
I never blame the dog, I blame the owners.

Th owners often think they look cool and put a chain around their necks. They are bred to fight and be strong.
So, who is to blame? The people who breed and handle them, or the dog who got born as a pitbull?
I know pitbulls can be very amazing dogs to have! Just give them space to run and get rid of their energy, and make them social with other people and animals.

[Lake Petal]

The pitbull law, to me, is unbelievably stupid. No matter the dog breed, no dog is going to have a personality based on that. They're going to act the way they're brought up.
For some dogs (like pitbulls) their owners might insist that they SHOULD be all tough and crap to match their appearance, leading to accidents people blame on their breed. It can be the same for Dobermans, German Shepherds and some farm dogs. It's the way they're seen by their owners when they're little.
Blame what the dog did, not what they're born as. The same for criminals, and as mentioned above; it's racist. In my area, people blame all the Muslims for the crimes around. It's just an equal rate for the number of 'white' people here. So it's the same for pitbulls; a kid's bitten, they blame the pitbull whether it's him or not, and all of his cousins get a bad reputation.
Ok I'm going to leave now.
I'm not up for debate, just opinions. XD
KODABOMB, AWAY

The law is stupid. I agree 100% with that. Whether they're illegal or not, the idiots who shouldn't own them will find a way to get a hold of them. In fact, in places where they have been banned, it's actually proven that the laws do more harm than good.

That being said, pit bulls do have a higher tendency to be dog aggressive. It's in their genes like their prey drive. Like a dobermans tendency towards same sex aggression. Or a labs tendency to retrieve. It's how they were bred for years. Training and socialization of course play a big role as well, but no amount of training and socialization can completely remove the genetic aspect of temperament.

It does not make them a bad breed. Not at all. Nor does it mean they're human aggressive in the slightest. Quite the opposite in fact.. They're incredibly loyal and lovable pets. As long as their tendency to be dog aggressive is taken into account.

Not all pit bulls will be dog aggressive of course, and other breeds can be dog aggressive as well - I've known dog aggressive golden retrievers - but as said they're just predisposed to it. They simply have a higher chance to be DA than say, a golden. If you're interested in a pit just be mindful of it and prepare for the possibility whether it surfaces or not.

German shepards, Rottwelters, Huskeys, Dobbermans all have the agressive/attack gene. You dont see any "bans" on them. The only thing different with them is that they are without stereotypes, and they have been breed in a way to make them "more useful" for us (Shepards on the frontline, Huskeys pulling things ext). I bet if they where breed in a way to make them useful, the stereotype would die for them too. Hunting dogs are probably more dangerous than Pitbulls, because they are literally trained to kill. If you are going for higher chance DNA, you will find a lot of breeds that have a higher DNA aggression gene than pitbulls.

"The Caucasian Ovcharka also known as the Caucasian Shepherd, was bred to protect livestock. The typical Caucasian Ovtcharka is assertive, strong-willed and courageous. However, unless properly socialized and trained, the Caucasian Shepherd may exhibit ferocious and unmanageable tendencies since it does not accept people it does not know and has a powerful urge to defend"
You dont see them getting a bad name.

Also, pitbulls where meant to be protective breeds to protect and defend against bears, where as Inus where bread to fight. Litterally. Same with Cane Corsos.

"he Inu is a massive dog with some variations weighing anywhere between 130 to 200 lbs. and can reach heights of 24.5 to 32 inches. Originally bred to be a fighting dog, it is considered dangerous."

((http://list25.com/25-most-dangerous-dog ... /?view=all))

So why are we banning only pitbulls? What about the rest of them?

SabjeBammie: Bless your post. That is exactly what I am thinking.