Fish Lovers 2.0

[Equid Phantasm]

Some fish updates:
For Christmas my fish got a big jar of freeze dried krill to put in all the tanks. I don't think they even ate them though x.x Plus, my mom just got me a bottle of new conditioner.
Luca (Crowntail Betta) also died a few days ago. He's been sick for a while, but I'm not sure what it was. He would just lay at the bottom and wasn't eating as much as usual. Luca was the first fish I EVER had and I've had him for over two years. He wasn't very small when I got him, so he was probably like 3 years old when he died. My grandmother got me Luca the night my 16 year old cat had to be put to sleep and he fought me all about fish andis the reason I started keeping fish. I will miss him so so much </3

Lastly, I've noticed Jade's one eye seems to have gotten clouded over the past month. Jade is a Goldfish who appears to be a mix between Flat Eye Telescope (from her eyes), Jikin (from her tail), and Curled-Gill (from her curled gills). Other than that, she is acting and eating normally. Not sure what it's from.

Edit: Oh and I got two new Bettas the other day! I put them in who of my empty 2.5 gallons. The first one is Axel, he's a male Double Tail Betta and he is lavender with pinkish red on his fins. The second one is Rune, she is a female Crowntail Betta and she is black with metallic green-blue scale and red fins. Both of them are sure tiny. My other Bettas- Blittz, Lilac, Lunar, and Dallas make them look so tiny x3 Axel is shy, but Rune is very social. I saw Axel laying at the top of his cup one day and I came back several days later and he was still laying at the top. I touched the cup and he moved, so I decided to save him. I could have sworn Rune was dead, but she wasn't so I sved her. Now she is happily swimming around in a big tank. I love taking in the fish who are sick or seem to have given up hope. Like when I rescued Dallas when he had fin rot and treated it and now he is fine.

I took some out of the quote to make it smaller.

Aaww, sorry for your fish losses. Pets are pets, no matter if they are fish, or dogs or cats. (No offence to other pets out there of course, too little space here to say all of the types of pets.) We all grieve over the loss of a pet.

First, freeze dried krill aren't for all fish. Many fish do not like freeze dried whole krill or shrimp but may take it if you pull out a few and soak them in tank water for about a half hour before you feed them. It makes the texture better to the fish when they grab onto the krill.

Next, sorry to hear about about Luca. 3 years is pretty good for a betta although in good conditions 4 or 5 years can be expected. 2 things might have been happening. Water conditions, or overeating. When bettas overeat, they get fat and lazy just like an overweight person might do and they sometimes lay on their side even because rather than gaining muscle to keep their fins upright, they gain fat. Daily stimulation is great for bettas, even if it's just running your had around their tank to have them move in the water. Older fish sometimes just kind of give up and lay like that, but at 2 years, it's more likely either the boredom or overfeeding.

You mentioned you had unexpected deaths in a tank. If the tank having the unexpected deaths had the Oranda in it, then it's likely a case of ammonia poisoning. You didn't mention what you'd tested for or what you've experienced, but goldfish, of any variety, put out at least twice or 3x the waste in both poop and urine of any other fish and require a higher filtration than regular tropicals. i.e a 20 gallon filter on a 10 gallon tank. Otherwise, the tank gets off it's cycle and high ammonia or high acid can result. Plus, goldfish like cooler water than say the danio you mentioned died so if you had both, one or the other was suffering from the wrong temperature. Your 2 year old goldfish was very young as they typically can live many years in the right conditions. (I'm on dial up internet and can't go look back at old posts to see what you've tried.)

With Jade, a photo would be very helpful, but in general there are a few conditions that cause eye cloud. The first is water being acidic. If your ph level is lower than 7, then it's too low for tropical fish including goldfish although they like colder water so are only quasai tropical, lol. There are exceptions, my angelfish included like 6.8 to 6.0, but in general, neutral 7.0 ph or close to it is recommended. The other reason could be a scratch or injury to the cornea of it's eye. Other conditions could be pop-eye or cataracts but we would need photos for confirmation, especially if the water is neutral and you've been doing your water changes. There are other conditions, but without more symptoms and photos, it's hard to diagnose why Jade's eye is getting cloudy.

About Axel and Rune. I'm glad you rescued them, however, being a betta enthusiast and former betta breeder, I hope you don't mean you have a male and a female together in only 2.5 gallons??? After they are about 3 months old, male and female bettas should not be housed together or they will start shredding each other. The male will want to mate and the female won't unless she's ready and females typically are not ready until at leat 5 or 6 months of age and at least a inch and a half long (typically larger). The male will still attempt to reach her and his mouth is similar to sharks with tiny rows of very sharp teeth. I hope you either have a divider or they are are in different tanks. Alternatively I hope you have lots of places for her to hide from him because if he sees her, he will chase her and even though she's faster, she'll end up being bitten.

I think that's most of what you asked about.

Feel free to post or PM me if you have any questions.

Equid

[Firefly_Dreamer]

@Equid

I never knew that about bettas... are angels the same?

I would explain why it hurts when copper nips me when i do partian water changes with the sypphon... Well it doesn't really hurt but its a real discomfort and they do it so sudenly and jerky that i jump and scare my other fish. The minnows like to chew on mt oo... im ot sure why.

My angel likes to nip though, and i think thats because i sometimes hand feed him. he handfeed real well, and thats because when i got him he was tiny and he didn't eat flake food so i tried to make a game of it and he liked it... he doesn't need to be handfed anymore, but he des still like it.
(by handfed i mean setting one endof a flake in the water and letting him eat it.)

[gingertail98]

As mentioned in a previous post, I don't have fish but I may be getting a Betta. The pet store I work in refuses to support any kind of animal mill, so we don't sell live pets, but we have out own huge fish tank. Unfortunately, we get people coming and dumping their unwanted fish on us. Today we got a pair of Clown Loaches that were too big for their tank, but they are similar in size to the three Clown Loaches we already had. C: We also just got them a bunch of new real plants and cucumber snacks which they love. The only fish we have with a name is our biggest Pleco, who was named "Toothless" by the store owners daughter when he was first donated because she believed he resembed the character from HTTYD. Next time I work (Friday) I'll try to get a picture of my "Time share" fish babies <3

[Equid Phantasm]

@Equid

I never knew that about bettas... are angels the same?

I would explain why it hurts when copper nips me when i do partian water changes with the sypphon... Well it doesn't really hurt but its a real discomfort and they do it so sudenly and jerky that i jump and scare my other fish. The minnows like to chew on mt oo... im ot sure why.

My angel likes to nip though, and i think thats because i sometimes hand feed him. he handfeed real well, and thats because when i got him he was tiny and he didn't eat flake food so i tried to make a game of it and he liked it... he doesn't need to be handfed anymore, but he des still like it.
(by handfed i mean setting one endof a flake in the water and letting him eat it.)

I am not certain about the mouths of angelfish, I don't hand-feed mine. I don't think they have the sharp rows of teeth though and even if they do, not as sharp and spiky as bettas. I've seen my adult angels lock lips in a fight and cause damage, but it seems more because they try to drag each other around rather than sharp teeth that do the damage... one angel will push or swim until the other is exhausted and lets go. Kind of like rams (sheep) butting heads, lol... lots of butting until one gives up but rarely any damage to the defeated ram.

It's ok to hand feed, it doesn't hurt anything as long as your hands are clean, but expect an occasional nip like you said. Yes, jumping does scare the fish, lol... heck sometimes even if the fish are used to you being in the room, any movement might cause them to jump. I never would hand-feed my bettas mainly because I use pellets, but additionally because my thought would be they would come to expect the hand feeding and "pout" if you didn't hand feed them. Maybe if I had less fish to feed every day, I'd be more up close and personal, lol. I've named my bettas, but not my angelfish except 1... his name is Survivor because he is the only one of an entire hatch that lived in one of my hatches.

As for exercising the bettas, yes, it helps, especially if they are in small containers. I have small containers (Not too small, 2.5 gals.) and to get my girls to exercise, I swirl the water a little which makes them swim in the current. It kind of depends on your filter too, mine are sponges, so they don't make the water move much but most 5 gal or higher regular filters make enough current to keep the fish well exercised.

Enjoy, I'm off for now as my daughter needs to use the computer.

Equid

[Firefly_Dreamer]

Alright, i got a couple decent pics of the single fry.








Can anyone tell based on these how old he is? The parents are about as long as the entire breeders trap hes in.

[i-m-snek]

Alright, I gotta move my bettas from the divided ten gallon to two five gallons (Because I am moving and my new landlord doesn't want a 'huge' fish tank *eye roll*)
What would be the best way to go about doing that?

[flyteck]

Alright, I gotta move my bettas from the divided ten gallon to two five gallons (Because I am moving and my new landlord doesn't want a 'huge' fish tank *eye roll*)
What would be the best way to go about doing that?

Ten gallons is huge? On what planet? o.o
And I've never moved fish before, so no advice, sorry :c

[i-m-snek]

Alright, I gotta move my bettas from the divided ten gallon to two five gallons (Because I am moving and my new landlord doesn't want a 'huge' fish tank *eye roll*)
What would be the best way to go about doing that?

Ten gallons is huge? On what planet? o.o
And I've never moved fish before, so no advice, sorry :c

Right! Crazy freakin landlord. XD

[Dia.]

A full ten gallon tank is about 100 pounds of water PLUS the weight of all the gravel(that's rock) and plants and decoration and whatever.
Your landlord may be worried that the floor cannot hold that amount of weight concentrated in one spot.
Maybe you should be glad that you won't have to pay for a whole in the floor and the loss of a nice tank and fish. o3o

I know my parents didn't want me getting a tank larger than ten gallons because they don't think our floor could handle it.
Unless I move my room downstairs.
But as it gets closer to senior year, I'm not sure that will happen. lol

[Grimace]

A full ten gallon tank is about 100 pounds of water PLUS the weight of all the gravel(that's rock) and plants and decoration and whatever.
Your landlord may be worried that the floor cannot hold that amount of weight concentrated in one spot.
Maybe you should be glad that you won't have to pay for a whole in the floor and the loss of a nice tank and fish. o3o

I know my parents didn't want me getting a tank larger than ten gallons because they don't think our floor could handle it.
Unless I move my room downstairs.
But as it gets closer to senior year, I'm not sure that will happen. lol

Any floor could hold that no matter what. A ten gallon puts significantly less weight on one spot than the average person. So if you floor couldnt hold that, pretty much any decent sized furniture and any people are going to come crashing through the floor.
You only really sometimes run into problems if you're trying to set up like a 200+ gallon tank upstairs.