Re: Cottonwood Adopt Postitively Pangare Prezwalski

Postby corrosive_limes » Mon Dec 09, 2013 4:04 am

Congrats Immy! I was really hoping to win him, but congratulations! May i have a breeding with my mare, Nutcracker? I can link you to her if you want.
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Re: Cottonwood Adopt Postitively Pangare Prezwalski

Postby urie » Mon Dec 09, 2013 4:11 am

Congratulations, immy. Oh well, I guess it's better look next time for me xD
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Re: Cottonwood Adopt Postitively Pangare Prezwalski

Postby SerenWish » Mon Dec 09, 2013 4:46 am

Zenstar wrote:Congrats Immy! I was really hoping to win him, but congratulations! May i have a breeding with my mare, Nutcracker? I can link you to her if you want.


Just realize that the baby will be a normal horse of sorts, not a prezwalski. :3 The only way you could get one of those is either from an adopt or if you bred two of the current ones. XD
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Re: Cottonwood Adopt Postitively Pangare Prezwalski

Postby ImmyWimmy1 » Mon Dec 09, 2013 6:26 am

NB- For the moment all of my horses are closed for breedings. I'm currently going through a rather stressful time and I would rather get things sorted out, both on here and in real life, before agreeing to anything.

Thank you for being understanding, everyone. Now I have to try and reply to the 30 unanswered PMs in my inbox! ^^'
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Re: Cottonwood Adopt Postitively Pangare Prezwalski

Postby Penultima » Mon Dec 09, 2013 11:30 am

ImmyWimmy1 wrote:
NB- For the moment all of my horses are closed for breedings. I'm currently going through a rather stressful time and I would rather get things sorted out, both on here and in real life, before agreeing to anything.

Thank you for being understanding, everyone. Now I have to try and reply to the 30 unanswered PMs in my inbox! ^^'


Please note: Because of the large genetic difference, any offspring from a prezwalski will be infertile, like a mule.
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Re: Cottonwood Adopt Postitively Pangare Prezwalski

Postby ImmyWimmy1 » Mon Dec 09, 2013 11:39 am

ImmyWimmy1 wrote: Foals from breeding these two together do result in fertile offspring, however, due to the odd number of chromosomes (65), future breedings have less chromosomes and show little resemblance to the Przewalski's horse.


The offspring can be fertile- sub-species can interbreed and have fertile offspring, it's just fully-separate species that can't (i.e. donkeys x horses). ^^'
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Re: Cottonwood Adopt Postitively Pangare Prezwalski

Postby Penultima » Mon Dec 09, 2013 11:40 am

ImmyWimmy1 wrote:
ImmyWimmy1 wrote: Foals from breeding these two together do result in fertile offspring, however, due to the odd number of chromosomes (65), future breedings have less chromosomes and show little resemblance to the Przewalski's horse.


The offspring can be fertile- sub-species can interbreed and have fertile offspring, it's just fully-separate species that can't (i.e. donkeys x horses). ^^'


Alright, I just thought I read that someone. I could be wrong though.
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Re: Cottonwood Adopt Postitively Pangare Prezwalski

Postby ImmyWimmy1 » Mon Dec 09, 2013 11:49 am

It's Ok! I thought the same thing, until I researched into it! :D

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Just for those who are interested, I found some more sources for fertile offspring:

http://www.messybeast.com/genetics/hybrid-equines.htm wrote:Hybrids between the Equus caballus (domestic horse) and Equus przewalskii (Przewalski horse), a primitve wild species, are fertile despite their differing chromosome numbers (66 for the Przewalski horse, 64 for the domestic horse).


http://mbe.oxfordjournals.org/content/26/1/199.long wrote:Although the different chromosomal number genetically separates Przewalski's horse from the domestic horse, the two have been known to interbreed with each other and to produce fertile offspring (Short et al. 1974).

(NB- the source above was taken from a scientific journal paper, a form of text that I've been analysing at Uni! :P )

http://www.ansi.okstate.edu/breeds/horses/przewalski/ wrote:They further point out that while crosses between the Przewalski and domestic horses result in a fertile hybrid, the offspring has 65 chromosomes. Subsequent crosses result in 64 chromosomes and bear little resemblance to the Przewalski.


Yeah, I'm a horse genetics nerd. What can I say? 8-)
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Re: Cottonwood Adopt Postitively Pangare Prezwalski

Postby SerenWish » Mon Dec 09, 2013 11:56 am

They'd be fertile, but do you think they'd be at risk for genetic health issues, since they have a difference in chromosomes? :3 Just a thought. (I enjoy discussing genetics. XD)
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Re: Cottonwood Adopt Postitively Pangare Prezwalski

Postby ImmyWimmy1 » Mon Dec 09, 2013 12:03 pm

SerenWish wrote:They'd be fertile, but do you think they'd be at risk for genetic health issues, since they have a difference in chromosomes? :3 Just a thought. (I enjoy discussing genetics. XD)


Hmm, that could be possible. However crossing the Prezwalski horse with the Konik horse (or pony), in order to replicate the phenotype (appearance) of the now-extinct Tarpan breed, has proven a moderate success so far. I don't believe any genetic disorders have been found yet...
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