Kiwi In A Bottle wrote:My comments are in BlueCherry wrote:You basically warped my post, the way you cut things out.Cherry wrote:
Advanced art is to make a place for art that tends to outshine the real intermediate art, so now you can see the real 'middle artists'! Outshines? That just makes it look like it's way better, albeit it could be, but that just seems like another reason why you buy a photo rather than a Picasso because it is realistic, because it's a photo.
Not all of the art there is realism! Yes, of course it has to look realistic, but no, it isn't just picture-like drawings.
I'd buy a photo if I liked it, but I'd also buy Picasso if I liked it (and could afford it.) Some people like different things, and you can tell, the staff put a lot of variety in there. There's human drawings, animals, realism, cute oreo dinos, unicorns, all kinds of stuff. The mods don't go, "let's be oppressive and biased! Since you're a photo-realist and that's what I love, bam! Advanced. Even though it really isn't that good." (Read/said in a silly voice because it really is silly. The mods/other staff cannot be biased, or else I seriously doubt they'd want to work on here or even be allowed. I doubt anyone thinks about them that extremely, but I'm getting the impression people are blaming the mods or the artists just because they're 'let into some big, exclusive club.') Realism is not the only art in there If you aren't a realism artist, and you work really hard, you can get in there too!
People -not here, in this thread, and not always even on this site- complain about how they never get any comments or likes. Note often they only want kind, "you are sooooo awesome and good!!!" comments. Some artists want to grow, and get crit and compliments because they might be stuck in a rut. There is no problem with that. None at all. I can understand that, I'm like that too. But when the advanced got "you are super great!" comments and you got "oh, cute" comments or none at all then you probably felt overlooked.
Tess noticed that and decided to make an advanced one.
Now people who need it can get compliments and critique and the advanced get the compliments (and rarely crit, which is actually kind of sad since they may not be able to grow, but maybe they could, I don't know) and they don't hide the artists who need, who WANT feedback. Since the advanced change, I've spent more time browsing and commenting in the oekaki than in a long time. And I stay in the beginners or intermediate. Sure, I like a few advanced, but that one extra "you're awesome!"comment doesn't really help them in the end. It helps the artists who had less appreciation than the advanced. Which is a good thing, and the reason for this.
You're always (you is used generally!) going to have competition with your art. But you had MORE then, not now. The only thing that is possible to eliminate the competition is ban all the so-called "good" (and they are, but I do feel that the intermediates are good too. Beginners are good, but they aren't affected quite so much by this change, so I'm not going to mention them.) artists from the okeaki. What a great idea. Not really. I wish I didn't have competition on writing, or singing, which is what I most like to do, but it's not like I can go and attack somebody trying out for American Idol or something. Or picket at a bookstore selling C.S. Lewis's books. (I actually like his books. But that was what popped into my mind.)
That's pretty extreme, but it is almost as if people want it to be an option.
think of this as your chance! A big break!
you are a real artist. (Yes, beginners, that includes you. [Please note I'm a beginner as well.])
And every single real artist deserves in there too. It only takes time.even if it's a scribble someone's a real artist. However by the advanced boards standards not every real artist will make it in there without drawing things that look like photos, which is all i've been seeing in the advanced board from what i've looked at.
Please, if you're going to cut things out of posts, add the "..." symbol to notify that you cut something out and it isn't the entire work. (Writing is art, too. Even nonfiction. I can tell you really desire your art and other's art to be respected, and it may have just been an accident you forgot, but please don't edit my post in such a way that it changes my original meaning and sounds more like how you wanted it to sound than the original post sounded. I do see that you just took my bolded points, but still.)
A scribble is art, in a sense. But I don't think a baby coloring on the wall is going to be considered art to A) the parent, B) an art critic or C) any random person. Art is subjective, yes, but a scribble is not art unless you're doing it in the purpose of creating something or conveying something, or something to do with abstract art.
People seem to think that the advanced category is saying/representing "all you 'bad' artists out there, you stink. In fact, we're making a new category just so we can rub it in your faces. Hahahah. "
That's not it at all. It's meant to be good, and I know that "even though it wasn't meant to hurt, it still is!" is what people think.
But wait, stop! If we want to think in the way of "let's make a category to show off the good art and leave the bad art in the dust" then let's apply it to real life.
If the advanced category is only for good artists, so are art galleries. That means that everyone who doesn't have their art there stinks. No, it doesn't mean that. Its meant to honor the artists and give people a place to see it. That's what the advanced it for! Not to leave people out, but to bring people in, and make people better.
In a sense, it may be insulting to say that art like this is just intermediate. viewtopic.php?f=74&t=973143 viewtopic.php?f=74&t=1086810 So that's another reason that the advanced category is good.Bovidae wrote:...
The categories are not in place to degrade artists
If your ego is not extremely inflated you should be able to tell if your art belongs in intermediate or beginners or whateverWell i must have a huge ego. I have trouble because i see my art as lesser or not good enough. Does that mean i have an inflated ego? No, it means that you're a real artist. If you're afraid to put things out there, it matters to you, You want it to matter to others.
I'm not really sure why you posted that, however.
The beginner boards are great actually! You can show off your skills and PRACTICE without having to be overwhelmed by a ton of art that is better than yours. I said it, yes, THERE WILL ALWAYS BE ART THAT IS BETTER THAN YOURS AND THAT'S OKAY!!!It is okay, however as a new and upcoming artist i felt like i would never be where i am now, because i got completly ignored. Yep, I agree it is okay. It is something we have to accept with a good attitude. I do see that people get ignored, which is why this new board is so good!
You should use that fact as a tool to improve. Don't just sit around feeling sorry for yourself. That's not cool you guys.
So if you're offended by these boards please step back and remember that there will always be better artists than you; there is no need to be discouraged by this. Use this as a learning experience!
My responses in pink. I notice that my post is extremely long, so... Yeah.