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Re: The Advanced Writer's Club

Postby Rolly-chan » Sat Aug 10, 2013 12:11 pm

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      Whoa! Does she actually sit down (figuratively speaking) with you and help edit stuff? Thank you for linking that to me, I think that's a good idea for me. I suppose I could indeed twist the story into something I love - but by reading the draft over, I can totally tell -- and if you're familiar with how I put passion into my writing, you'll be able to as well -- that I didn't have much fun with this one. Limitless is pretty unique with the different plot lines I've twined into it - and I think it has a good potential sense it's a Hunger Games type novel, but still has several different elements that make it a way different story and kind of book. It's got a lot of hidden morals and the characters go through several changes during their stay on the island, but at the same time I feel like I was detached from my main character - and you can tell.


      I suppose my point to those giant responses is this -

      1. I suck at passive vs active and someone needs to slap me in the mouth for it.
      2. I'm simply afraid - and end of story.

She doesn't actually sit down with you, but it feels like it. The exercises always come with worksheets you can work through step by step. Everything is explained on that page I linked you. You get your lessons delivered to your mail address and you can decide in which format you want to download them (pdf, for kindle, ebook format, ...) or you can download them all.
Basically, she gives you advice as theory with examples and explains everything so easily it's hard NOT to understand (and it's always interesting) and hands you additional worksheets that you can print out and use. Whenever I read her workshops, it felt like she was sitting beside me and coaching me through the process.
I think she will address the issue about fun and passion, because those are pretty essential for her, since she's all about integrity. But then again, she addressed that in another course and most of the time, she doesn't include the same things in more than one course. She might in this one, because it's kind of the short version of her How To Revise Your Novel course.

I think... you should ask yourself if that kind of novel is what you want to write in the future. Because once you've made a name, you'll need to keep writing the same stuff so you don't disappear like many other one-book-wonders. Or, you start writing with integrity from day one to keep your core readers with you when you change genre, or tone, or whatever else.

I'll pm you something shortly ^^
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Re: The Advanced Writer's Club

Postby Rolly-chan » Sun Aug 11, 2013 2:06 am

Uprising was wonderful <3 Still love it.
But yes, teenagers do have a very different voice than adults. Personal experience and meeting them almost daily reminds me every time xD I still like writing about teenagers sometimes. It's refreshing.
But you can make Rebekka a character you like spending time with. You will have to change her, maybe only a little, maybe a lot - it depends. You'll have to figure out what it is that you don't like about her. And what it is exactly, not just generally that she's a teenager, but rather which traits of hers that maybe pertain to being a teenager distance you. And then you can change them into traits that you like or even love.
What do you want from the story? What do you want from the characters? Make that your target and try to hit it.
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Re: The Advanced Writer's Club

Postby katniss, » Sun Aug 11, 2013 1:25 pm

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Writing Preferences (Poet, Novelist, roleplayer...): roleplayer. however, i want to write a book. i am at the stage where i know random parts of the story but i need to find the detail that joins all my ideas together in a nice little package before i can just write (the beginning is heavily affected by me finding this detail) sorry for the ramble there!

Example (Can be anything; must be a good length): semi lit + club member #123

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Re: The Advanced Writer's Club

Postby Sonmi-451 » Sun Aug 11, 2013 2:06 pm

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Writing Preferences (Poet, Novelist, roleplayer...): Novelist/short-story author
Example (Can be anything; must be a good length): Below is the prologue to a novel I'm in the process of writing.
The rotted wood of the door broke easily under his boot; he pushed his way into the house, grateful for his mask because otherwise the scent would have been terrible. He looked dispassionately at the half-decomposed bodies scattering the room, some curled up and others with jaws hanging open in permanent screams and all totally frightened. At one point he might have felt bad for those poor souls who didn't escape like he did, but that time was long gone.
As he expected, there was nothing of note; everything that might have once be useful – blankets, metal fixtures, carpet – had been looted or was decaying like those who died there. Still, he was required to do a full-house scan – he could be executed for failing to fulfill his duty to the country if he didn't – so he pushed through the rubble to make his way down the main hallway, barely noticing when the bones of a corpse's arm crunched underneath his boot.
All of the bedrooms were in the same state of disrepair as the rest of the house, even down to the cowering dead people in them. With a sigh, he pulled his head out of the master and was just about to exit when he noticed a door on the left side of the hallway that he had originally missed. Opening it revealed not a closet, as he had expected, but stairs down to a basement. Now, any other Excavator might have balked at the idea of going underground with a structurally unstable house waiting to collapse on top of them, but he wasn't just any Excavator.
The Inspectors on his team liked to brag about his luck, but it wasn't luck at all; being the oldest Excavator in the country, he had the best eye for which houses were truly unstable and which would still stand. That was why he insisted examining his assignments beforehand so there would be time to file transfer-of-assignment papers before he was due to go into a dangerous house. Of course, transfer-of-assignment papers just conscripted another Excavator to do the job, but he had long since stopped caring about whether the guy chosen to do his job lived or died while doing so.
“Captain Smith reporting to Lieutenant Marsh,” he murmured into the microphone built into his mask, and immediately Marsh, in his voice so full of excitement and adoration even when made gravelly by his microphone, responded, “Sir?”
“I'm going down into the basement, Marsh.”
“Yes, sir.”
Now that he had notified his team – as was required, if only so the government could keep track of who died where – he turned the light on his helmet on and picked his way down the stairs, which were surprisingly intact. About halfway down, he came across a skeleton so tiny it could have only been a child's, and he pushed it aside without a second glance.
The actual basement area was relatively small but in amazingly good condition; there were spots where you could actually see carpet still clinging to the floor, instead of just mold and ash. However, it was totally empty, and he was just turning away when a small mound in a corner caught his eye.
Crossing over to what appeared to be a pile of rags, he pulled the first scrap of cloth off the top to, instead of revealing more shreds of material, uncover a book, miraculously still existent with binding that wasn't even falling apart.
With a gloved hand, he gently scraped the ash off the book to reveal the title: Holy Bible, King James Version. The letters that spelled out the title were golden, just like the edges of the thin pages and the cover seemed to be genuine leather, something he hadn't seen since before The War.
There was something so interminably old and alien about the book, something that cried out about times long gone and people long dead and emotions long forgotten and a world long vanished, that reminded him of his grandmother. He didn't have very many memories of her, just a recollection of the senses; his ears remembered her warm, rich, soft voice in the same way that his nose recalled how her house always smelled like some sort of fruit pie. It was odd; he didn't have any memories of his parents at all, but for some reason his grandmother had stuck with him all these years.
The government insisted that The War was good, was necessary, but he didn't believe that. And that was the problem with Captain John Smith, Chief Excavator for the Northwest Region: he didn't truly believe. He went through the motions, he acted like a good citizen, but he didn't think like a good citizen. He thought like those rebels rotting in cages in the numerous prisons across the country, and maybe that was because he had memories of a time when things were actually good and when warm and soft and rich actually meant what they were supposed to and weren't just empty words to describe things people had long forgotten.
He knew that all books were contraband and therefore property of the government, to be turned in as soon as they were found, but, as he stood staring down at the Bible and remembered his grandmother, a comforting voice and fruit pies and warm sunlight, he found that he couldn't give such a thing to people who would undoubtedly destroy it.
“Is everything alright down there, sir?” Marsh's voice crackled in his ear, making him jump slightly, and he quickly responded, “Yes. I'm coming up now.”
Fully aware of the fate that awaited him if he were caught, he carefully tucked the book into one of the many pockets in his bulky protection suit, the one that pressed up right against his heart. Then, with one last look around, he made his way up the stairs again, sparing a glance for the child skeleton curled up on the steps this time before picking his way out of the house.
His team of Inspectors greeted him joyously, buzzing about how that was the fifty-third house he had Excavated successfully and mentioning that he still owed them drinks for his fiftieth and speculating about whether or not he would ever unsuccessfully Excavate a house and saying a lot of words about nothing. As they made their way back to the government-issue gray Jeeps, no one noticed the slight bulge in his right breast pocket.

As soon as he got home, he very carefully extracted the book from his suit and set it on his bed, reveling in the feeling of genuine leather underneath his fingertips. There was an uncharacteristic smile on his face as he showered and ate, both of which were mechanical actions that he actually sped up, in order to have more time to examine the book before sleep curfew. He had just settled down on his bed, cradling the book in his lap like one might a small child, when there was a knock at his door, which he promptly ignored when he realized that it had to be Sally Johnson, a very pretty woman who lived two houses down from him and who liked him very much and who he couldn't stand because she was totally and completely mindless.
She knocked once more before giving up and going home – he watched her retreat through his bedroom window – and he smiled again at the fact that he was finally alone with the book.
His fingers, known countrywide for being permanently steady after he defused a few old mines he uncovered in houses, trembled as he opened the Bible, and his skin greedily absorbed the feeling of the smooth, thin paper. With the utmost care, he flipped through the first few pages to find them a table of contents of names of books that he recalled vaguely with the same feeling accompanying his memories of his grandmother, and his breath caught when he got to the first real book, with a title at the top of the page declaring, “The first book of Moses, called Genesis.”
“In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth,” he began to read, and, as he continued, he could imagine his grandmother's voice saying the words.

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Re: The Advanced Writer's Club

Postby indebted » Sun Aug 11, 2013 2:12 pm

Hey guys, I recently got an idea from an art center, and I'd really love it if someone could please help me develop a plot. ^^ If you could, could you PM me?
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Re: The Advanced Writer's Club

Postby Jadeghost » Sun Aug 11, 2013 4:07 pm

@Rose
Omgomg take it!! That's awesome that you got the opportunity. Reading through all the differing opinions above had led me to think that there are most certainly more good than bad that can come of you publishing a work that you don't feel as confident on. And that's what I think it all boils down to...confidence. From your conflicting emotions about the situation I think that you just need to believe in yourself. This publisher contacted you for a reason. You're an amazing writer. If you want my advice...Please please take the contract <3 I'm so happy for you!

And now I kind of have a question for everyone.
My novel that I'm in the process of writing still has no formal title even after seven years. I've always assured myself that it will come to me in time and when I least expect it...I just need patience. Well, turns out that patience paid off...kind of.
While in the shower earlier, I kind of pieced a few things together in my head. There are certain "quotes" I've gathered over the years from various sources that I really love, and one of them I came across rather recently. "Blood is thicker than water."
Now, not to go into too much detail about my personal life, but I've never had a stable relationship with my immediate family: my mother especially. She disapproves of my fiancée greatly, even when he is a great man and I am happy with him. Anyways, while we were dating, she used to tell him the quote above all the time, meaning that if there came a time when I had to choose between love and family, I would ALWAYS pick family.
Here's the catch. Do you know what the full version of that saying is? "Blood of the covanent runs thicker than the water of the womb." Meaning that relationships forged by choice are stronger than any ties through family alone.
Meaning my mother had it backwards.
So basically, that quote means a lot to me. I don't know about you guys, but details about my own personal life sometimes make it into my novel without me even realizing it. ALL of my central characters have some kind of conflict with their parents throughout the story: even if it is minimal, I make a point to show that it is there.

The point of all that was...what do you think of "Blood of the Covanent" as being the formal title of my work? I'm a little hesitant about it though, since it has very little to do with the main plot itself, but it's the first possible title I've considered for even more than five minutes. At the same time though, it kind of really fits my story because a lot of the characters need to defy their families in order to do what is asked of them.
I know none of you know exactly what my story is about, so it's going to be hard to give an exact answer. But I would appreciate any and all opinions about my thoughts on this :3
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The Advanced Writer's Club

Postby pumpkin. » Sun Aug 11, 2013 4:39 pm

I've been neglecting this thread, so I basically have no idea what's going on, but re-reading the last page, I think I know the basics.

Rose. Basically, it's too late for my idiotic mind to process much of anything, let alone have me type a huge paragraph explaining why I think you should take the offer; let's just say I agree with jade. This is humongous, and they wouldn't just offer a contract to anyone.

Jade. I really agree with that title. The title isn't always about the main plot, as a lot of the books I read don't have much of anything to do with the basic plot line, but maybe a quote in the book or a detail you can pick out from the character's history or personality. So, your title fits with the second option perfectly c:

So... onto what I've been craving to talk to someone about. I'm apparently an 'extraordinary' poet, (my teacher said it, not me) right? So, my teacher submitted one of her favorite poems by me into this national contest. Turns out, I've made it into the final rounds, and the people running the competition want to publish mine and a few other poems into a book. So, I'm all psyched about it after I receive the letter from the founder-- but then I show it to my mom. She has to go all downer on me and care little-to-nothing about it, especially after I tell her that other classmates of mine were submitted into the contest, too. So now I'm sort of depressed about it, because my mom is one of those people who doesn't compliment work but correct every little mistake; she's what people call a 'grammar nazi'. I showed her the poem and she listed all the different ways I could've written it, all the other words I could've used... I would be being modest if I say I was a tiny bit aggravated.
I mean, lord Jesus, mom; be at least a little supportive for once? My once-homeless neighbor seemed more excited about it than she was.
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Re: The Advanced Writer's Club

Postby indebted » Sun Aug 11, 2013 4:42 pm

pumpkin queen wrote:I've been neglecting this thread, so I basically have no idea what's going on, but re-reading the last page, I think I know the basics.

Rose. Basically, it's too late for my idiotic mind to process much of anything, let alone have me type a huge paragraph explaining why I think you should take the offer; let's just say I agree with jade. This is humongous, and they wouldn't just offer a contract to anyone.

Jade. I really agree with that title. The title isn't always about the main plot, as a lot of the books I read don't have much of anything to do with the basic plot line, but maybe a quote in the book or a detail you can pick out from the character's history or personality. So, your title fits with the second option perfectly c:

So... onto what I've been craving to talk to someone about. I'm apparently an 'extraordinary' poet, (my teacher said it, not me) right? So, my teacher submitted one of her favorite poems by me into this national contest. Turns out, I've made it into the final rounds, and the people running the competition want to publish mine and a few other poems into a book. So, I'm all psyched about it after I receive the letter from the founder-- but then I show it to my mom. She has to go all downer on me and care little-to-nothing about it, especially after I tell her that other classmates of mine were submitted into the contest, too. So now I'm sort of depressed about it, because my mom is one of those people who doesn't compliment work but correct every little mistake; she's what people call a 'grammar nazi'. I showed her the poem and she listed all the different ways I could've written it, all the other words I could've used... I would be being modest if I say I was a tiny bit aggravated.
I mean, lord Jesus, mom; be at least a little supportive for once? My once-homeless neighbor seemed more excited about it than she was.

That's amazing pumpkin! My mother's like that too. It doesn't matter though--if you got into the final rounds, you must be a really fantastic poet! Especially if the people running the competition want to publish your poem.
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Re: The Advanced Writer's Club

Postby Rolly-chan » Mon Aug 12, 2013 4:34 am

@Jadeghost
My opinion differs from pumpkin queen's. I think the title should have something to do with the plot. When it doesn't it's not so bad that I start hating the book, but I always think "what the hell? That could be better". So if one of your major themes doesn't pertain to that quote in some way... I, personally, wouldn't use it. But it's your own decision, so if you think it fits, then take it.

@pumpkin queen
My mother's the same >_> Isn't it incredibly annoying? Everytime something happens that makes you all excited, she knows exactly how to crush you. Bleh.
You came so far in that contest, so obviously, your poems are great! Don't take to heart if anyone tells you differently! :3
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Re: The Advanced Writer's Club

Postby Artesian » Mon Aug 12, 2013 6:43 am

@Jadeghost - I have never had a title for any of my long projects I was happy with. Really, if you like the quote, you can use it as a working title for as long as you like. Publishers frequently rename books anyway, to fit better with their markets. I agree with Rolly that if it doesn't really fit the content, then it's probably not the right title for it, but right now, your title is almost entirely for your own use, so the only person it really has to please is you.

@Pumpkin queen - My sympathies! Getting into a contest like that is a big thing. And, as a writer, remember that your poems don't have to please everyone. It's your target audience that it is important. Douglas Adams (one of the greatest humor/sci-fi authors ever) gave a copy of one of his books to his mother. She read it, and 'liked the bit about the horse'. Which was just two pages long, and off on a tangent from the main story. ._. So if your mom doesn't think it's perfect and isn't impressed, don't worry about it. She's not your audience, the people judging the competition are. :) And if it's that big a competition, and you've made it to the final rounds? That's fantastic.
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