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by Lady Sabine » Tue Jun 11, 2013 11:37 am
Hippolyta wrote:The worst example of this I know of is the Sea of Trolls trilogy. The first book was amazing. I adored it. I've read it three times, and would read it again. The second one, Land of the Silver Apples, was okay. I really disliked some aspects of it, but I had to know what happened at the end, so I read the third one, The Islands of the Blessed. It was pretty bad; I was extremely disappointed. I felt it was an awful wrap up to an amazing first book.
I actually liked all three of the books equally, even though the shift in focus was vaguely irritating, she maintained good character development and a relatively logical plot the entire time.
VOILA! IN VIEW A HUMBLE VAUDEVILLIAN VETERAN CAST VICARIOUSLY AS BOTH VICTIM AND VILLAIN BY THE VICISSITUDES OF FATE. THIS VISAGE, NO MERE VENEER OF VANITY, IS A VESTIGE OF THE VOC POPULI, NOW VACANT, VANISHED. HOWEVER THIS VALOROUS VISITATION OF A BYGONE VEXATION STANDS VIVIFIED AND HAS VOWED TO VANQUISH THESE VENAL AND VIRULENT VERMIN VANGAURDING VICE AND VOUCHSAFING THE VIOLENTLY VICIOUS AND VORACIOUS VIOLATION OF VOLITION! THE ONLY VERDICT IS VENGEANCE; A VENDETTA HELD AS A VOTIVE, NOT IN VAIN, FOR THE VALUE AND VERACITY OF SUCH SHALL ONE DAY VINDICATE THE VIGILANT AND VIRTUOUS. - v, v for vendettasignature credit
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by Lady Ligeia » Tue Jun 11, 2013 11:49 am
Lady Sabine wrote:Hippolyta wrote:The worst example of this I know of is the Sea of Trolls trilogy. The first book was amazing. I adored it. I've read it three times, and would read it again. The second one, Land of the Silver Apples, was okay. I really disliked some aspects of it, but I had to know what happened at the end, so I read the third one, The Islands of the Blessed. It was pretty bad; I was extremely disappointed. I felt it was an awful wrap up to an amazing first book.
I actually liked all three of the books equally, even though the shift in focus was vaguely irritating, she maintained good character development and a relatively logical plot the entire time.
A few spoilers, so I'll put it in a pale font, so it's hard to read unless you highlight it.
I disliked that Lucy turned out to be an elf and about Thorgil going to the bard's school at the very end. Neither of them felt like a satisfying end to the character's story to me.
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by Lady Sabine » Tue Jun 11, 2013 11:51 am
Hippolyta wrote:Lady Sabine wrote:Hippolyta wrote:The worst example of this I know of is the Sea of Trolls trilogy. The first book was amazing. I adored it. I've read it three times, and would read it again. The second one, Land of the Silver Apples, was okay. I really disliked some aspects of it, but I had to know what happened at the end, so I read the third one, The Islands of the Blessed. It was pretty bad; I was extremely disappointed. I felt it was an awful wrap up to an amazing first book.
I actually liked all three of the books equally, even though the shift in focus was vaguely irritating, she maintained good character development and a relatively logical plot the entire time.
A few spoilers, so I'll put it in a pale font, so it's hard to read unless you highlight it.
I disliked that Lucy turned out to be an elf and about Thorgil going to the bard's school at the very end. Neither of them felt like a satisfying end to the character's story to me.
Honestly, Lucy being an elf was my favorite part. It really made sense of her behavior through the entire series, haha. And Thorgil's was a bit weak, but it was really the best logical option.
VOILA! IN VIEW A HUMBLE VAUDEVILLIAN VETERAN CAST VICARIOUSLY AS BOTH VICTIM AND VILLAIN BY THE VICISSITUDES OF FATE. THIS VISAGE, NO MERE VENEER OF VANITY, IS A VESTIGE OF THE VOC POPULI, NOW VACANT, VANISHED. HOWEVER THIS VALOROUS VISITATION OF A BYGONE VEXATION STANDS VIVIFIED AND HAS VOWED TO VANQUISH THESE VENAL AND VIRULENT VERMIN VANGAURDING VICE AND VOUCHSAFING THE VIOLENTLY VICIOUS AND VORACIOUS VIOLATION OF VOLITION! THE ONLY VERDICT IS VENGEANCE; A VENDETTA HELD AS A VOTIVE, NOT IN VAIN, FOR THE VALUE AND VERACITY OF SUCH SHALL ONE DAY VINDICATE THE VIGILANT AND VIRTUOUS. - v, v for vendettasignature credit
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by Lady Ligeia » Tue Jun 11, 2013 12:02 pm
Lady Sabine wrote:Hippolyta wrote:Lady Sabine wrote:I actually liked all three of the books equally, even though the shift in focus was vaguely irritating, she maintained good character development and a relatively logical plot the entire time.
A few spoilers, so I'll put it in a pale font, so it's hard to read unless you highlight it.
I disliked that Lucy turned out to be an elf and about Thorgil going to the bard's school at the very end. Neither of them felt like a satisfying end to the character's story to me.
Honestly, Lucy being an elf was my favorite part. It really made sense of her behavior through the entire series, haha. And Thorgil's was a bit weak, but it was really the best logical option.
It did make sense, but it just didn't satisfy me as an end for her, maybe just because it seemed to make the whole first book pointless. He worked so hard to save her, and then she just ends up being an elf. And it really was the only logical ending for Thorgil, though I still dislike it.
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by SilverBlade » Wed Jun 12, 2013 3:11 am
Electra Heart wrote:Hippolyta wrote:I adored the first of the Inkheart books, but couldn't finish the others. A lot of times it's like that, I love the first book, but the sequels get progressively worse.
Yeah, the third one was dragged out. I think she felt like she had to write a big long epic thing but she really didn't.
Hippolyta wrote:The worst example of this I know of is the Sea of Trolls trilogy. The first book was amazing. I adored it. I've read it three times, and would read it again. The second one, Land of the Silver Apples, was okay. I really disliked some aspects of it, but I had to know what happened at the end, so I read the third one, The Islands of the Blessed. It was pretty bad; I was extremely disappointed. I felt it was an awful wrap up to an amazing first book.
Yeah, that's what i think happened to the Hunger Games. The first one was like.. wow, amazing. The second one was eeeh.. not so good but there were some nice parts and the last one was a HUGE dissapointment! It feels like the writer got bored or something. VERY annoying

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by Lady Sabine » Wed Jun 12, 2013 3:20 am
SilverBlade wrote:Yeah, that's what i think happened to the Hunger Games. The first one was like.. wow, amazing. The second one was eeeh.. not so good but there were some nice parts and the last one was a HUGE dissapointment! It feels like the writer got bored or something. VERY annoying

I hated the first book, though the second was mediocre, but I somewhat enjoyed the third. The original plotline of Katniss & Peeta was unbelievably lame imho; I couldn't stand a minute of Katniss' internal struggle and thought she was pretty much a dog for the entire series. By making her personal struggle part of a larger social revolution I thought Collins much improved the series by trying to get away from the whiny tween drama that, unfortunately, had made the original book so popular.
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by SilverBlade » Wed Jun 12, 2013 3:27 am
Lady Sabine wrote:SilverBlade wrote:Yeah, that's what i think happened to the Hunger Games. The first one was like.. wow, amazing. The second one was eeeh.. not so good but there were some nice parts and the last one was a HUGE dissapointment! It feels like the writer got bored or something. VERY annoying

I hated the first book, though the second was mediocre, but I somewhat enjoyed the third. The original plotline of Katniss & Peeta was unbelievably lame imho; I couldn't stand a minute of Katniss' internal struggle and thought she was pretty much a dog for the entire series. By making her personal struggle part of a larger social revolution I thought Collins much improved the series by trying to get away from the whiny tween drama that, unfortunately, had made the original book so popular.
Well, it seems we disagree at this one. Yes, I liked that Catniss became a part of a larger revolution but it looked like she was an emotionless
thing rather than a human. Coleen's characters don't look realistic enough, especially Catniss. They do not show their feelings in a way a normal person would. At least Peeta's love for Catniss was clear enough at the first book. Well, I don't know. I enjoyed their struggle to survive in the arena.
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by Lady Sabine » Wed Jun 12, 2013 4:09 am
SilverBlade wrote:Well, it seems we disagree at this one. Yes, I liked that Catniss became a part of a larger revolution but it looked like she was an emotionless thing rather than a human. Coleen's characters don't look realistic enough, especially Catniss. They do not show their feelings in a way a normal person would. At least Peeta's love for Catniss was clear enough at the first book. Well, I don't know. I enjoyed their struggle to survive in the arena.
We can definitely agree that Collins can't characterize to save her life! All of their personalities bounced around and I never understood anyone's motivation- and that's not even getting into the even worse worldbuilding!
I think our main disagreement is just on literary focus. I tend to prefer things with a broad scale, like revolutions, wars, and social reform. You tend to prefer a more personal struggle. Whenever a series tries to shift from one focus to the other it's bound to irritate readers. XD
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by SilverBlade » Wed Jun 12, 2013 5:10 am
Lady Sabine wrote:We can definitely agree that Collins can't characterize to save her life! All of their personalities bounced around and I never understood anyone's motivation- and that's not even getting into the even worse worldbuilding!
I think our main disagreement is just on literary focus. I tend to prefer things with a broad scale, like revolutions, wars, and social reform. You tend to prefer a more personal struggle. Whenever a series tries to shift from one focus to the other it's bound to irritate readers. XD
Yep, I totally agree! X) I do tend to prefer personal struggle cause I believe this is what keeps the world running -I mean we all struggle to live a life as we want it, right? Most of us focus on ourselves and our beloved ones rather than all those strangers passing by every day. This is what I like about personal struggle, it's an everyday issue even if the subject isn't like..normal.
But oh, yeah, it's difficult to understand Collins' character's motivation. OMG, I can never undestand why they do what they do, I mean I'm like: "Bluh? Why did you do that for? I don't get it, I thought everything was ok and...Oh, never mind -_-" And the end was like
depressing.
SPOILER ALERT, do not highlight if you haven't finished the series -I warned you c:Couldn't she mention the names of Katniss' and Peeta's children? cx And what about the other characters? Couldn't she mention something like this: "My mother visits us every Christmas, Gale calls from now and then and my kids treat Haymitch like an uncle"? >.< SO depressing.
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by Lady Ligeia » Wed Jun 12, 2013 11:28 am
Personally, I'm not a fan of romance, so that sort of ruined the Hunger Games for me. I thought that it could have been much better. I also agree that Katniss didn't seem to have a lot of clear motivations. Spoilers for the first book ahead.I did like Foxface, though. She just seemed so real to me. That would be me in that situation, which is why I liked her so much, I guess. She was somewhat-relate-able in a rather unrelate-able story. I was very upset when she died. My favourite characters always seem to die. In fact, by the end of Mockingjay, the only character I still liked was Prim's cat!
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