Rarity issues with Very Rare Rarity Tag

[jinx**]

Hi everybody,

there was a conversation coming up in the rarity list thread, which has been initialized by me today. Everything can be read here:

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=112366&start=5013

The first idea of some automatically algorithms, which creates lists has been discarded, but another idea came up. The main problem of everything depending rarity and rare list, that we have currently on CS is all about the VR rarity tag. There are a lot of very rare pets, which are not on any list and almost all list pets are VR. I know the rare list exists for exactly this issue - to give the user a better view of the rarity (which VR pet is REALLY very rare and which isn't)... But since this list has been created manually by users, it might be incorrect or delayed in some parts...

So we thought about splitting rarity tag VR into two rarity tags, so that the pets, that have rarity in the upper half of the very rare, rarity might get an other rarity tag than the pets thats rarity is in the lower half of the very rare tag. That might fix a lot of problems with the value of VR pets (best examples here are PPS Lion or the Grinner)...

I really would like to hear what other people and especially the officials are thinking about this (Nick and Tess). We do not want to have a list, made by users, which tells us, which pets are more rare than others, we want to see the real rarity - the real value of a pet! That would make CS even more understandable and comprehensible...

[Azuri]

I find that an extra tag would help

[brindie]

Yes, it would help, because for rares list pets that are very rare, and are more rare than another random very rare (like a recent store pet) it might help reduce bad trades. It could be "super rare" XD

[cαkε]

I agree.. I think this would help with trading very much..

[MadameMacaron]

Since I know how hard it is to trade some "list pets" off I believe that we need a new solution too. It's frustrating to own a so called "list pet" but nobody even wants it or is willing pay "fairly" for it. On the other hand many pets (example august pps lion) which aren't on any list are considered as so "valuable" that they are hard to afford even when someone offers an enourmos amount of "list pets". So it seems that the list doesn't really reflect the trading behaviour of many cs players. I don't find the list bad in general (just to notice that!) but there should be something that helps us understanding the trading systems (rarity, demand etc.) better. I think this idea could help us.

[Vintage]

I support this. I have a '10 re-release Grinner, and I get plenty trades for VR '10s. The extra tab such as 'Super Rare' would help with the bad trades.

[FoxerOwl]

The extra tag "super rare" would help with many bad trades. Many new players think that a recent store pet would equal an advent, which is not true, obviously. This is because they're both very rare. I think the "super rare" tag would help everyone enormously in offering for list pets.

But, I have two problems, but please remember I'm not that experienced in the lists and I'm still confused.

#1 - Wouldn't Hekomi and the other users who make up the lists have troubles? If the super rare tag went through, wouldn't there have to be a lot of switching around? Like, let's say the Red Cerebus gets a "super rare" tag while the grinner stays VR. They would probably have to switch those around, correct? It would most likely be very confusing and a dis-advantage for players who couldn't know about the lists, or the list update. Sure, their pet has a new tag... but do they know it has a new value, as well? They could trade that red cerebus for a grinner, thinking they're trading up the list when they're trading down. It would be confusing. (Sorry, I am bad at explaining things.)

Problem two: How could we trade up with our very rare pets to get to a super rare? Once-experienced players would have to switch their values and update their knowledge of the lists drastically. Would two grinners equal a red cerebus, if the tag went through? The players couldn't know. They would have to guess upon demand, what the cerebus and grinners are going for, and what players expect. Do they expect overpay? You never know. The mods and helpers could help other users, but that would probably take months to explain and update the lists. Plus, a mod might make a typo or something like that, and since everyone understands and trusts the mods/helpers, they would say "hey, a red cerebus is going for two grinners!" when it might not be.

I'm sorry for the long post, I am just trying to point out some problems. And if these problems could be easily fixed when the SR rarity came out, I am terribly sorry. Like I said, I don't know much about the lists and I'm confused.

Thanks for reading this, and please PM me if there would be a solution to these problems!

Foxer ♥

[Azuri]

well what i am thinking is all list pets have this SR rarity, because almost no VR will ever become OMGSR, unless they are UR pets

[tawnypelt3]

Sounds nice. Sounds helpful. Don't know if it's a possibility, but I like the idea. Seems like it would be the start of a serious turnaround for the economy. I'm not sure there would be no downsides at all, I definitely think there would be some problems with List pets and demand and the new supposed "worth" (especially if some List pets did not get the "super rare" tag), but on the surface it seems like a good idea. We'll have to dig deeper to be sure of all the possible downsides and upsides.

[jinx**]

I guess #1 is not really a problem since those pets, which are currently on any kind of list, should get the new rarity tag + some more, but if there are any pets, that would stay VR, it's just a small amount. Furthermore the lists are being worked-out currently in a new version anyways...

#2: That is also not really a problem. Other rarity tags have that problem as well, if the rarity of a pet changes (increases).

So I don't see any problem with those...