"The" Rares List Guide - Do not ask about new UR's!

[nickjr]

That's exactly what I brought up before xD was wondering if we should even be discussing the zebra-involved gaps. Especially especially especially if they were last moved to reflect low demand and are only high up because of their rarity (I don't know when or why hey were last moved, though).

Same goes for the rainbow name, actually.

On phone sorry for awkwardness

[nope.]

Have we possibly talked about moving the Yellow Toxic up? It seems like the demand for Yellow Toxics are far greater than Green Toxics, and putting them on the same tier is a bit strange.

[DaDwarf]

Have we possibly talked about moving the Yellow Toxic up? It seems like the demand for Yellow Toxics are far greater than Green Toxics, and putting them on the same tier is a bit strange.

I have swapped allot of green toxics for yellow toxics...there was actually a spike in demand for the green toxic which made it a little harder to acquire them. It's just normal demand on both of them, neither of them has the greatest demand at the moment. I dont see enough demand for the yellow toxic to move it up.

[Hekomi]

@ Aperture; It is confusing, but as DD said we do have the problem of not knowing the actual rarities. TBH I'm really torn between moving the Tiger/BA/Joker because on the one hand I see it as being a good thing, but obviously there are downsides. I think it's something to definitely consider, but I'd rather focus on the gap list.

Has everyone seen it so far? I'd love some more input if possible! c:

[Sanara]

I don't seem to be able to see the BEG on the brake down. It might just be me, but Ive looked it over a few times e.e

[Hekomi]

I don't seem to be able to see the BEG on the brake down. It might just be me, but Ive looked it over a few times e.e

I only took the first pet from each line.

[Sanara]

I don't seem to be able to see the BEG on the brake down. It might just be me, but Ive looked it over a few times e.e

I only took the first pet from each line.

That makes so much more sense. Thank you very much XD

[Kevinsaurus]

Well, first time checking up on the thread since late last night, so here's just some responses to some things:

UR pets will be added around June or so to wait for hype and demand to fully settle. Besides that, what DD said is basically true. I've debated moving the UR Tiger above it but honestly it might just do what the BA and Joker do. Not sure.

The thing about the Tiger and why I suggested it possibly be move above is that, while we can all see it's behaving in a similar way to the BA and Joker, the BA and Joker are in a situation of their own that's distinct from that of the Tiger.

Even moreso than the BA And Joker because at least those have been released multiple times now and there are so many more of them around.

Extending on Possum's remark, although the tiger's tradeable value reflects the demand to a certain extent, its rarity is what's truly striking. Sure, it's not as rare as say, zebras for example, but they were quite the rare UR outcome back in 2010, and I haven't seen anything to suggest a much higher increased rate of releases in the past two years. Stock has significantly dropped for one, because of the fewer re-releases. But also just simply the demand and popularity of the pet has led to several people that hoard this single extremely rare pet outcome. Rarity we have to remember, is one of the two primary components this list is intended to consider, and rarity is based on how many of the pet are tradeable / available for trading and/or in circulation. The fact of the matter is, you never see more than a couple of tigers or so in circulation at any time, and with pet collectors trading for and keeping tigers, that number is basically never going to increase given how rare they are. The jokers and BAs are certainly not as rare, there are many more around, and the big difference is that they are still being traded for somewhat often. You'll see topics about trading away jokers or auction topics for jokers or BAs and the like, but you seldom see anything related to a Tiger available. From this standpoint, I'm sort of classifying availability as a separate entity from demand, although it's understandable how they're interconnected to an extent. Just looking at all these factors though and what rarity really means, the rarity plays a much bigger factor than demand in terms of valuing the tiger in my opinion. Sure, there's a lot of demand for it, but the impact isn't as big as how rare it is. There are an X-fold number of sunjewels more in circulation than tigers for instance. The joker and BA's values are generally fueled by demand. The tiger's, although one can possibly interpret it as demand, is fueled by rarity much more (and more than demand). And as for the whole deal with spiking demand, that's going to probably naturally happen no matter what is done. Tiger's are still probably going go to for more than sunjewels even if they were to be lowered hypothetically. In this case it's more a matter of putting them where they should belong more so based on my arguments and stuff above. The same can't be exactly said for the jokers and BA.

Now...

As for the jokers and BA. On the topic of discussion of them, I still basically stand by what I think would be a reasonable middle-ground for it some several pages back. The BA is actually generally going for lower now it seems. For a while, so many people offered sorbets for them. I've seen the value drop down to balloons and low toxics more so in the past 6 months, so I'm not sure if any type of action is needed to be taken very directly on its situation; it seems to naturally be going down back to normal; the BMD, for example, is basically already back to normal. Most people pay list value for it nowadays.

i'm worried for August PPS
because is just a simple 2012 VR but is paid with advent list and maybe main list :c
and is not fair i think..

The august pps lion will not be added.

What DD said, don't worry about it. It's not as insanely rare and stuff as so many of the pets in between it and the lists, and it won't be on the lists.

As for moving the zebra's, at this point in time, i vote no. Wait until AFTER the change in line-arts. People may love them and decide they want them, demand may spike. But, demand can also be worse because the people who hoard now don't want to hoard them any more after the line-art change.

I believe nickjr or somebody posted about the line art changes last night. It had not come across my mind, but it's definitely a factor to consider. On the whole, compared to its rarity and where its already located on the list roughly, I'd imagine it wouldn't have that much of an affect. It's current placement is more so based on rarity than demand, and a line art change is purely a change in demand. Zebras already have a bad tendency to be traded down because of demand, so not sure if a wait is necessarily needed (if anything, it seems a line art change will rectify the demand), if you get what I mean. The hoarding could potentially become an issue, but I highly doubt it.

[nickjr]

Yep it was me; found my post xD viewtopic.php?f=20&t=112366&start=4830#p54646899

Though I'm mainly wondering about what kind of demand they had when they were last moved and whether that demand is he reason for their current placement. If they had low demand, then we should be wary about heir placement. If hey had average demand, on the other hand, then Kevinsaurus is probably right in that the upcoming library change would "rectify" the demand.

[SilverPersimmon]

I'm going to give my input in for the UR Banana and Cucumber. Though I had the same issues with my Plains Zebra, it wasn't as bad. But I offsite traded for my Zebra so I can't say about trading up for that. I can only say about trading down these pets.

Tho the Banana seems to be slightly rarer to me less people are after it. There are more Cucumbers but it seems more people want them. But every time I try to get a fair trade or a lot of time even underpay but still asking for pets above the Big Gap, I get told because of demand it's not worth anything.
And I have to say thats crap.

Running around with both of them, a lot of people want them. Be it if they can afford them or not. Either if they want them because they are above the Big Gap or the are OMGSR or they want the fruit itself. Or even just to move up the list.
What people fail to understand when they love to spit the word 'demand' out all the time is the fact people /DO/ want these pets for various reasons. And just because people aren't overpaying for them or going nuts about them they have no demand. And that makes no sense. They DO have demand just not as insane as the UR Tiger or Joker. And it annoys me to no end that people that do want them aren't willing to trade fairly because of 'poor demand'. It makes no sense.

Them being equal to each other makes sense. And their position on the list seems to reflect the amount I see and the amount of people who want them. But the word 'demand' for pet most of the list pets needs to stop being thrown around. Even trading Sorbets is a pain because, again, their 'poor demand'. Yet people want them and still use that excuse to not trade fair.

Demand shouldn't be a big factor in the list. If demand is going to factor in so much, the UR Tiger is going to be worth 2 Sunjewels, the Joker is going to be worth a Non-jewel and the BA is going to be worth a little below a Sorbet and the PPS Lion is going to be a low main list pet. And other things will be moved down. Like rats wouldn't even touch the list, Sorbets would be lower and half the things on the September list would be Advents along with half the advents being taken off. Along with a lot more changes that would make no sense and would never reflect their real value.
Reading Kevinsaurus's post above mine, I agree with the supply thing. All the work all of you have put into this list should show more. Not for people to use to overpay for high demand pets and say their place needs to be moved up or underpay for poor demand pets and say they need to move down. People are still going to say the same excuses no matter where they are on the list. Despite demand there is still a limit to how many of each pet there is. There will always be less out there then people that want them and people keep forgetting thing.