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Re: "The" Rares List Guide [READ ALL RULES]

Postby Hekomi » Mon Apr 22, 2013 10:09 am

CaptainSparklez wrote:I think you should clarify what a gap is, for the newbies. :3

Good plan! I'll update that on my saved copy. The little blurb at the front was literally brain garbage I spewed out to have some sort of explanation before I dove into it but I hadn't considered addressing that at all and it's definitely helpful! Thanks!
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Re: "The" Rares List Guide [READ ALL RULES]

Postby Celozon » Mon Apr 22, 2013 10:10 am

I think at some point something should be added to this about rarity math, I've noticed people expressing concerns about this before, it should be pointed out that this isn't rarity math, and show the difference between the two? Its already been established and well-known that rarity math doesn't work. Seeing this list may give people mixed signals about that unless it is addressed.

For the points idea. Maybe for the advent list, have everything broken down to mid 2009 rares, for the September list, have everything broken down to mid 2009 rares and have it broken down to mid advent, and for main list have everything broken down to mid 2009 rares, mid advents, and mid Septembers? I'm not sure, maybe color code the different breakdowns, like this?

Green = Mid 2009 rares
Blue = Mid advents
Purple = Mid septembers

Sunjewel [####] [###] [##]

I'm not sure if thats exactly what your looking for but I think having all three of those would help some users understand the breakdowns better? I know I worked it all out just to have in my notes. Of course for something like this there would probably need to be something detailing what a mid 2009 rare would be, what a mid advent would be, and what a mid september would be.
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Re: "The" Rares List Guide [READ ALL RULES]

Postby FoxerOwl » Mon Apr 22, 2013 10:11 am

Is it completely true that a gap between each tier is worth an '09 rare? Also, what would you need to get onto the september list with advents / main list with September's + advents? I think you should clarify that when you update it (my bad if you already did!).
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Re: "The" Rares List Guide [READ ALL RULES]

Postby Lake Petal » Mon Apr 22, 2013 10:13 am

Hekomi, I think that the Joker should be ranked through rarity. Whilst I agree it has high demand, I've found that with many demaned pets- like the Hollyfox and BA- they are only demanded because something like this happened:

(1) OMG look a BA I WANT IT
(2) That player wants a BA.. Maybe that person will overpay for it!
(3) Hmm? 2 wants a BA too? Well maybe they are in demand! I want one!

I've found this happens a fair bit - with new outcomes, I think this happened with the Grinners to. The only difference being here is that because they have been placed highly because of demand alone, and because people refuse to read the "Rares list already takes demand", as well as the fact the demand has been here a fair bit for ages, maybe the hype will cease a little if it is moved down to where it actually belongs. If we value it with demand... Well, then I'd pretty sure it would be bumped up to at least a purple tox.
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Re: "The" Rares List Guide [READ ALL RULES]

Postby Hekomi » Mon Apr 22, 2013 10:15 am

Definitely like the idea of talking about rarity math. Thanks Noleah. I think I have a blurb in my understanding rarities guide about it, so I might be able to just copy+paste but if not I can write something up.

As for breaking it into '09 rares, advents, septembers... realistically that could happen. But I think it would be a lot of work! xD I wouldn't mind doing so but maybe a bit down the road. Right now I do have time before I start working full time, so I can break it down like this, and then maybe throughout the summer slowly break it down further? I think I'd need some help for that though FOR SURE. I might drive myself mad. cx I do think it would help though, it would just be tricky/time consuming. But doable. Totally doable.

@FoxerOwl I literally just posted a breakdown of the gaps, each tier is very different. It might be on the page before, take a look!

@Petal Yeah, that's kinda what I'm worried about. I want to discuss it in more detail once I finish figuring out the gap list, so for now I might just leave the BA and Joker without specific values, until after that discussion.
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Re: "The" Rares List Guide [READ ALL RULES]

Postby Radioactive.Shock » Mon Apr 22, 2013 10:18 am

I have a small question.Someone said there would be an add-on list.Is there a link to that list?

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Re: "The" Rares List Guide [READ ALL RULES]

Postby Hekomi » Mon Apr 22, 2013 10:19 am

Absol-ute wrote:I have a small question.Someone said there would be an add-on list.Is there a link to that list?

The 09 list? I don't think it's done and I don't have a link right now to it since I'm not the one working on it. ><
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Re: "The" Rares List Guide [READ ALL RULES]

Postby Solloby » Mon Apr 22, 2013 10:20 am

KOMI I WROTE YOU A NOVEL K? HERE IT IS:

I've been working in values of balloon dogs, toxics, sorbets & nons mostly, so perhaps trying to use pets like that will help (like you have done in the above gap section). So I have been operating under the assumption that sorbet = 2 green toxes, green toxic = 2 balloon dogs, balloon dog = 3 blue roses, blue rose = 3 grinners, grinner = 2 mid advents. This means a lot of things can be worked out in terms of balloon dogs (or advents if you want to go down that far). While it's great to know the gap between a pet and the pet below it, having some smaller pets used as a base so "math" can be applied may be helpful (although this is really just a step away from the point idea).

You could always have a mid advent = 1 point and work from there. It wouldn't apply well to the advent list, but above that it should apply nicely (though get rather large). Alternatively, to prevent large numbers from happening, a mid advent could be a copper point, and say a balloon dog could be a silver point, and a sorbet could be a gold point. That way you wouldn't get enormous numbers up the top of the list, and would just need a quick little guide saying how many copper = silver = gold. That may be too complicated for the users that don't have the patience to bother reading the front page, but if this is for users who are prepared to do the math I'm not sure that matters?

One other thing I'd like to bring up, is the UR Fruits. The rerelease seemed to flood the market with cucumbers, but I saw very, very few grapes released. I am still seeing cucumbers floating around every whichway so I still feel the fruits need to be looked at. Right now it seems the rares list guide is the only thing keeping the cucumber's price so high; there's a lot of supply for a fruit, and almost no demand. Meanwhile I don't remember when I last saw grapes floating about. Either way I see a lot more cucumbers than bananas about so I don't think they belong on the same line anymore. The last rerelease did some funky things to the UR pets.

Re the Joker and BA; the BA is still very volatile. I've been offered a CEG for mine twice over 2011/2012. I was offered an UR Malk for one earlier this year. I've seen it go for a Purple Toxic once, and quite a few have gone for a Sorbet. But I've also seen it go for its value, it had a huge slump back to Rares List value around late 2011/early 2012 I think it was. I don't know why but it never seems to settle. The Joker seems to go for a GWJ or so last time I looked, but I don't really track its value. It's not really consistently placed in regards to the BA though; BA is an advent rarity pet, Joker is a September rarity pet. If BA is sitting on the Sept list, Joker should probably lower down the main list? People are going to overpay for it anyway. Shove it with Non Balloon and people might start paying Sorbets for it instead of Nons. I understand that idea is all kinds of wrong though, it's not how the list is supposed to work. But frankly those pets don't work on the list no matter where you put them =P
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Re: "The" Rares List Guide [READ ALL RULES]

Postby Ashki » Mon Apr 22, 2013 10:21 am

Hekomi wrote:
Absol-ute wrote:I have a small question.Someone said there would be an add-on list.Is there a link to that list?

The 09 list? I don't think it's done and I don't have a link right now to it since I'm not the one working on it. ><

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Re: "The" Rares List Guide [pg. 480 draft gap breakdown list

Postby Hekomi » Mon Apr 22, 2013 10:24 am

SOL WHY WHY U DO DIS TO ME.

Nah, no worries, thank you! Kevin actually did suggest that and I think it'd be a good idea since that's how I value pets as well [nons, sorbets, balloons, roses, advents, etc.] so I think it would be helpful as a "general quick list". I think I'd like to save making that though for after I do this? I'm not sure.

Liking the idea of points. That sounds great.

As for the fruits, I do want to move things around a bit [you know I prob should have done that first before making this but that's okay] but I'll probably leave that until I sort out all the gaps. Then take suggestions about where to move everything. Ideally I'd like to move most of the fruit down, but if the grapes are sparse they could certainly move up. Let's save that for another time, just to keep my brain focused on one thing at a time.

Same with the joker/BA thing. xD I'm glad we're all kinda on the same page with those pets.
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