Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Debate

[Jimmy Neutron]

90 votes? cool!
But lets make that 100!
bump! ; )

[Jimmy Neutron]

Bump!
Join the other debate i just added
http://www.chickensmoothie.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1745033

[Bell.]

Okay Guys, I'm gonna state my opinion. I believe that the chicken came before the egg. Yeah, a chicken comes from an egg but it wouldn't be able to survive. It would freeze and die with no warmth or anything to eat or any protection. So the chicken would have had to come before the egg. The chicken would have to have came before the egg.

[Imperfect]

Well, since I'm a Christian, I believe all animals were created at the same time. Thus making the chicken come before the egg.

[Onew~]

Okay Guys, I'm gonna state my opinion. I believe that the chicken came before the egg. Yeah, a chicken comes from an egg but it wouldn't be able to survive. It would freeze and die with no warmth or anything to eat or any protection. So the chicken would have had to come before the egg. The chicken would have to have came before the egg. :D

or another animal fostered it through genetic mutations?? The theory just isnt that some random chick came into existence and somehow survived without parents

if chickens can sit on duck eggs, hatch them, and raise them, i dunno why a mildly different species cannot

[Chiley]

Wooo! I marked the 101 vote. Yay... . . .
I'm actually not looking to argue, or anything, I just decided to finally post my opinion after a while... Running Into this topic over and over several times...

I BELIEVE THE EGG CAME FIRST, THROUGH A KIND OF MUTATION FROM A DIFFERENT EGG. SOMEHOW OR ANOTHER. BUT HONESTLY, I'm not going to dwell on that order.

[Jimmy Neutron]

Yeah, understandable many like to prove their point. But sharing its just fine, as well as just voting.
I agree with your opinion it's logical because mutated genes happen quite often, so it's a for sure possibility,

[Jimmy Neutron]

The hen came first. Chicken eggs have a protein in them that only hens can make, so therefore, the chicken came first.

If a chicken can only come from a egg the egg comes first x3 the earlier hens could have developed said protein and then that gets included into their egg making process which creates a new strand, A.K.A a chicken. So the egg

It's not about the protein (well, not initially), but the mutation. The mutation (usually) happens in the germline cells. Mutations in these cells (not the other set of cells, called 'somatic cells') are passed onto the offspring. The mutation happens in DNA, which then gets transcribed into RNA, and then THAT gets translated into the proteins. A mutation in DNA does not automatically change the protein, either. A single nucleotide change does not necessarily mean a change in the protein, either. Amino acids (the things that make up proteins) have synonyms. The DNA nucleotides AAA and AAG BOTH make the same amino acid (Lysine). It's sort of like different spellings of the same word (color vs colour). Both mean the same thing, they are just spelled a little differently. The exact same protein is made, though.

The mutation (if it actually changes the protein), therefore, starts in the hen. If the mutated cell line does not end up in a fertilized egg, however, there is no change in the next generation. So the phenotypic (what you can see or measure as being a chicken) chicken came from the egg that just happened to develop from the mutated germline of the mother. It's complicated, so chocolate chip cookies if you followed me this far.

Then the mutation has to at least not affect the new chick so badly that it cannot survive to reproduce. If it survives and passes on the mutation, and if either the mutation gives some sort of advantage OR becomes fixed in the population by some other means (such as if the population is split from the main population and is founded by only a few with the mutation so it's the only option) then you can get a new species as more and more mutations build up.

Nicely written, you stated a good argument.

[Mechanical-Paranoia]

The egg could not have been laid and hatched without there already being a Hen and a Rooster. The Chicken came before the Egg.

[smoochio]

The egg could not have been laid and hatched without there already being a Hen and a Rooster. The Chicken came before the Egg.

We've already gone over that. The creature that previously lays the egg takes care of the egg.