operation p.a.w. ;; don't let the howls stop

[Suicune.]

I don't think my name went up in members

[Onew~]

I don't think my name went up in members

they probably haven't been online. plus thats a big list, they aren't a robot :P

[[ Tabbi ]]

so, Eagle's Flight, you're okay with this...




but not a humane death with an animal who was allowed a natural life?

wolves, cougars, bears kill animals in the wild -- why can't humans?

hunted animals have healthier, better meat than most farm raised animals. you know where it came from(unlike a random mysterious package at the store), (in most cases) harvested it yourself, etc.?

have you visited or done extensive research on the animal products you buy such as meat, eggs, milk?? for all you know, you could be supporting and giving money to animal cruelty.

i truthfully, HONESTLY have no idea why you think "hunting is bad, but farming is fine". it makes no sense.

Okay, I am NOT okay with that!
That is obviously an inhumane farm, and if it is legal now, I don't think it should be! I havn't done reserarch of any sorts, and I DON'T WANT TO. I just find it mean to kill animals that live a rightful life in the wild, such as wolves and bears. Now, I never brought hunting animals for MEAT into this. I will eat deer, my dad goes hunting like twice a year.

But, hunting animals such as wolves and bears and cougars is NOT right! Do we NEED their pelts or organs?? NO> They should live a rightful life in their forest.

Now listen, I am NOT, N-O-T, NOT going to argue about this any more. You can try, and try, and try a little more, but you guys will never convince me to avtually LIKE the hunting of wild animals!!!

[Lupen]

Ok fine, but that doesnt excuse the fact you're being hypocritical. And ALL industrial farms are like that.

[Onew~]

Ok fine, but that doesnt excuse the fact you're being hypocritical. And ALL industrial farms are like that.

yep, Lupen is right. unless it's a ranch/family farm/etc., there's a pretty big chance that their animals live like that.

also, we don't NEED meat either. we can live perfectly fine without it, there are other foods at provide the nutrition that meat does. it's practically a luxury, in the way fur, organs, and bones are.

by the way, uhm, you need to calm down a bit. we're not trying to convert your opinion to like hunting. we're spreading our opinions, asking questions, etc. (which is debating)

while opinions CAN change in debating when you learn information on the subject and see the other side of the story, no one TRIES to change your opinion.

[[ Tabbi ]]

I don't see myself as hypocritical.... Of course, I don't know what that means... {{That's what you get from a person my age...}}

Well, Lupen, in that case I don't like industrial farms... I think it'd be better for the country {{America, for me}}, and everyone if every farm was more like a ranch or family farm! It be better that way. For the economy too. A piece of land to graze, and a little machine to kill the animal real quick. Far less expencive then all those special 'vitamines' and cages and machines! And yes! Meat is a luxary! But, not quite the way fur or organs are. Meat, although not completly needed, is still a food, whereas fur and organs are not needed for humans in any way. Except for edgecation, but that's not quite as important.

And, yes... I'm relizing hat.... Hat?? I'm relizing that... But, still, you don't need to hound me with your oppinions!! LOL, I'm kidding. And yes, my oppinion could change. But, I don't want my oppinion to change, and it won't.

[starfred24]

I'm just saying this:
No one in my family hunts
I am vegetarian
I don't have leather sofas
I use something that is like soap, but not
I only do painting a school
I now understand that hunting can sometimes be good for the environment but I'm still against poaching & the hunting of endangered animals.

[Onew~]

I don't see myself as hypocritical.... Of course, I don't know what that means... {{That's what you get from a person my age...}}

Well, Lupen, in that case I don't like industrial farms... I think it'd be better for the country {{America, for me}}, and everyone if every farm was more like a ranch or family farm! It be better that way. For the economy too. A piece of land to graze, and a little machine to kill the animal real quick. Far less expencive then all those special 'vitamines' and cages and machines! And yes! Meat is a luxary! But, not quite the way fur or organs are. Meat, although not completly needed, is still a food, whereas fur and organs are not needed for humans in any way. Except for edgecation, but that's not quite as important.

And, yes... I'm relizing hat.... Hat?? I'm relizing that... But, still, you don't need to hound me with your oppinions!! LOL, I'm kidding. And yes, my oppinion could change. But, I don't want my oppinion to change, and it won't.

they have those farms because they have so little space to feed the obnoxious, greasy, meat-obsessed citizens that are americans.

if EVERYTHING was a nice, spacey ranch, meat prices would skyrocket. meat would be a rare occurrence because those ranches can only hold so many animals and still be humane.

to populate america with meat, these horrible factory farms have to exist so meat can be produced quickly in a small area and in large amounts.

and they don't feed "vitamines(or vitamins)" to those farm animals. many of them are fed antibiotics and chemicals 24/7 just to survive. antibiotics are rarely used and only used when an animal is sick.

I'm just saying this:
No one in my family hunts
I am vegetarian
I don't have leather sofas
I use something that is like soap, but not
I only do painting a school
I now understand that hunting can sometimes be good for the environment but I'm still against poaching & the hunting of endangered animals.

hunting of endangered animals is illegal, therefore poaching, too. but, yeah. pretty sure NO ONE here supports poaching, so

[van]

pretty much exactly what starfred said
[except like onew pointed out hunting endangered animals is poaching not hunting]
you can be against hunting all you want, but you have to realize that it actually helps the animals themselves and without hunting, they'd be the ones suffering. also just because you think hunting is wrong doesn't make it wrong, an opinion is an opinion and not a fact just saying [not directed at anyone in specific] uwu
some people also do need fur for warmth, religious reasons, etc.
it's just about as much of a 'luxury' as meat is. very few people truly need meat to survive, and the same goes for fur. i don't see a difference.

[starfred24]

I don't see myself as hypocritical.... Of course, I don't know what that means... {{That's what you get from a person my age...}}

Well, Lupen, in that case I don't like industrial farms... I think it'd be better for the country {{America, for me}}, and everyone if every farm was more like a ranch or family farm! It be better that way. For the economy too. A piece of land to graze, and a little machine to kill the animal real quick. Far less expencive then all those special 'vitamines' and cages and machines! And yes! Meat is a luxary! But, not quite the way fur or organs are. Meat, although not completly needed, is still a food, whereas fur and organs are not needed for humans in any way. Except for edgecation, but that's not quite as important.

And, yes... I'm relizing hat.... Hat?? I'm relizing that... But, still, you don't need to hound me with your oppinions!! LOL, I'm kidding. And yes, my oppinion could change. But, I don't want my oppinion to change, and it won't.

they have those farms because they have so little space to feed the obnoxious, greasy, meat-obsessed citizens that are americans.

if EVERYTHING was a nice, spacey ranch, meat prices would skyrocket. meat would be a rare occurrence because those ranches can only hold so many animals and still be humane.

to populate america with meat, these horrible factory farms have to exist so meat can be produced quickly in a small area and in large amounts.

and they don't feed "vitamines(or vitamins)" to those farm animals. many of them are fed antibiotics and chemicals 24/7 just to survive. antibiotics are rarely used and only used when an animal is sick.

I'm just saying this:
No one in my family hunts
I am vegetarian
I don't have leather sofas
I use something that is like soap, but not
I only do painting a school
I now understand that hunting can sometimes be good for the environment but I'm still against poaching & the hunting of endangered animals.

hunting of endangered animals is illegal, therefore poaching, too. but, yeah. pretty sure NO ONE here supports poaching, so

It better be illegal