Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Debate

[dragonsapphic]

But if it was 'Which came first the Chicken or the Chicken egg' then Chicken would be the answer,because,in the end,egg could mean any egg.

That depends. Is a "chicken egg" an egg that contains a chicken, or an egg that was laid by a chicken?

[Draikinator]

But if it was 'Which came first the Chicken or the Chicken egg' then Chicken would be the answer,because,in the end,egg could mean any egg.

That depends. Is a "chicken egg" an egg that contains a chicken, or an egg that was laid by a chicken?

An egg containing a chicken.

A peregrine and a merlin falcon mate. The offspring is refferred to as a perlin by falconers (much like aliger is a tiger/lion cross) and the egg it comes from is a perlin egg. While it may be laid by a peregrine falcon or a merlin falcon, that does not change what emerges from the egg.

[smoochio]

Which came first the chocolate egg or colored chick?

[Jimmy Neutron]

Which came first the chocolate egg or colored chick?

both i adopted them at the same time
lol
# chickensmoothie talk

[knight of time]

Neither, as chickens came from dinosaurs, but then arises the question, what came first, the dinosaur or the egg? then you can trace it back to bacteria, which was theoretically a result of a chemical reaction, which was the result of carbon combining with several other elements, which was a result of, theoretically, meteors hitting our primitive planet. You can trace this all the way back to the making of the universe. So therefore, whatever created the universe came first, theoretically.

[smoochio]

Neither, as chickens came from dinosaurs, but then arises the question, what came first, the dinosaur or the egg? then you can trace it back to bacteria, which was theoretically a result of a chemical reaction, which was the result of carbon combining with several other elements, which was a result of, theoretically, meteors hitting our primitive planet. You can trace this all the way back to the making of the universe. So therefore, whatever created the universe came first, theoretically.

We're talking specifically about the chicken, not what it's ancestors came from. But yes everything you said in and evolution point of view makes sense, but then that'd just be talking about everything coming about in general. Where does the chicken come from? A chicken can only form in an egg, whatever comes out of that egg, be it the proto chicken, or chicken itself; it would still come from an egg.

[Jimmy Neutron]

Haven't bumped this in a few days so here it goes
Bump!
And thank you all for voting and sharing your opinion

[BassNectar]

The hen came first. Chicken eggs have a protein in them that only hens can make, so therefore, the chicken came first.

[smoochio]

The hen came first. Chicken eggs have a protein in them that only hens can make, so therefore, the chicken came first.

If a chicken can only come from a egg the egg comes first x3 the earlier hens could have developed said protein and then that gets included into their egg making process which creates a new strand, A.K.A a chicken. So the egg

[עורב לבן]

The hen came first. Chicken eggs have a protein in them that only hens can make, so therefore, the chicken came first.

If a chicken can only come from a egg the egg comes first x3 the earlier hens could have developed said protein and then that gets included into their egg making process which creates a new strand, A.K.A a chicken. So the egg

It's not about the protein (well, not initially), but the mutation. The mutation (usually) happens in the germline cells. Mutations in these cells (not the other set of cells, called 'somatic cells') are passed onto the offspring. The mutation happens in DNA, which then gets transcribed into RNA, and then THAT gets translated into the proteins. A mutation in DNA does not automatically change the protein, either. A single nucleotide change does not necessarily mean a change in the protein, either. Amino acids (the things that make up proteins) have synonyms. The DNA nucleotides AAA and AAG BOTH make the same amino acid (Lysine). It's sort of like different spellings of the same word (color vs colour). Both mean the same thing, they are just spelled a little differently. The exact same protein is made, though.

The mutation (if it actually changes the protein), therefore, starts in the hen. If the mutated cell line does not end up in a fertilized egg, however, there is no change in the next generation. So the phenotypic (what you can see or measure as being a chicken) chicken came from the egg that just happened to develop from the mutated germline of the mother. It's complicated, so chocolate chip cookies if you followed me this far.

Then the mutation has to at least not affect the new chick so badly that it cannot survive to reproduce. If it survives and passes on the mutation, and if either the mutation gives some sort of advantage OR becomes fixed in the population by some other means (such as if the population is split from the main population and is founded by only a few with the mutation so it's the only option) then you can get a new species as more and more mutations build up.