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Re: "The" Rares List Guide [READ ALL RULES]

Postby Lake Petal » Sat Mar 30, 2013 4:28 pm

Fat Unicorn wrote:
Oichi Ikuze wrote:COuld the equimagnes on the list change, since the whole transformation project?


All of the equimages images are changing, but it's too early to tell if they'll move up or down on the list due to increased demand. :)


Hey Fat? Can you see if Hekomi can move the "The list already takes in Demand" and either make it larger or somewhere more noticeable? Many people in the FTT have argued against what I have been saying because of "Demand" and when I tell them the list already takes it in they go "Oh sorry I didnt see that"
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Re: "The" Rares List Guide [READ ALL RULES]

Postby Snowytoshi » Sun Mar 31, 2013 12:52 am

Petal on a lake wrote:
Fat Unicorn wrote:
Oichi Ikuze wrote:COuld the equimagnes on the list change, since the whole transformation project?


All of the equimages images are changing, but it's too early to tell if they'll move up or down on the list due to increased demand. :)


Hey Fat? Can you see if Hekomi can move the "The list already takes in Demand" and either make it larger or somewhere more noticeable? Many people in the FTT have argued against what I have been saying because of "Demand" and when I tell them the list already takes it in they go "Oh sorry I didnt see that"


I would disagree. There are many pets (especially the rats) that are tradeable for much less then they should be according to the list.
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Re: "The" Rares List Guide [READ ALL RULES]

Postby Aperture » Sun Mar 31, 2013 1:08 am

To the post above me:
No, that is absolutely not true.Petal on a lake is right.
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Re: "The" Rares List Guide [READ ALL RULES]

Postby salmondragon » Sun Mar 31, 2013 1:12 am

Fat Unicorn wrote:
Oichi Ikuze wrote:COuld the equimagnes on the list change, since the whole transformation project?


All of the equimages images are changing, but it's too early to tell if they'll move up or down on the list due to increased demand. :)[/qu

Hey Fat? Can you see if Hekomi can move the "The list already takes in Demand" and either make it larger or somewhere more noticeable? Many people in the FTT have argued against what I have been saying because of "Demand" and when I tell them the list already takes it in they go "Oh sorry I didnt see that"


I really nay knew that the list took in demand until...probably about the second or so month I found out abut the rares list. X3 but that was quite close to when I joined luckily :D. But making it bigger would be better for those who missed that, so they don't overpay for pets that have 'major demand'.

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Fat Unicorn wrote:
Oichi Ikuze wrote:COuld the equimagnes on the list change, since the whole transformation project?


All of the equimages images are changing, but it's too early to tell if they'll move up or down on the list due to increased demand. :)


Hey Fat? Can you see if Hekomi can move the "The list already takes in Demand" and either make it larger or somewhere more noticeable? Many people in the FTT have argued against what I have been saying because of "Demand" and when I tell them the list already takes it in they go "Oh sorry I didnt see that"


I would disagree. There are many pets (especially the rats) that are tradeable for much less then they should be according to the list.[/quote]

I don't think that's true, I know many people who hoard rats. Rats have fairly good. Demand in my view, while they can be hard to trade off, they have the same ish demand as bunnies from what I've seen.

I respect your opinion, but I disagree with it, while they can be traded for much less, it's unfair to the user being sent the underpay trade for the rat, if you ask me, the rares list is pretty accurate. ^^
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Re: "The" Rares List Guide [READ ALL RULES]

Postby nickjr » Sun Mar 31, 2013 1:20 am

I suggested something similar here viewtopic.php?f=20&t=112366&p=49249765&hilit=Rares+list+Guide+Demand#p49249765
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Re: "The" Rares List Guide [READ ALL RULES]

Postby Kevinsaurus » Sun Mar 31, 2013 1:23 am

Oichi Ikuze wrote:COuld the equimagnes on the list change, since the whole transformation project?

Fat Unicorn wrote:All of the equimages images are changing, but it's too early to tell if they'll move up or down on the list due to increased demand. :)


To add onto that, it should be noted that movement on the rares lists generally doesn't occur for quite a while after changes have been made. This is true of the UR pets, for example, which aren't placed for a period of time after the re-releases. It takes time for the trading and market of pets to stabilize, and ultimately, the longer there is and the more trades and times available, the better and more accurate the trading information for such pets can be. The same is with the equis. Some of the equis may increase in demand, some may decrease, and others may stay roughly the same. This doesn't, however, affect the rarity of the pets. The list is structured as a combination of both rarity and demand, so to add onto what FatU said, there is a possibility the placement of those specific pets may change, it just depends on exactly how much the demand plays into the general trading value and stability. (The same could be said of any other listed pet).

Petal on a lake wrote:Hey Fat? Can you see if Hekomi can move the "The list already takes in Demand" and either make it larger or somewhere more noticeable? Many people in the FTT have argued against what I have been saying because of "Demand" and when I tell them the list already takes it in they go "Oh sorry I didnt see that"


One thing I'd advise to keep in mind is the demand factor incorporated into the list. Demand is a very complex measure of how much people want or are trying to trade for certain pets. While the list was designed to include demand, players have naturally added on additional demand to the listed values. This list is not necessarily a strict, exact way to trade, it simply provides a good basis and guideline to go off of that is reliable. Demand is constantly changing, and considering that the list is only updated once in a while, it is very possible (and possibly very likely) that trading values may be fluctuating with some variation from what is stated exactly on the list. Nevertheless, that bit of information you mention is rather important and if there was some way to emphasize it, it would be helpful, although I'm not sure if there's a really effective way to do so.

Snowytoshi wrote:I would disagree. There are many pets (especially the rats) that are tradeable for much less then they should be according to the list.


With regards to the rats, they are rather tradeable. There's a good number of players whom are looking to trade for the rats for various reasons. Sure, some players may not like them because of their designs or the fact that they are rats, but they are still quite rare (if you just try to search for these rats, you'll find out that they're actually very difficult to find or to trade for), and as far as I've seen in the past month or two or so around the trading market, the rats are becoming more and more tradeable for their list value. This is to say, pets can always be traded for above or below their listed value (again, the list is simply a guideline), but any listed pet is always tradeable for its list value, it's a matter of sticking with it and trading it for its full value.

Just thought I'd address these points to emphasize them or point out specific things related to them to hopefully clear some things up for people.
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Re: "The" Rares List Guide [READ ALL RULES]

Postby Snowytoshi » Sun Mar 31, 2013 2:26 am

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Fat Unicorn wrote:
Oichi Ikuze wrote:COuld the equimagnes on the list change, since the whole transformation project?


All of the equimages images are changing, but it's too early to tell if they'll move up or down on the list due to increased demand. :)


Hey Fat? Can you see if Hekomi can move the "The list already takes in Demand" and either make it larger or somewhere more noticeable? Many people in the FTT have argued against what I have been saying because of "Demand" and when I tell them the list already takes it in they go "Oh sorry I didnt see that"


I would disagree. There are many pets (especially the rats) that are tradeable for much less then they should be according to the list.[/quote]

I don't think that's true, I know many people who hoard rats. Rats have fairly good. Demand in my view, while they can be hard to trade off, they have the same ish demand as bunnies from what I've seen.

I respect your opinion, but I disagree with it, while they can be traded for much less, it's unfair to the user being sent the underpay trade for the rat, if you ask me, the rares list is pretty accurate. ^^[/quote]

But if the vast majority of Chicken Smoothie users will not trade properly for the rats, then the list is incorrect. Everyday I see posts on the Trade Rant talking about the difficulty of trading off the less in demand pets. I have been trying to trade off my Grinner for some time now and no one will accept any trade even ones that are considered overpay by the list. I have many examples of that, but I'm just going to post this one for now. I sent that trade to someone who has been on here awhile and has knowledge of the list and ironically agrues that the list considers demand, thier message?

I am sorry but I have owned a pink grinner before. In my perspective It was so hard to trade up. I am sorry.


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Re: "The" Rares List Guide [READ ALL RULES]

Postby Pi. » Sun Mar 31, 2013 2:45 am

^^ It wasn't the demand. I just said it was hard to trade up, meaning that it would take awhile to find the right person. The rares list does factor in demand, and I believe in that.
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Re: "The" Rares List Guide [READ ALL RULES]

Postby Kevinsaurus » Sun Mar 31, 2013 3:10 am

Snowytoshi wrote:But if the vast majority of Chicken Smoothie users will not trade properly for the rats, then the list is incorrect. Everyday I see posts on the Trade Rant talking about the difficulty of trading off the less in demand pets. I have been trying to trade off my Grinner for some time now and no one will accept any trade even ones that are considered overpay by the list. I have many examples of that, but I'm just going to post this one for now. I sent that trade to someone who has been on here awhile and has knowledge of the list and ironically agrues that the list considers demand, thier message?

I am sorry but I have owned a pink grinner before. In my perspective It was so hard to trade up. I am sorry.


And I was willing to add more.

That does not make the list incorrect. You have to keep in mind the list accounts for both rarity and demand. Demand can play a factor, but that doesn't mean that the demand accounts for the majority of the placement. As I previously said, the rats are very rare and there are honestly that all too many that you can find easily to trade for on the site, especially several of the september / main list rats. Their placement reflects a combination of rarity and demand. Their rarity speaks for itself if you try to trade for them and such. Just because some people do not like paying that much for rats doesn't mean their placement on the list is incorrect. It simply means that some people just don't want to pay that much for rats, despite the fact that truly are worth that much.
And like I said above, anything can be traded away or traded for for a good value. I've traded practically every pet on the site before, and I've managed to get full values for all of them. The same goes for pets with trading away pets with low demand. I've been able to trade away all types of pets that are considered to have bad demand for full value, including the tess horses, zebras, fruit, grinners (their demand is actually rather good in general, the whole "grinners have bad demand" thing is somewhat of a myth), and all the speckled rats and september rats. It's a matter of how you go about trading in order to get this to work out, but that's for another discussion elsewhere.
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Re: "The" Rares List Guide [READ ALL RULES]

Postby Cats,Love&Chocolate » Sun Mar 31, 2013 4:16 am

I just have a question, if the gap really is that large on the Mainlist, then why isn't separated into two lists (July and August)?

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