Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Debate

[brandish]

I was just stating some animals lol. Like, I was going to state each animal that I believe God created. That would take a very long time.

And I guess I'll be the girl to change the scientific world c:

This has been tried numerous, numerous times. Every single time results in the person in question being laughed out of any respectable facility. After that happens, it'll be pretty much impossible to get a job at any sort of science based zoology job, if they have heard about that.

Just figured I'd warn you before you spend the money on pursuing a zoology major and then not being able to do anything with it. (Though I can't imagine someone getting through that program and still being a creationist in the first place.) My zoology 101 class had like a 3 week section on evolution and natural selection/etc.

I don't need a warning. That is what I'm going to to do and I don't need someone telling me I can't. I do believe in evolution, but I believe that God made "base" animals first and gave us all the ability to adapt and change...and just evolve.

You deny stone cold evidence? I think you're likely to have trouble pursuing a career in science if you don't accept what we base our theories on. But then it's a Christian thing to believe humans are superior to all other organisms and that they're special in that they were 'created' and didn't evolve like every other animal. I guess it's a belief and I can grant people something as simple as that. It just seems a bit odd to insist something is correct despite a complete and utter lack of evidence and deny something else is correct when there is plentiful.
How do you explain neanderthal skeletons and the fact that their DNA is similar to both humans and apes, then? Do you just dismiss them as fake? I don't get how you can just say evidence like that doesn't prove we evolved.

Okay one, I do not think humans are superior to ANYTHING. To me everything that has life is equal. And like I said above, I believe in evolution and that alot of animals were evolutionized into what we have today. That God created the first animals and then they developed over time. I don't think you understand. I don't need proof to believe in what I do. Never needed it. It's just pure instinct to me on what is real and what is not. Also a human has mated with apes before, and God could have created a creature simalar to both the human and the ape. However, if we did decend from apes then...God put those apes there. No matter what I know that God created the first life. You can call me naive, or ignorant, but no matter what you say it is not ever going to change my faith. So you might as well stop wasting your energy.

[Jimmy Neutron]

Do evolutionists have any proof that evolution is true? Show me real, solid, proof, not just a drawing or a theory. I might believe you then.

Well monkeys at the moment are evolving they're learning to hold their breth under water for a few minutes and if you can't see that as evolution you'll never get your answer
And must I say there is no proof of either, unless of coarse someone found real hard evidence evolution and religion have their theory's .....

[mk4391]

Do evolutionists have any proof that evolution is true? Show me real, solid, proof, not just a drawing or a theory. I might believe you then.

Well monkeys at the moment are evolving they're learning to hold their breth under water for a few minutes and if you can't see that as evolution you'll never get your answer
And must I say there is no proof of either, unless of coarse someone found real hard evidence evolution and religion have their theory's .....

Are the monkeys discovering how to hold their breath or being taught? That is not evolution they just learned something new no part of them changed or became better.

[dragonsapphic]

However now I'm not so sure any of them came from them because bacteria is made up of prokaryotic cells which have no nucleus.

Bacteria are prokaryotic cells; cells cannot be made up of cells.

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Going to explain my outlook here about what the theory of evolution is and why it is applied here.

Evolution is considered one of the most provable theories in science today. Even if you don't believe evolution sparked the first life, it is almost undeniable when seeing working now. Why do we need a flu shot every year? Influenza, the virus responsible for the flu, evolves into a new strain; we have to create a new vaccine. There are even multiple strains of influenza every year, like the H1N1 outbreak. The strains evolve differently, similar to the animals on the Galapagos Islands during Charles Darwin's observations. HIV is another example; the virus has no viable vaccine or cure because it evolves extremely quickly.

Another example of evolution is wisdom teeth. A long time ago, wisdom teeth were necessary to chew tougher foods, but now we cook it. Less people are actually developing wisdom teeth as time goes on, meaning they are likely evolving out as we no longer need them.

A theory related to evolution is called abiogenesis. This is commonly identified by the term "primordial soup," which is an idea of abiogenesis (living organisms coming from non-living matter). All of the elements of life, particularly our friend Carbon, are also found in stars, which form hunks of rock and dust (like the Earth) after having a supernova. These elements were still there. Over time, gravity allows planets to grow in size as they heat and gather debris while spinning rapidly. Our planet happened to be perfect for harvesting life. It has a good temperature, is able to sustain an atmosphere, has liquid water, etc.

Robert Shapiro, a well-known biochemist, summarized what might have happened during the "primordial soup."
"-The early Earth had a chemically reducing atmosphere.
-This atmosphere, exposed to energy in various forms, produced simple organic compounds ("monomers").
-These compounds accumulated in a "soup", which may have been concentrated at various locations (shorelines, oceanic vents etc.).
-By further transformation, more complex organic polymers – and ultimately life – developed in the soup."

This image is from an experiment called the Miller-Urey Experiment attempting to replicate this theoretical phenomenon.


Organisms evolve to adapt to their environment. Organisms with favorable qualities allow them to survive and breed to pass on those qualities. Even a slight advantage makes an important different. Organisms with qualities not up to par die off, leaving the superior ones to breed.

The egg came first. Egg-laying animals came before the chicken, and the chicken's ancestors that lay the egg which contains the slight mutation for the genetic code of the organism we would consider a chicken.

[De Valence]

Even though I voted chicken, it can be seen both ways. If you vote egg- How would there come to be a chicken if there was no egg. If you vote chicken- How could there be an egg if there was no chicken.

[ToxicWolf101]

but seriously wouldn't it be both?

plus this is pretty interesting to read

[dragonsapphic]

Even though I voted chicken, it can be seen both ways. If you vote egg- How would there come to be a chicken if there was no egg. If you vote chicken- How could there be an egg if there was no chicken.

That depends on your beliefs. I support the theory of evolution, so I believe two ancestors of the chicken had an egg with a slight mutation causing it to be what we would consider a "chicken," meaning the egg came first.

[smoochio]

Even though I voted chicken, it can be seen both ways. If you vote egg- How would there come to be a chicken if there was no egg. If you vote chicken- How could there be an egg if there was no chicken.

That depends on your beliefs. I support the theory of evolution, so I believe two ancestors of the chicken had an egg with a slight mutation causing it to be what we would consider a "chicken," meaning the egg came first.

Agree. With evolution it's the mutation that begins to make separate species of living things. As long as that trait is passed on of course...if the chicken came first, that would be saying the chicken was automatically put here and didn't evolve for millions of years..

[ToxicWolf101]

Even though I voted chicken, it can be seen both ways. If you vote egg- How would there come to be a chicken if there was no egg. If you vote chicken- How could there be an egg if there was no chicken.

That depends on your beliefs. I support the theory of evolution, so I believe two ancestors of the chicken had an egg with a slight mutation causing it to be what we would consider a "chicken," meaning the egg came first.

Agree. With evolution it's the mutation that begins to make separate species of living things. As long as that trait is passed on of course...if the chicken came first, that would be saying the chicken was automatically put here and didn't evolve for millions of years..

you guys have completely changed the subject....

[Demon Lover]

The egg came first. Dinasourse. Evolution.