Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Debate

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What do you think came first the chicken or the egg?

Poll ended at Wed Sep 09, 2015 12:18 am

The chicken
83
36%
The egg
108
47%
Both
10
4%
Neither
28
12%
 
Total votes : 229

Re: Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Debate

Postby Grimace » Fri Mar 22, 2013 12:02 pm

Phantasmix wrote:
Grimace wrote:I'm not even sure what your stance is here. You're saying you know animals came from bacteria, but then say that god created all animals as is. Its fine if you want to say god created the very first life and it evolved into what we have today. Thats reasonable, and doesn't entirely go against literally everything in the scientific field.

Speaking as a zoology major myself, you are going to have serious trouble getting anywhere in the field if you don't understand how evolution works and why it is a thing.
Especially if you are insisting domesticated animals didn't come from wild counterparts and saying evolution is fake because humans didnt come from "monkeys"

Belief doesn't make something true, especially if it goes against literally all the facts. I could say gravity isn't real, and i know that because i believe the earth is hollow and we are held to it because cthulhu is making black holes to keep us in place, and that has the exact same level of proof as creationism does.



Alright, I know, how evolution works. And I said alot of animals probably came from bacteria. Not all of them. However now I'm not so sure any of them came from them because bacteria is made up of prokaryotic cells which have no nucleus. And we are all made up of eukaryotic cells that have nucleus. And I just don't think prokaryotic cells can just produce eukaryotic cells. I havn't gotten that far in Biology so I don't really know but it doesn't make sense to me. And yes I'm saying God created the very first life. I'm saying he created the humans, the wolves, the bears, the dinasaurs, the birds. And I'm saying that they probably DID evolutionize to adapt to their habitat. However not the humans. I believe that we stayed the same from day 1 except in our way of thinking. So no I do not think humans came from monkeys or apes someone said. And I never will believe that, because to me that is just a bunch of bull.

I never said belief made it true either. I know the definition of belief and I'm saying that is what us Christians believe. That God created the Chicken either by sticking it here on the Earth or giving us the ability to make the Chicken. I don't need proof or anything because it is just what I believe and nothing is going to change that. End of story.


...Why do you think god made wolves bears, birds and dinosaurs, but everything else evolved? That makes literally no sense, even from a creationist standpoint.

Also heres a tip if you are serious about getting into zoology. Never mention your view on this around anyone in the field. It'll completely discredit any knowledge you have on other related things, and will make it almost impossible with you to get anywhere significant in the field.
Thats just how the scientific world works.
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Re: Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Debate

Postby brandish » Fri Mar 22, 2013 12:09 pm

Grimace wrote:
Phantasmix wrote:
Grimace wrote:I'm not even sure what your stance is here. You're saying you know animals came from bacteria, but then say that god created all animals as is. Its fine if you want to say god created the very first life and it evolved into what we have today. Thats reasonable, and doesn't entirely go against literally everything in the scientific field.

Speaking as a zoology major myself, you are going to have serious trouble getting anywhere in the field if you don't understand how evolution works and why it is a thing.
Especially if you are insisting domesticated animals didn't come from wild counterparts and saying evolution is fake because humans didnt come from "monkeys"

Belief doesn't make something true, especially if it goes against literally all the facts. I could say gravity isn't real, and i know that because i believe the earth is hollow and we are held to it because cthulhu is making black holes to keep us in place, and that has the exact same level of proof as creationism does.



Alright, I know, how evolution works. And I said alot of animals probably came from bacteria. Not all of them. However now I'm not so sure any of them came from them because bacteria is made up of prokaryotic cells which have no nucleus. And we are all made up of eukaryotic cells that have nucleus. And I just don't think prokaryotic cells can just produce eukaryotic cells. I havn't gotten that far in Biology so I don't really know but it doesn't make sense to me. And yes I'm saying God created the very first life. I'm saying he created the humans, the wolves, the bears, the dinasaurs, the birds. And I'm saying that they probably DID evolutionize to adapt to their habitat. However not the humans. I believe that we stayed the same from day 1 except in our way of thinking. So no I do not think humans came from monkeys or apes someone said. And I never will believe that, because to me that is just a bunch of bull.

I never said belief made it true either. I know the definition of belief and I'm saying that is what us Christians believe. That God created the Chicken either by sticking it here on the Earth or giving us the ability to make the Chicken. I don't need proof or anything because it is just what I believe and nothing is going to change that. End of story.


...Why do you think god made wolves bears, birds and dinosaurs, but everything else evolved? That makes literally no sense, even from a creationist standpoint.

Also heres a tip if you are serious about getting into zoology. Never mention your view on this around anyone in the field. It'll completely discredit any knowledge you have on other related things, and will make it almost impossible with you to get anywhere significant in the field.
Thats just how the scientific world works.


I was just stating some animals lol. Like, I was going to state each animal that I believe God created. That would take a very long time.

And I guess I'll be the girl to change the scientific world c:
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Re: Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Debate

Postby Minimanta » Fri Mar 22, 2013 12:16 pm

For people on the "chicken team".
Where exactly do you think the chicken came from? The chicken didn't just pop into existense, it came from... An egg.

No matter how you twist and turn this question the answer is and will be the egg came first. Even the first chicken (however you define that) came from an egg =3

It's a very simple question really.
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Re: Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Debate

Postby Obius » Fri Mar 22, 2013 12:23 pm

Ah the chicken or the egg debate. Which btw is actually a less blunt way of saying "do you believe in creationism or evolution?". But to answer the question, I believe BOTH came first. Why? Because I believe in both creationism and evolution. While I am not one to say what is or isn't created, it has been proven that a new species can come into existence lierally overnight! No slow and steady evolution to explain them. But others still change much more gradually.

So yea I believe in both. Cause nothing would live very long if it could not adapt to an ever changing world. Nor would such slow changes explain every living creature's seemingly intangible appearance. And we create stuff all the time as well. So why not God?

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Re: Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Debate

Postby soupalicious » Fri Mar 22, 2013 12:28 pm

Pear wrote:I personally think the chicken came first, because then when it mates with a rooster the egg comes a long. c: Lol, personal oppinion. x)

Actually chickens have eggs whether there's a rooster there or not! Very useful for people who live in town and want chickens but no crowing rooster xD
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Re: Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Debate

Postby mk4391 » Fri Mar 22, 2013 12:44 pm

I think the chicken came first since something would have to warm the egg to make it grow.
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Re: Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Debate

Postby Grimace » Fri Mar 22, 2013 12:46 pm

WASSAP wrote: it has been proven that a new species can come into existence lierally overnight! No slow and steady evolution to explain them.


What are you referring to? Thats not a thing that happens.
Bacteria and etc can change that quickly sometimes, but thats just how normal evolution works when you have something that reproduces that quickly.
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Re: Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Debate

Postby ToxicWolf101 » Fri Mar 22, 2013 1:03 pm

i think they were both created at the same time because isn't a chick technically inside the egg so therfore they were both created

argue all you want i'm still beliving this
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Re: Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Debate

Postby Obius » Fri Mar 22, 2013 1:20 pm

Grimace wrote:
What are you referring to? Thats not a thing that happens.
Bacteria and etc can change that quickly sometimes, but thats just how normal evolution works when you have something that reproduces that quickly.


Oh really? Ever heard of the phrase that "anything that can happen will happen"? Do not assume that creationism does not exist when we human beings already have proven it. We may not have the advanced "3D carbon based printer" needed to create a new species but we have engineered new microbes before. And since scientifically speaking, we are not the first sentient species in the universe, my belief in intelligent creation (as well as the very rare spontaneous creation) of life has and will continue to happen.
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Re: Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Debate

Postby brandish » Fri Mar 22, 2013 1:41 pm

WASSAP wrote:
Grimace wrote:
What are you referring to? Thats not a thing that happens.
Bacteria and etc can change that quickly sometimes, but thats just how normal evolution works when you have something that reproduces that quickly.


Oh really? Ever heard of the phrase that "anything that can happen will happen"? Do not assume that creationism does not exist when we human beings already have proven it. We may not have the advanced "3D carbon based printer" needed to create a new species but we have engineered new microbes before. And since scientifically speaking, we are not the first sentient species in the universe, my belief in intelligent creation (as well as the very rare spontaneous creation) of life has and will continue to happen.


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