Equine Transformation Project - VOTING CLOSED

[Planet Karma]

kay guys, might want to cool it a bit with the aggressive behavior towards the mods. there's no need to be rude to the mods, considering we've been over this same subject like 50 times and everything has literaly already been said and seen by everyone keeping tabs on this topic.
seriously why be rude to someone who has to sift through all of this crap for hours on end. it's possible to be civil about this.

seriously though when is this topic going to be locked, there isn't anything left to say that hasn't been repeated over and over.

No one is being rude with the mods? Merely treating them like another person isn't treating them rudely =/

Actually there are. People keep reposting deleted posts and and are not following the rules, that the mods have to delete.

[Kida]

But she still traced a whole lot of stuff, no one can deny that. Disproving SOME evidence doesn't disprove all of it. Especially the foals.

No one is trying to. However, posting incorrect photographs and claiming they are definitely proof of tracing on those lines is incorrect and borderline dishonest, as it's attempting to pressure people into changing their votes. If you want to vote 'yes' to the change because of the copied foal lines and suspicions about the adult lines, that's fine, but deceiving people into thinking all the lines are known to be definitely traced is not.

Atwood, I'll say again what I said to you earlier.
If she was capable of freehanding some of the linearts, why would she trace the others? Using this simple logic it's easy to see that there's little chance of those linearts being legitimate.

And while you're saying it's wrong to convince people using the overlays you personally aren't convinced by, I personally think it's wrong to constantly defend her obvious theft. You're a moderator. You're supposed to be against art theft and things that break cs's rules.

I question the morality of a site that 'hires' mod(s) who turn a blind eye to obvious theft, and go so far as to convince others that the images aren't stolen.

Agreed. It doesn't make any sense that only a handful of her linearts would be traced, while all the others were ~just fine~. They are all at least under the category of heavily referenced, and that's still against CS's art rules if it comes with no credit given.

Also, to answer the question of why wasn't it brought up before: There's no point in trying to do something when the site staff just covers up anything about the subject. But now there's a possibility of it being changed by the staff themselves, which makes the whole art theft issue relevant.

[maggie~]

Atwood, I'll say again what I said to you earlier.
If she was capable of freehanding some of the linearts, why would she trace the others? Using this simple logic it's easy to see that there's little chance of those linearts being legitimate.

And while you're saying it's wrong to convince people using the overlays you personally aren't convinced by, I personally think it's wrong to constantly defend her obvious theft. You're a moderator. You're supposed to be against art theft and things that break cs's rules.

I question the morality of a site that 'hires' mod(s) who turn a blind eye to obvious theft, and go so far as to convince others that the images aren't stolen.

Atwood does have a point, Calix. Though the images might look similar in many ways, there's no way to know for sure. We can't blame Equi for disrespecting the law if there isn't 100% proof.
Also, it's not too hard to find a horse in a certain position. Heck, just look up "horse standing" on Google Images and I'm sure you can find plenty of images that match up to Equi's horses {just a tad bit, maybe in the legs or head, etc.}. This is because it's a natural horse stance. For example, many horses lay down in the same position that Equimagine's laying down PPS did. This is true for other linearts.
I'm not saying that Equi didn't copy lines, I'm just saying you can't assume that she copied a certain picture just because they look a tad bit similar.
And I suggest not to disrespect Atwood. She's a moderator and she was chosen as one because she understands the site well. And I think she has a good point.

[dontdrinkthepoison]

^ The pony and horse used as the 'traced' photographs in that are almost certainly wrong, by the way. :roll: If there were photographs traced for those lines, those photographs are not them. It's blatantly obvious with the pony, which doesn't match up on even a single line with the 'traced' lineart. >.> I've seen several other photographs claimed as the 'traced' ones for those same lines, some of which were even a better match (if you cut the legs off, rotate and resize various bits, etc.). The one image that has the lineart actually lined up with the photo had the horse lineart edited to make it fit and then faded out almost to oblivion to hide all the spots where it still didn't match up.

But she still traced a whole lot of stuff, no one can deny that. Disproving SOME evidence doesn't disprove all of it. Especially the foals.

No one is trying to. However, posting incorrect photographs and claiming they are definitely proof of tracing on those lines is incorrect and borderline dishonest, as it's attempting to pressure people into changing their votes. If you want to vote 'yes' to the change because of the copied foal lines and suspicions about the adult lines, that's fine, but deceiving people into thinking all the lines are known to be definitely traced is not.

I don't want to speak for Atwood but I would like to point out that Atwood made this statement and is FOR the change.. at least I think I remember that.

Could have easily pushed the art theft issue just to influence voters to yes.. but instead attempted to get just facts out and let others decide. I, for one, appreciate that..

[hiatus.]

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Atwood, I'll say again what I said to you earlier.
If she was capable of freehanding some of the linearts, why would she trace the others? Using this simple logic it's easy to see that there's little chance of those linearts being legitimate.

And while you're saying it's wrong to convince people using the overlays you personally aren't convinced by, I personally think it's wrong to constantly defend her obvious theft. You're a moderator. You're supposed to be against art theft and things that break cs's rules.

I question the morality of a site that 'hires' mod(s) who turn a blind eye to obvious theft, and go so far as to convince others that the images aren't stolen.

I've never said there wasn't tracing/referencing/freehanding/what-have-you of any of the lines, only that those particular photos are almost certainly not correct and were very likely not traced. If people are using that as their basis for deciding (as opposed to the foal lines), they are being misinformed. Part of being a mod is also making decisions on whether something was copied or not. If any member was accused of art theft based on those adult overlays, I would not accept that as reasonable evidence because there are many other photos equally similar.

then /why/ was eqi forced to retire? and why was it hushed up so much?
you should never defend someone who could have been an art theft, regardless of whether they did it or not. even tess agrees about it, to an extent.

[DarkSummerShimmer]

Here is what i think we should do. We should ask Equine to redraw her horses, that way they get changed a little bit but its still from the same artist and not get changed completely and have her patterns taken and put on someone eles horse and she not get any of the credit.... thats what i think would work a little better...

[odin]

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I DO NOT WANT THIS BEAUTY TO BE A YULYNH HORSE!!!!!!!!!! WHY????????

THIS IS MY DEAUTIFUL PPS HORSE WHICH I AM GONNA LOSE FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!

We have noticed that it seems like the main concerns so far are about a few favorite pets like the PPS PONIES and the rainbow mane changing. If the opinion remains divided then we may re-vote with new conditions such as keeping the PPS ponies and have special line edits for things like the rainbow mane horse so that it still looks good on the new lines.

That's a PPS HORSE. I do think there should be new PPS horse lines like this one, a bucking foal. Those are very unique PPS pets, and I think they are cute bucking. ^^"

[Pi.]

Here is what i think we should do. We should ask Equine to redraw her horses, that way they get changed a little bit but its still from the same artist and not get changed completely and have her patterns taken and put on someone eles horse and she not get any of the credit.... thats what i think would work a little better...

May I just say Equine isn't here anymore. Her account was deleted.

[mirage.]

kay guys, might want to cool it a bit with the aggressive behavior towards the mods. there's no need to be rude to the mods, considering we've been over this same subject like 50 times and everything has literaly already been said and seen by everyone keeping tabs on this topic.
seriously why be rude to someone who has to sift through all of this crap for hours on end. it's possible to be civil about this.

seriously though when is this topic going to be locked, there isn't anything left to say that hasn't been repeated over and over.

No one is being rude with the mods? Merely treating them like another person isn't treating them rudely =/

I'm not talking about the people debating with the mods, I'm talking about people making passive agressive remarks about how their post got deleted and generally being really snide.

anyways I dont want to start a fight or anything so sorry ugrh

[gothic knight]

Here is what i think we should do. We should ask Equine to redraw her horses, that way they get changed a little bit but its still from the same artist and not get changed completely and have her patterns taken and put on someone eles horse and she not get any of the credit.... thats what i think would work a little better...

it's been said before that equimagine will get credit for her designs. i wouldn't want lineart from her after she traced the first one. it looks bad and i can't honestly trust it not to be traced again.