Equine Transformation Project - VOTING CLOSED

[odin]

Did yall even read the first post?

*deskflip* Have you not read why people are upset? What I suggested would cut it down from having three different horse and pony lines to two different horse and pony lines. The old ones would be uniform, the new ones would be uniform. IMO, I think it would be a happy medium. The old ones would still be more special because of the different lines.

I think that if they did draw a whole new lineart of a running horse it would cut down a ton on the complaining. From what I have seen pretty much everyone (including myself) that has voted no on the change has voted that way simply because they don't want all the horses uniform and the same, and/or they don't like the Yulynh lines and never have. However if CS could come up with some new lines like you said I think that would be awsome, and may get a lot more people to vote yes^^

Yeah, I wouldn't have a problem, if they still had "special" lines to be able to just look at it and know it's older and thus more valuable (not that horses have much value to begin with). I don't like the idea of the store horse line being used, because it's the exact same as the regular lines, save a few small adjustments. It's basically just the same as the regular horse, and I would not like to see those lines used.

[Fuzzeh]

See, my vote still hasn't changed from No. Am I for art theft? Of course not. Do I think the lines should be removed because of the art theft? Yes. Was that what I was asked about for the poll? No, and that's why my vote isn't changing. Tess did the poll to ask if we wanted them all to look uniform, and I don't. If they're changed I want the equi horses to be in one of the line-art edits. At this point we all know they will be changed no matter what, so I'm actually voting for the question asked. (Which it's perfectly fine if people want to vote yes or no for other reasons, that's just not what I'm doing.)

This. IMO, I think there should be a whole new line drawn for the old horses and ponies, so they still are distinguishable from the newer ones. There should be a "running horse" line made for the old horses, and since what people like most about the older ponies (or from what I've seen, and what I like about them) a pony line similar to that of Equi's and with the mane over the eyes on the ones that have that and for the "newer" Equi ponies, no hair over the eyes. Since that would be an easy edit to make on the lines, longer hair, shorter hair, like the dogs have different ears and tails. My opinion.

I think that if they did draw a whole new lineart of a running horse it would cut down a ton on the complaining. From what I have seen pretty much everyone (including myself) that has voted no on the change has voted that way simply because they don't want all the horses uniform and the same, and/or they don't like the Yulynh lines and never have. However if CS could come up with some new lines like you said I think that would be awsome, and may get a lot more people to vote yes, and people would probably accept the idea a lot better than they are currently.

EDIT: For those of you who keep saying the percentages have not changed in days, they actually have. Not much, but the vote on no yesterday was at 32% and it is now at 34%....

I actually don't agree with a new line-art. It would still be more work and, as someone pointed out, it wouldn't solve the item problem. What I want is to use one of the line-art edits. Like the Welsh for the ponies, the Marwari for the horses (I love those ears!), and maybe the Andalusian for the Rainbow Mane and it's litter? Because look at that mane! And the items would still fit.

Actually, the poll is asking if you want the lines to be updated. Even if you don't agree with uniformity reason, if you want the lines to change for the art theft reason, your vote should be yes. I don't personally think the uniformity matters(besides the item reason). But I don't like art theft, so my answer is a firm yes.

The poll asks if we want the line-arts to by updated to the same one. That is what I don't want and the question I'm answering.

Stupid phone making quoting things difficult....

[KittyCatKita]

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Requoting this cause this is getting out of hands again. I think the last one is most important guys. If you have given your opinion, then stop arguing. I will start reporting this thread till it is closed if I have to. People are being rude and there is absolutely no reason for it..

[rheia]

Alright, I think some people need to sit back and look at the facts.
You are allowed an opinion, but please remember that your opinion is not right, nor is it wrong. Your opinion is no better than anyone else's, and I think a lot of people on this thread need to realize that. (Or perhaps they do and I'm just getting the wrong vibes. (:)

Now that I've said that, I'd like to state my opinion.
I'm completely for this change. This website has a huge community of artists and upholds strict rules on art theft, and I find it frankly disgusting that a staff member is allowed to break those rules without any repercussions. Equimagine committed art theft by tracing/heavily referencing photographs to get her linearts. Whether or not you consider photography an art, the fact of the matter is that it is an art and therefore referencing/tracing without permission from the photographer is a crime. Now, despite what a lot of people are saying, the website won't be shut down. However, a DMCA report could be filed, and if that happens, there's a high chance the Equimagine linearts will be taken down before we have the chance to replace them all. In that case, the upgrade won't happen, but we won't have the old linearts either.

Getting off the art theft issue, however, I simply can't wait to see the results of this change if it goes through. I was never a fan of Equimagine's lines. They always seemed pretty off and inconsistent to me. Not to mention how smudged/blurry the designs on her horses are. (Note: I'm not bashing her, she clearly put a lot of effort into the designs, I just don't like them.) ake the wave pony, for example. I don’t like it. I didn’t before, and I’m not a fan of the enhanced design because it just doesn’t appeal to me but, my god, it’s a huge improvement. Don’t get me wrong here, it’s an absolutely gorgeous design and I love how it’s been done, and I can’t wait to see more like it, it’s just not my thing.

And the new drafts are just gorgeous. The shading and highlighting on the example one had me grinning. They look so stern, but at the same time they’re gorgeously realistic and squishable. And the Easter draft in those lines? Adorable. I really hope this goes through because the drafts are honestly beautiful.

The way I read that, the lines are not stolen. Yes, they are just pixels, but I don't see how you can get upset over supposed "theft" of "just pixels" if you cannot also see the soul of a picture.

Equimagine has admitted to tracing.

[Calix]

Fuzzeh- Ah, I misunderstood you then, sorry. That's understandable.

Kitty- I'm not planning to leave, because all the mods seem to be telling us different things. Hekomi seemed to be fine with us debating so long as things didn't get out of hand, Ricorn seems to think we shouldn't be debating at all, and other mods seemed to have other opinions. So until we get a definite answer from Tess about the debating, I don't see a reason to stop.

[nickjr]

Going to throw this back into the thread

One of the artists who worked with horse/pony items (I believe it was Solloby) said that working with items was a pain because it was as if the lines were less than a pixel thick.

For those who don't know what that means:

The smallest brush size on most art programs (if not all) is 1 px. Which means that in order to draw lines (for any reason--to fix a mistake, to redraw, to draw new ones, etc), it will be very difficult to draw crisp and clear lines (because when you downsize something then it often becomes slightly blurrier since details would be lost a little bit). In addition , it would be harder to color--it would be too easy to miss a pixel and it would be too easy to color outside of the lines (since he lines wouldn't hide any color, if that makes sense)

On my phone sorry

[KittyCatKita]

Fuzzeh- Ah, I misunderstood you then, sorry. That's understandable.

Kitty- I'm not planning to leave, because all the mods seem to be telling us different things. Hekomi seemed to be fine with us debating so long as things didn't get out of hand, Ricorn seems to think we shouldn't be debating at all, and other mods seemed to have other opinions. So until we get a definite answer from Tess about the debating, I don't see a reason to stop.

That's fine, you don't have to leave lol just saying what the mods say. But I am serious, I will keep reporting it if people continue to be rude with one another over something like this, no matter what their reasoning. I dont think its the debate so much as the name calling, accusations and just overall being mean. Debating politely is different than what I have seen people doing on here over the last few days.

[Puddin_Pie]

The way I read that, the lines are not stolen. Yes, they are just pixels, but I don't see how you can get upset over supposed "theft" of "just pixels" if you cannot also see the soul of a picture.

Equimagine has admitted to tracing.

Where? because Tess's post does not say so, and I would like to read it.

[Taiger Lilly]

Fuzzeh- Ah, I misunderstood you then, sorry. That's understandable.

Kitty- I'm not planning to leave, because all the mods seem to be telling us different things. Hekomi seemed to be fine with us debating so long as things didn't get out of hand, Ricorn seems to think we shouldn't be debating at all, and other mods seemed to have other opinions. So until we get a definite answer from Tess about the debating, I don't see a reason to stop.

It is in the first post now so I'm sure tess agrees, if it's there she's not likely to say much more about it.
We were allowed to debate before, but all the points have been gone over ten times by now, and there are too many users being rude, so we were asked to stop.

[rheia]

She maintains that she never intended to use photo-copied linearts for CS and that it was a careless mistake.


She admitted it, but it was a careless mistake and we all know that. c: We'd just rather not use stolen artwork. (Besides, even if she denied it, two overlays match PERFECTLY and that's impossible to do coincidentally.)
No one's trying to hound Equi, because tracing is actually a very good way to improve, but we just don't think it's right to keep the lines since it breaks some of CS' art rules and it's kinda hypocritical. c:
Again, since people don't seem to get this, we don't hate Equimagine!