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Should we update the horses & ponies from 2009-2010 so they match the current lines?

YES!
1866
52%
NO!
1200
34%
Maybe (I don't mind either way)
432
12%
Unsure (I didn't understand exactly what will be changed)
68
2%
 
Total votes : 3566

Re: Equine Transformation Project - REMEMBER TO VOTE!

Postby Resin » Wed Mar 20, 2013 8:12 am

Space Ferrari wrote:
Is Equimagine cool with this?


I asked the same a while back and I believe the answer was that she signed over her artwork to CS so it's Tess's call.
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Re: Equine Transformation Project - REMEMBER TO VOTE!

Postby Calix » Wed Mar 20, 2013 8:12 am

Space Ferrari wrote:
Is Equimagine cool with this?


Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe when she gave the lines to tess to use, she no longer had control over what tess did with them. Besides, she was banned from the site, so I don't know if her opinion really 'counts' on this.
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Re: Equine Transformation Project - REMEMBER TO VOTE!

Postby hiatus. » Wed Mar 20, 2013 8:12 am

Hekomi wrote:
~TGenie- wrote:You said yourself the design has been 'revamped' so how can you also say it looks the same? That makes no sense. And why is it so starnge to think this would be a horrible move? I dont care if they have been traced or not, they still look cool and all of the so called proof of the tracing that I saw was fake and the person who posted it had edited her lines to make it fit the photo! It leaves a mystery to it all and I like it. You guys already have it posted EVERYWHERE that you will not toloerate art theft so I dont think anyone could miss that message. And I dont know who made the new versions of the design on the horses and ponies desplayed on the front page but if they are insulted then I am not going to lie- I dont care. They should keep the design original then they would not have to feel insulted because there would not be comments like mine<3

Yes, the pony design had some extra detail added in it to bring out the design Equi had in mind. How can you simply not care if they are traced or not? The proof is in the pudding, and if you don't think they're traced then you should really look again. While you may have to enlarge the lineart to fit on the overlay, when you draw lineart I usually draw it at least 2x the size it comes out as. When I work with CS pets I'm zoomed out 300%+. So yes, you do have to make them a bit larger to make it fit. The fact that they do fit almost perfectly in some cases is disconcerting and since we do not allow users to do that, why should we have lines which have been shown to be traced?

While we do have messages about it everywhere, by keeping the old lines around we're showing that it's fine. Tracing a photograph is fine, because a retired CS staff did it. That's not what I want the members to think. We uphold ourselves on our integrity and respect to artists and that includes photographers like myself.

I just want a better feel for some color changes/revamps.
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Re: Equine Transformation Project - REMEMBER TO VOTE!

Postby ~TGenie- » Wed Mar 20, 2013 8:13 am

dragonite wrote:if I was an artist here, I wouldn't want to be remembered for my designs. I would want to be remembered for the art, the new shape i had created. Some people are saying "its exactly the same just on a different horse" the words SAME and DIFFERENT create a paradox. It's not the same BECAUSE its on a different horse. Quite frankly if all the equimagine change, even the rare ones will be nothing but commons to me. And think about the people with hoards! They will have spent months maybe even a year trying to gather equimagine because they are different and they love their shape. They may have had to go though unfair trades an give rares for commons. And for what, to have the things they wanted so bad changed just as they were within their grasp!

My thoughts exactly, if you take away the specialness of the old lines then you have got nothing left.
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Re: Equine Transformation Project - REMEMBER TO VOTE!

Postby ahirked » Wed Mar 20, 2013 8:13 am

Resin wrote:
Space Ferrari wrote:
Is Equimagine cool with this?


I asked the same a while back and I believe the answer was that she signed over her artwork to CS so it's Tess's call.


Well that is agreeable. But I still like the uniqueness of them :D
Although I am kinda more yes to the switch but I do not know :thumbdown:
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Re: Equine Transformation Project - REMEMBER TO VOTE!

Postby tiny » Wed Mar 20, 2013 8:14 am

Atromoko wrote:the same but improved? thats like saying "oh yes, the design is the same but theres a big red line across the middle" it makes no sense


the same but improved is exactly what i meant.
look at the comparisons between the old and new - especially the wave pony. The design is exactly the same, but extra detail has been brought out to enhance equi's ideas.

Nothing's being added to the composition, so I don't know what you mean by 'big red line'?
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Re: Equine Transformation Project - REMEMBER TO VOTE!

Postby Calix » Wed Mar 20, 2013 8:14 am

~TGenie- wrote:
dragonite wrote:if I was an artist here, I wouldn't want to be remembered for my designs. I would want to be remembered for the art, the new shape i had created. Some people are saying "its exactly the same just on a different horse" the words SAME and DIFFERENT create a paradox. It's not the same BECAUSE its on a different horse. Quite frankly if all the equimagine change, even the rare ones will be nothing but commons to me. And think about the people with hoards! They will have spent months maybe even a year trying to gather equimagine because they are different and they love their shape. They may have had to go though unfair trades an give rares for commons. And for what, to have the things they wanted so bad changed just as they were within their grasp!

My thoughts exactly, if you take away the specialness of the old lines then you have got nothing left.


I don't know about you, but being remembered for art theft is the opposite of what I'd want. /:
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Re: Equine Transformation Project - REMEMBER TO VOTE!

Postby .Amber. » Wed Mar 20, 2013 8:14 am

RavenclawHobbit wrote:
~TGenie- wrote:You see 'improved' I see ruined.


You may think they're "ruined", but 65% of Chicken Smoothie seems to think otherwise. It's a matter of personal preference, and I would think you'd want CS to make the choice that would make the majority of its users happy.

Myself, I'm immensely grateful that Tess allowed us to take a vote at all. I was on PowerPets.com back when they changed half their pet designs without any input from users at all, and I hated it!


i see in your signature the pony that has been changed, the new lines dont allow the mane to be given that water effect, its not the same, the effects are not the same,
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Re: Equine Transformation Project - REMEMBER TO VOTE!

Postby ship » Wed Mar 20, 2013 8:14 am

    I don't particularly agree with this move. I think we should keep the original lines, it will make them more special, I also don't really like the new horse lines. I seriously hope you guys wont do this, people like me will be very disappointed in CS.
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Re: Equine Transformation Project - REMEMBER TO VOTE!

Postby ahirked » Wed Mar 20, 2013 8:15 am

~TGenie- wrote:
dragonite wrote:if I was an artist here, I wouldn't want to be remembered for my designs. I would want to be remembered for the art, the new shape i had created. Some people are saying "its exactly the same just on a different horse" the words SAME and DIFFERENT create a paradox. It's not the same BECAUSE its on a different horse. Quite frankly if all the equimagine change, even the rare ones will be nothing but commons to me. And think about the people with hoards! They will have spent months maybe even a year trying to gather equimagine because they are different and they love their shape. They may have had to go though unfair trades an give rares for commons. And for what, to have the things they wanted so bad changed just as they were within their grasp!

My thoughts exactly, if you take away the specialness of the old lines then you have got nothing left.


Maybe they could leave at least a couple of old designs?
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