Equine Transformation Project - VOTING CLOSED

[Draikinator]

This topic is specifically for discussing whether or not . Attacking each other over the morals of tracing does not belong here, nor does the discussion of any lines other than equimagine's.

I agree Coal. This is a topic about CHANGING the lines, not if they were traced. Go make a thread about that to your hearts desire.

...Wouldn't a thread saying "Wahh Equi's lines were traced!" Be against the rules as user bashing?

Please explain to me how the fact that CS is currently using Equimagine's stolen work is irrelevant to the discussion of whether or not the lines should be replaced.

[van]

Please explain to me how the fact that CS is currently using Equimagine's stolen work is irrelevant to the discussion of whether or not the lines should be replaced.

this. we're kind of getting a mixed message from the mods here.
hekomi [i do believe it was her, correct me if i'm wrong, the search function not working just makes it a head ache to clarify who said what] said yesterday that it is completely relevant to the discussion as long as we're not fighting about it. but some other mods consider it spam and immediately delete posts mentioning it - so which is it?

[Hekomi]

Please explain to me how the fact that CS is currently using Equimagine's stolen work is irrelevant to the discussion of whether or not the lines should be replaced.

this. we're kind of getting a mixed message from the mods here.
hekomi [i do believe it was her, correct me if i'm wrong, the search function not working just makes it a head ache to clarify who said what] said yesterday that it is completely relevant to the discussion as long as we're not fighting about it. but some other mods consider it spam and immediately delete posts mentioning it - so which is it?

Yes, I did mention that. Only posts that are completely irrelevant like the ones above about different artists are deleted. Posts which are inflammatory, causing fights, etc. will also be deleted but we're not removing posts about the credibility of Equi's lines unless they start a huge argument.

[Coalchaser]

This topic is specifically for discussing whether or not . Attacking each other over the morals of tracing does not belong here, nor does the discussion of any lines other than equimagine's.

I agree Coal. This is a topic about CHANGING the lines, not if they were traced. Go make a thread about that to your hearts desire.

...Wouldn't a thread saying "Wahh Equi's lines were traced!" Be against the rules as user bashing?

Please explain to me how the fact that CS is currently using Equimagine's stolen work is irrelevant to the discussion of whether or not the lines should be replaced.

Yes, please don't make a thread devoted to that.

The tracing issue is not irrelevant, and we have been letting it be discussed over and over in this topic. It's fine to explain that you are against the change because you see the tracing as no big deal, or that you believe the change must happen because tracing goes against your morals. These are opinions, and this topic is for your opinions. However, overly aggressive debating is unnecessary and will be removed. If someone cannot word their posts respectfully, then they should refrain from posting in this topic. Furthermore, this thread is only for equi's lines, so getting into large discussions over art theft as a whole or over other cases of art theft are off-topic and distract from the main point of this thread. The only posts I have removed today have been ones that were either aggressive or relating to Shima.

EDIT: Ninja'd by Hekomi

[Calix]

Please explain to me how the fact that CS is currently using Equimagine's stolen work is irrelevant to the discussion of whether or not the lines should be replaced.

this. we're kind of getting a mixed message from the mods here.
hekomi [i do believe it was her, correct me if i'm wrong, the search function not working just makes it a head ache to clarify who said what] said yesterday that it is completely relevant to the discussion as long as we're not fighting about it. but some other mods consider it spam and immediately delete posts mentioning it - so which is it?

Yes, I did mention that. Only posts that are completely irrelevant like the ones above about different artists are deleted. Posts which are inflammatory, causing fights, etc. will also be deleted but we're not removing posts about the credibility of Equi's lines unless they start a huge argument.

I'm sorry if this comes across as rude..but I don't understand that last part. Why does the size of the argument dictate if it stays or not? Just because there are a lot of posts/a lot of people contributing to an argument doesn't necessarily mean it's any less civil than a small argument?

Unless by huge argument you just meant a huge and uncivil argument. If that was the case, sorry :B

[van]

Yes, I did mention that. Only posts that are completely irrelevant like the ones above about different artists are deleted. Posts which are inflammatory, causing fights, etc. will also be deleted but we're not removing posts about the credibility of Equi's lines unless they start a huge argument.

ah. i figured as much, but i had previously talked to a mod and was told that the topic in general was considered spam and posts mentioning it were deleted to 'keep the peace', even if they weren't provoking any fights, attacking equimagine, mentioning anything other than the topic, etc.

but anyway, back on topic. but let's just say that this does end in favor of the change, about how long would it take to be put into action? would all the horses be changed at once when they're done, or would they be changed as the artists progress in completing them? just curious.

[Hekomi]

There's a huge difference between debating something and arguing. There have been a lot of really rude posts here from people who support both sides of the ETP. Calling names, bullying, etc. isn't allowed. It's fine to discuss and have opposing views but you shouldn't be bashing each other with them.

[avaloafe]

If more serious arguing keeps coming along, I think you guys should lock it and only use it for polling features only...

[Calix]

Ah alright. I tend to think of debate and argue as synonyms which is why I was confused, but I can definitely see how argue can be interpreted as more hostile. Thanks for explaining.

[rheia]

Yes, I did mention that. Only posts that are completely irrelevant like the ones above about different artists are deleted. Posts which are inflammatory, causing fights, etc. will also be deleted but we're not removing posts about the credibility of Equi's lines unless they start a huge argument.


I'd just like to say that this post isn't to start a fight, and it isn't intended to be rude. c:

Frankly, I'm 100% for this change. I don't like equi's lines, and I never have. Yulynh's lines are far more realistic, and because they're not traced, all the lines are consistent and their style actually looks good. Now, if equi's lines weren't traced, I could understand all the fuss, but, they are, and keeping them would be a violation of copyright laws - not to mention that CS would be breaking its own rules.



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See those rules? Equi's lines break all of them. And, for a site that "comes down hard" on art theft, it's hardly fair to treat staff any better than users for the sake of a lineart.

Now, tracing aside, I just don't like the lines. They're inconsistent and they've attempted to be stylized by an artist who clearly had little to no grasp on the anatomy and you need to know the rules to be able to bend them when it comes to art.

As a small note: You have my apologies if this seems rude. It wasn't intended to be.