Equine Transformation Project - VOTING CLOSED

[akebai]

Right. All that was overlaid was the Rump of the horse.

I have no idea if copying a Rump is art theft, but OK, so I if used the same Words as someone else's story, then I'm accused of art theft as well? o3o

If there in the same order, and the sentence/paragraph is reasonably unique? Yes, that is theft. And it's against the law, even if you don't consider it to be theft - because when you copyright something you're copyrighting the idea, not the words.

@Simiaelian and Calix - exactly! You took the words right out of my mouth and explained far better then I could ^_^

Also, it's getting late here and I have several hours at uni tomorrow. I'll check back here tomorrow ^^ Goodnight, and I hope the best decision is made for the site.

[small town.]

Then why not just change the foal, the draft, and the unicorns? We already have a new draft, they were talking about making new unicorns, and as much as I hate the new foals, we could use them. Equi cannot rightfully be accused of TRACING the adult horse lineart.

[HorseFan21♞]

Guys, chill - it's when the lines match up to past a certain degree that it's art theft - for example, the appaloosa foal. All of it's lines matched up, perfectly, therefore it is extremely probable (especially since she admitted it, and it's on the front page of the thread) that it was traced. I am certain that you could find other pictures of other foals lying down, and they would not line up perfectly, and it would not be considered art theft. Obviously you can't copyright a pose, but that doesn't mean you can't copyright a photo of a horse in a specific pose - there'd be no need for copyright, then - and I'm sure people are proud of those photos, or else they wouldn't have posted them on the internet for other people to see (and given how many of them belong to breeders and so on, the chances of them being copyrighted are pretty high)

I am chilling. The others are dead ringers, I have nothing to say.

The ones I am willing to argue or even fight about is the rainbow mane one. -3- I can see nothing similar. Not even the breed. It was just a Rump for Horse's sake. -3-

Then why not just change the foal, the draft, and the unicorns? We already have a new draft, they were talking about making new unicorns, and as much as I hate the new foals, we could use them. Equi cannot rightfully be accused of TRACING the adult horse lineart.

Exactly.

[Nira Katsumi]

But still my question. Are the ponies "traced" too? I dont see them on comparision...

[NilaGrubb]

*Removing my spiel about photography as art... Sorry got sucked into debate*

My stance is and will always be pro the change. Not only from the 'art theft' angle, (although that does weigh in on my choice), but for site continuity, ease of use, and quality of design.

I have to say, that for a website that claims to really bring the hammer down on "art theft", it kind of disappoints me that the linearts weren't just changed without asking the community's opinion. Like ripping off a bandaid, it'll hurt... but it's gotta be done. But I guess since the 'theft' thing isn't the main standpoint on the change, I can understand wanting to ease the community into it. The discussion is breeding a lot of malcontent between users though... I'd like to see comments locked. Everyone is just rehashing the same concerns at this point.

[rocketmaids]

Then why not just change the foal, the draft, and the unicorns? We already have a new draft, they were talking about making new unicorns, and as much as I hate the new foals, we could use them. Equi cannot rightfully be accused of TRACING the adult horse lineart.

I don't see the point of just changing the foal (+ drafts and unicorns?) It'll look odd and possibly tacky with a new foal lineart and an old adult horse lineart - must as well and change the whole thing or none at all.

If you took a photo of something more unique than a horse, then sure it shouldn't be copied. But really? Horse poses? Not a big deal in my world.

I can agree that the owners should have been asked before she decided to release the linearts, sure, that's just good manners. But I just can't see it as art theft.

Yep, not a big deal to you but it's possible for them. People who does photography as their career may only take photos of animals for money and that's incredibly ignorant and pretty insulting that their work can be traced by people whenever they feel pleased.

[Calix]

Minimanta- That's similar to saying, 'Oh, I didn't plagiarize your book, there are TONS of books about wolves/school/whathaveyou.' Just because there's a lot of the same sort of thing doesn't mean it's theft-proof. If it matches up, it's theft. Also, good luck getting a crystal clear photo of a horse in less than a minute. Get back to me when you're done.

In case any of you were having doubts, here's an overlay where I rotated individual parts like the legs, head, and back. If you're wondering why I did that, it's a thing tracers do to hide their theft.

[Lufi]

If will old linearts changes into new... what about Zebras? Will changes too or no?


I really not think that change these into new lineart will good for zebras...

[asexual]

I believe it was said somewhere that the topic of whether or not photography is art does not belong here?

I really hope this change goes over, it'd make CS feel so much cleaner.
I really want to see the rainbow maned in the new lines c:

[alliegator]

Also, even if you don't personally consider photos to be art, that doesn't mean they aren't copywrited and owned by someone. Let me put it this way: if someone doesn't consider, say, a story or a song to be an art form, is it okay for them to steal it and claim it's theirs? If the answer is still yes to you, you may need to reevaluate how you see art in general, or at the very least, learn to respect artists of all forms.[/center]

But the difference between a photo of a horse and a book or a song is the book and song ARE unique, the photo of a horse in a common pose is not unique.

If you took a photo of something more unique than a horse, then sure it shouldn't be copied. But really? Horse poses? Not a big deal in my world.

I can agree that the owners should have been asked before she decided to release the linearts, sure, that's just good manners. But I just can't see it as art theft.

Listen to this song then this song. These two songs are so similar and one has clearly sampled the other, and it was cause for debates and uproar in the music community. It was something that was not okay, and it's similar to how you view photos. There's only so many chords and notes and arrangements of those chords and notes, so obviously common progressions are not unique and should not be considered a big deal if someone directly samples from another song, right? Wrong. It's illegal. Just because you personally do not think it's a big deal, does not mean it isn't. You are not the center of the universe, the master of all things, so you don't get to decide on things like that, no one does.

Think about how your views hurt artists in an already tough line of business, and get your act together otherwise I can assure you, you are going to head down a path that will have a lot of angry artists yelling at you, in a much less calm manner than I am now.

I know it takes time to learn photography and to get a great photo. But taking these kinds of photos takes less than a minute.
Seriously I know a photographer, a photo of a horse like this would be a piece of cake for him to take. It's nothing unique, I just can't see it as art.

Knowing one person does not equal knowing everything about a medium. I know an animator who can bust out a storyboard for a two minute short in about three hours. That doesn't mean that everyone who is an animator can do that. I also know a photographer who takes less than unique photos for weddings, they are still art. Commercial, but still art. Good god, think harder about what you are saying.

I believe it was said somewhere that the topic of whether or not photography is art does not belong here?

I really hope this change goes over, it'd make CS feel so much cleaner.
I really want to see the rainbow maned in the new lines c:

If this is true, I apologize, but I couldn't, as an artist who knows other artists, knowingly let such a horrible line of ignorance go without correction.