Equine Transformation Project - VOTING CLOSED

[ratonhnhaké:ton]

Some users say that her lines were traced from photos. equimagine has a longer explanation for how they came about, which in a few words is basically that she referenced for personal use, forgot about it when re-using old personal sketches for CS purposes, and that some connections other users made between photos and her lines were coincidental. Some of her lines closely resemble photographs that she didn't have personal permission to use, which upset many users, and was part of the motivation for retiring her lines in the first place. She maintains that she never intended to use photo-copied linearts for CS and that it was a careless mistake. She did update the lines for a second round but people still mistrusted her and her horses and ponies were not very popular at the time (although apparently have more support these days).

Using a picture as a reference isn't tracing, so no lines were stolen.
Therefore rendering the "remove equimagine's lines because it's art theft" excuse useless.

[Draikinator]

Even if the old lines were traced, I personally still like them better. I don't know if its just me or if anyone else shares this opinion. It isn't right to steal art at all, but why not just instead of replacing the old lines, give credit to the artist who originally had the lines and then just say equimagine did the designs?

And now as I'm trying to post this I see Tess's post, so it wasn't really equimagine's fault anyway (at least it wasn't on purpose), it was an accident.

C'mon guys, everyone makes mistakes. We're all human. c:

Because that's absolutely not how it works. You can't just CREDIT art, you NEED to get PERMISSION. If they don't want you to use their work, you can't just credit them and take it anyway.

[Time and Tea]

One thing I love is how the old horses are different from the new horses. I don't like the new lineart as much as the old lineart (I mean no disrespect, I still like it) and changing the horses I love into the new lineart would be a bit disappointing to me.

On another note I love the new draft lineart.

[nickjr]

Some users say that her lines were traced from photos. equimagine has a longer explanation for how they came about, which in a few words is basically that she referenced for personal use, forgot about it when re-using old personal sketches for CS purposes, and that some connections other users made between photos and her lines were coincidental. Some of her lines closely resemble photographs that she didn't have personal permission to use, which upset many users, and was part of the motivation for retiring her lines in the first place. She maintains that she never intended to use photo-copied linearts for CS and that it was a careless mistake. She did update the lines for a second round but people still mistrusted her and her horses and ponies were not very popular at the time (although apparently have more support these days).

And I'm an 08 user and never heard anyone breathe a single letter about this until now O____O -runs to hide under a rock-

Well, it was an honest mistake (different from an intentional one), so I don't think equimagine should be completely put down (like others are implying with their tone), but it's still a bad mistake, and now that I know about it, I have gone back to being split 50-50 on this (I went from 50-50 to 20-80 [in favor of NO] and now I'm back at 50-50 :C //not much help)

good grief this is a fast thread @__@

[miraphoenix]

I'm against this, but I'm just letting those of you who say that it's unfair to equimagine and asking how she feels, equinagine's account was deleted, so she probably doesn't know ( or maybe even care ) about this. The lines weren't even her art anyway.

But even though technically the old lines were art theft, I think that we should keep them. What if someone decided that the Mona Lisa should be different, then painted a frown on her face and painted her hair blonde because now-a-days people think that 'blonde girl are prettier than brunettes?' It's not exactly like that, but those horses are part of Chicken Smoothie's history, and we can't just redo history and act like it was always like it is now, because it wasn't. Those lines show CS's past, even if they are a bit... distasteful... to some users, we can't just pretend it never happened because we're a bit embarrassed or something. I'm sorry, but this is just my opinion, and I can get passionate in a debate, especially when it's about something as big as this.

Wonderfully said.

Agreed <3

After consideration, I do think this is a good way to look at this problem. I recognize that the idea of art theft is distasteful, and that it isn't the honest thing to do, but this is part of the history of CS, and history shouldn't be repressed. Perhaps a poll could be taken on designs to keep unchanged?

[Nella-Rasa]

I have never cared for the horses on CS, there just isn't much to do with them. They are, for the most part, valued less then the dogs/wolves. There also isn't much you can do in the way of dressing them up, not many of the items fit the horses.

However, I very much like the idea of updating the older pets to the newer lineart. In more ways then one.
Yes, from what I can see from overlays, the older lines were traced. That is reason enough. (I can make you overlays if you need to see)
You do not want CS though with the like of art thieves and tracers. That is bad publicity. (See CS's ED page)
Also, there is the items for horses. It is just easier to have one set of linearts in which to create items for 2 sets of lines.

[kishinuma]

I'm against this, but I'm just letting those of you who say that it's unfair to equimagine and asking how she feels, equinagine's account was deleted, so she probably doesn't know ( or maybe even care ) about this. The lines weren't even her art anyway.

But even though technically the old lines were art theft, I think that we should keep them. What if someone decided that the Mona Lisa should be different, then painted a frown on her face and painted her hair blonde because now-a-days people think that 'blonde girl are prettier than brunettes?' It's not exactly like that, but those horses are part of Chicken Smoothie's history, and we can't just redo history and act like it was always like it is now, because it wasn't. Those lines show CS's past, even if they are a bit... distasteful... to some users, we can't just pretend it never happened because we're a bit embarrassed or something. I'm sorry, but this is just my opinion, and I can get passionate in a debate, especially when it's about something as big as this.

Even if the old lines were traced, I personally still like them better. I don't know if its just me or if anyone else shares this opinion. It isn't right to steal art at all, but why not just instead of replacing the old lines, give credit to the artist who originally had the lines and then just say equimagine did the designs?

And now as I'm trying to post this I see Tess's post, so it wasn't really equimagine's fault anyway (at least it wasn't on purpose), it was an accident.

C'mon guys, everyone makes mistakes. We're all human. c:

I completely agree with both of these. I mean, yeah as Electric said we are all human, and we make mistakes. I love Equi's art more, and personally the new ones seem more like they are cartoony.

[Solidagold]

Perfectly said. Though it will happen whether we want it or not, I'm sure Tess will go on with it because it's her site and if she wants to do it then she'll change them

I'm against this, but I'm just letting those of you who say that it's unfair to equimagine and asking how she feels, equinagine's account was deleted, so she probably doesn't know ( or maybe even care ) about this. The lines weren't even her art anyway.

But even though technically the old lines were art theft, I think that we should keep them. What if someone decided that the Mona Lisa should be different, then painted a frown on her face and painted her hair blonde because now-a-days people think that 'blonde girl are prettier than brunettes?' It's not exactly like that, but those horses are part of Chicken Smoothie's history, and we can't just redo history and act like it was always like it is now, because it wasn't. Those lines show CS's past, even if they are a bit... distasteful... to some users, we can't just pretend it never happened because we're a bit embarrassed or something. I'm sorry, but this is just my opinion, and I can get passionate in a debate, especially when it's about something as big as this.

[sirène]

I think it is quite a good change, the new Draft lines are really epic too! I ike the new lines alot better then the others, time for out with old in with the new.

[small town.]

I'm against this, but I'm just letting those of you who say that it's unfair to equimagine and asking how she feels, equinagine's account was deleted, so she probably doesn't know ( or maybe even care ) about this. The lines weren't even her art anyway.

But even though technically the old lines were art theft, I think that we should keep them. What if someone decided that the Mona Lisa should be different, then painted a frown on her face and painted her hair blonde because now-a-days people think that 'blonde girl are prettier than brunettes?' It's not exactly like that, but those horses are part of Chicken Smoothie's history, and we can't just redo history and act like it was always like it is now, because it wasn't. Those lines show CS's past, even if they are a bit... distasteful... to some users, we can't just pretend it never happened because we're a bit embarrassed or something. I'm sorry, but this is just my opinion, and I can get passionate in a debate, especially when it's about something as big as this.

It's not even remotely like that.
1. The Mona Lisa was not stolen.
2. The Mona Lisa was not part of a system that has different working pieces that don't currently work together.
3. Equimagine's traced horse lines are not exactly equatable to one of the greatest masterpieces of known history.
4. This is not purely a change to make them look better, it's to make them fit in better with the system.
5. Taking down art theft is not covering it up, it's not condoning it.

not even similar enough to make a proper allegory

Actually, it sounded pretty clear to me. Maybe you would get it if you took the chance to view from both sides instead of constantly bashing one. Tess just said Equi's 'theft' was an accident, when really, she didn't trace, she used it as a reference. I'll bet 50% of artists on this website use references, but we don't tell them that their art has to be deleted or retired.